Hypnosis and evolution

[Lillen]

To ponder further... If hypnosis is used by proffesionals, i believe it cannot be used to commit crimes, as long as you follow the overseers instructions, otherwise hypnosis would be made illegal... But it can be used to make an jackass out of yourself, such buying clothes and wearing them or walking throuhg the streets with a teat in your mouth huging a doll. Moreover it can be used to trick the memory, making you forget about things you done in the past, and recalling things you haven't done (like in Thomas Quicks case)...

 

[Upisoft]

Sure, dealing with the imperfections of humans is annoying, but that's the audience we're stuck with, unless you have plans to communicate with some other species. Any word choice can be misunderstood, and most language has some element of analogy to it, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't avoid the most misleading language. I've written and spoken about natural selection quite a bit, and I don't think I've ever used the word "purpose" to describe a trait. It just doesn't strike me as conveying anything useful about selection.

It does not have to describe only the physical thing, it also may describe the perceptive mind image of it. If you see a skull and then you create something that does similar function, say car body or safe or egg protector, then you have get the logic behind existence of the thing. It doesn't matter if something was created by intellect or by natural process if there is an intellect that can recognize the logic behind its existence.

 

[Upisoft]

To ponder further... If hypnosis is used by proffesionals, i believe it cannot be used to commit crimes, as long as you follow the overseers instructions, otherwise hypnosis would be made illegal... But it can be used to make an jackass out of yourself, such buying clothes and wearing them or walking throuhg the streets with a teat in your mouth huging a doll. Moreover it can be used to trick the memory, making you forget about things you done in the past, and recalling things you haven't done (like in Thomas Quicks case)...

I tend to agree.. There are so many people hypnotizing themselves...

 

[Lillen]

The thing in my case was that a so called freind used that tape to induce hypnosis in me but he made himself overseer instead of the proffesional (Unestål). Giving the suggestion i can do as i am told when i am told to do things...


... We shouldn't be led by outside suggestions...

The reason why i draw the conclusion that you are lead by outside forces when you are hypnotized (I would call it demons) is because i could locate Christiania without ever being there before, without looking at a map, without asking a person... It was like cheating in hide and seek as young, I found the place without any guidence making my life become totally ruined... I draw the conclusion that the outside forces knew were the place was...

Another experience i have with hypnosis is my sleeping problems... My grandfather wanted to impress my relativies and hypnotized me... He wanted to controll me to be less messy in in school and even though I stopped fighting others in school my sleeping problems is linked to this! - My grandfather suggested that i should go to sleep when I am tierd causing me to oversleep basically everyday for fifteen years, as I go to bed everytime i wake up because i am tired when I wake up!!!

To add (I add in the previous post to save space in this conversation)... One who practice hypnosis need to be aware how the client thinks, and it is practically impossible to know the perceptions and cognitive schedueles the clinet has... For instance it can be suggested that a person should stop using drugs, but if the subject believe that the prescribed medication he take also falls within the category of drugs, he might stop using prescribed pills he get from the proffessional. Also i read in a book that took an example were a cancer was discovered with a patient to late because he had hypnotized away the ache he had because of this tumour...

And to clarify to everyone, Hypnosis do not give you superpowers!!!

 

[Naraoia]

It is quite annoying to change the language to fit the ideas of "random posters" and take the punishment for their lack of knowledge. After some time we will be unable to express our position, because all the words will be taken for their usage.

Seeing as my mission here (besides entertaining myself) is to educate, it's a pretty important issue to me.

To add... hypnosis do not give person superpowers...

Who said it did?

 

[Lillen]

The adds for sorcery and witchcraft is in movies, the reason why some children wants to become wiccans or sorcerers is because they are fully convinced that it will give you superpowers... the same goes with hypnosis (that i beliéve is an occult tool). The reason why many use hypnosis and let themselves be hypnotised, is because they believe they will accoplish things they otherwise couldn't...

 

[selfinflikted]

The adds for sorcery and witchcraft is in movies, the reason why some children wants to become wiccans or sorcerers is because they are fully convinced that it will give you superpowers... the same goes with hypnosis (that i beliéve is an occult tool). The reason why many use hypnosis and let themselves be hypnotised, is because they believe they will accoplish things they otherwise couldn't...

Meh. I think that if one's goals are accomplished even with the "help" of hypnosis, then that's ok. Even if it's only a placebo effect, if someone -say for instance, wants to quit smoking, and they cannot do it on their "own"- can do what they're trying to do through hypnosis, then I say go for it.

 

[Naraoia]

The adds for sorcery and witchcraft is in movies, the reason why some children wants to become wiccans or sorcerers is because they are fully convinced that it will give you superpowers... the same goes with hypnosis (that i beliéve is an occult tool). The reason why many use hypnosis and let themselves be hypnotised, is because they believe they will accoplish things they otherwise couldn't...

Chill out, man. Children generally dream about silly things. They usually grow out of it. Reading you, sometimes it seems you view everything in the world as a deadly threat.

 

[Maxwell511]

Hi all,

I was interested in the phenomenon of hypnosis. I was googling around and I have found that it is globally accepted that the phenomenon exists. Then I thought about what could be the benefit that we have this ability to switch to a state of increased suggestibility. How on Earth we could have evolved this ability?

One answer could be this is a leftover interface that helped our creator to "debug" us. Anyway this will not help Christians and most theists, as they have to give up on free will and omnipotence of the Creator.

So, my question is if there is any naturalistic explanation to this phenomenon?

Because suggestibility has an evolutionary advantage. I can give you theoretical examples of how believing or doing what your told is better for survival, of the population, than not being an "independent thinker". But I am lazy and hope that this must be almost a self-evident truth for you.

 

[Naraoia]

Because suggestibility has an evolutionary advantage. I can give you theoretical examples of how believing or doing what your told is better for survival, of the population, than not being an "independent thinker". But I am lazy and hope that this must be almost a self-evident truth for you.

Well, that depends. If someone was an independent thinker and figured out the right thing to do in the situation, yes, it's a huge advantage for you to listen to them. On the other hand, if everyone is a listener...

 

[Upisoft]

Because suggestibility has an evolutionary advantage. I can give you theoretical examples of how believing or doing what your told is better for survival, of the population, than not being an "independent thinker". But I am lazy and hope that this must be almost a self-evident truth for you.

You mean like Hitler ans Stalin? Yeah, it is obvious that it is better for your survival to do whatever you were told to do.

 

[Hespera]

You mean like Hitler ans Stalin? Yeah, it is obvious that it is better for your survival to do whatever you were told to do.

ding ding ding! Godwins law!

 

[Upisoft]

ding ding ding! Godwins law!

Yeah, you have to obey the law

 

[Hespera]

Yeah, you have to obey the law

especially that one.

 

[Upisoft]

especially that one.

Yes, Poe is by choice.. This one necessarily happens, there is no need to avoid it.

 

[Maxwell511]

Well, that depends. If someone was an independent thinker and figured out the right thing to do in the situation, yes, it's a huge advantage for you to listen to them. On the other hand, if everyone is a listener...

We are terrible at philosophy, it does not suit the way we think.

The scientific method, however, suits our individual stubbornness and herdish behaviour.

 

[Maxwell511]

You mean like Hitler ans Stalin? Yeah, it is obvious that it is better for your survival to do whatever you were told to do.

In an authoritarian regime I would be one of the first on the chopping block.

 

[Upisoft]

In an authoritarian regime I would be one of the first on the chopping block.

Would you even know it is authoritarian regime if you have faith in your leader?

 

[Maxwell511]

Would you even know it is authoritarian regime if you have faith in your leader?

No free man needs a leader. The idea of a leader is against every bone in my body.

 

[Upisoft]

No free man needs a leader. The idea of a leader is against every bone in my body.

Therefore you are example against the hypnosis benefits via following the leader thing...