Hypnosis and evolution

[Hespera]

I tend to disagree. I think if there is an intellect that recognizes the function of something, "to protect the brain from damage" in this case, then that intellect is justified to call that function "purpose".

Or that the creator has put an external telomere indicator for observation purpose...

The skull has a lot more function than just protection of the brain.

There may well be a creator. If there is, he decided to develop the human skull over a period of some hundreds of millions of years and assemble it with components from the skin, gill arches, and a cartilaginous support structure for the notochord.

 

[Upisoft]

The skull has a lot more function than just protection of the brain.

There may well be a creator. If there is, he decided to develop the human skull over a period of some hundreds of millions of years and assemble it with components from the skin, gill arches, and a cartilaginous support structure for the notochord.

And maybe we were only tweaked after long period of evolution. Who really knows?

 

[Hespera]

And maybe we were only tweaked after long period of evolution. Who really knows?

Tough to "know" or to "prove".

to my way of thinking, a god that can set up a universe wont need to meddle and tweak to keep it going, like it was a British sports car.

On a more materialistic level, there is no specific evidence anywhere of a tweak or any sort of intervention in the course of evolution.

And back to the speculative side, i'd sure wish if "he" was gonna tweak, he'd done a bunch of design details better!

 

[Upisoft]

Tough to "know" or to "prove".

Actually it is quite easy to know. The problem is to prove the thing you know is true.

to my way of thinking, a god that can set up a universe wont need to meddle and tweak to keep it going, like it was a British sports car.

I've said nothing about god setting up an universe. The worst speculation was "creator" without giving him omnipotence or anything like this.

On a more materialistic level, there is no specific evidence anywhere of a tweak or any sort of intervention in the course of evolution.

Well, if you're looking for "Made in China" sign on your DNA, you will be out of luck, I agree...

And back to the speculative side, i'd sure wish if "he" was gonna tweak, he'd done a bunch of design details better!

Well, he could follow the Russian saying - "Работает? Не трогай!" i.e. "If it works don't touch it."

 

[Hespera]

Actually it is quite easy to know. The problem is to prove the thing you know is true.


I've said nothing about god setting up an universe. The worst speculation was "creator" without giving him omnipotence or anything like this.


Well, if you're looking for "Made in China" sign on your DNA, you will be out of luck, I agree...


Well, he could follow the Russian saying - "Работает? Не трогай!" i.e. "If it works don't touch it."

Well, if you're looking for "Made in China" sign on your DNA, you will be out of luck, I agree..

Guess i will have to go check the birth certificate.

 

[Naraoia]

I tend to disagree. I think if there is an intellect that recognizes the function of something, "to protect the brain from damage" in this case, then that intellect is justified to call that function "purpose".

In a way, yes. However, I increasingly think that that kind of language is dangerous. If we talk about the "purpose" (or even "function") of things shaped by evolution, it's too easy to imagine evolution itself as having plans and goals, which is simply wrong. When you see Random Poster #569335 ask "how did those fish knew they were evolving legs?" for the thousandth time, you can't help but wonder if there's a communication problem.

Or that the creator has put an external telomere indicator for observation purpose...

I guess that's possible

 

[Upisoft]

In a way, yes. However, I increasingly think that that kind of language is dangerous. If we talk about the "purpose" (or even "function") of things shaped by evolution, it's too easy to imagine evolution itself as having plans and goals, which is simply wrong. When you see Random Poster #569335 ask "how did those fish knew they were evolving legs?" for the thousandth time, you can't help but wonder if there's a communication problem.

It is quite annoying to change the language to fit the ideas of "random posters" and take the punishment for their lack of knowledge. After some time we will be unable to express our position, because all the words will be taken for their usage.

 

[Ar Cosc]

It is quite annoying to change the language to fit the ideas of "random posters" and take the punishment for their lack of knowledge. After some time we will be unable to express our position, because all the words will be taken for their usage.

That's rubbish. Everyone knows language doesn't evolve. It was intelligently designed at the tower of Babel.

 

[Upisoft]

That's rubbish. Everyone knows language doesn't evolve. It was intelligently designed at the tower of Babel.

Did you mean "intelligently scrambled"?

 

[Lillen]

I believe that hypnosis is an occult tool. We shouldnt be lead by outside forces except the Holy Spirit.

And trance is pure demonic... trance can be induced on hypnosis... Medications that are under the group hypnoticum (or hypnoitica) is set forth in such manners that the forces leading the patient are not allowed to do a crime through suggestions from the hypnotician. But if the hypnotician is an amature crimes can occur.

 

[Hespera]

I believe that hypnosis is an occult tool. We shouldnt be lead by outside forces except the Holy Spirit.

You believe it is a 'tool" of something that cannot be demonstrated to exist?

Why would you believe in things like that?

Superstition is a credulous belief or notion, not based on reason, knowledge, or experience.

does this apply here? if not, why not?

 

[Lillen]

To add... hypnosis do not give person superpowers, so don't be tricked to believe that you can accomplish things you otherwise couldn't on hypnosis...

 

[Lillen]

What i am sure of Hespera is that we shouldnt be lead by outside forces!!

 

[Hespera]

What i am sure of Hespera is that we shouldnt be lead by outside forces!!

"Outside forces" would then include your "god' should it exist.

If you dont have any way to distinguish your belief about the "occult' from superstition, thats fine, i didnt think you did.

Its something for you to ponder, if you will.

 

[Lillen]

Except the holy spirit...

To look at the experience i have with hypnosis, is that my freind used a tape sold and used commerical to induce hypnosis on workers and students to preform better. This freind of mine (Marcus) left me in the hypnosis and i was lead by suggestions to smuggle one Kilo Hashish from Copenhagen and i was left on institutions for commiting a crime that the authorties ruled i shouldn't be responsible for... To clarify, i hatched the idea in the HO that i should make some money on drugs, Lead by one suggestion and one command to smuggle from the freetown in denmark called christiania...

 

[Upisoft]

Except the holy spirit...

To look at the experience i have with hypnosis, is that my freind used a tape sold and used commerical to induce hypnosis on workers and students to preform better. This freind of mine (Marcus) left me in the hypnosis and i was lead by suggestions to smuggle one Kilo Hashish from Copenhagen and i was left on institutions for commiting a crime that the authorties ruled i shouldn't be responsible for... To clarify, i hatched the idea in the HO that i should make some money on drugs, Lead by one suggestion and one command to smuggle from the freetown in denmark called christiania...

Are you sure you haven't smoked it instead of smuggling it?

 

[Lillen]

To ponder further.. the suggestion "now you can do what you are told!!" is dangerous, both on medications that induce hypnosis and those tapes sold by psychologists, teurapist and physiciance can be used by the overseer like it was done to me!

 

[Hespera]

To ponder further.. the suggestion "now you can do what you are told!!" is dangerous, both on medications that induce hypnosis and those tapes sold by psychologists, teurapist and physiciance can be used by the overseer like it was done to me!

Well, dont take any drugs into China, you will be executed.

 

[Lillen]

And also, Thomas Quick, an known criminal here in sweden, confessed alot of crimes he hadn't commited leaving tax payers pay 1000 dollars per day, for twenty years, of crimes he hadn't commited, until he was released just recently.

Back to my experience (Superstition no!!!), When I took the train to Christiania, i could track the place were it was sold without any guidence from citizens of copenhagen. I just went straight to christiania (a sanctuary in Denmark) and bought the hashish without any guidance. I sold half of it getting back the money i spent on it, and lost the rest (It was stolen)... I been on institutions for 1/3 of my life as the authorties ruled that couldn't be held responsible for this crime. It did ruin my life.

 

[sfs]

It is quite annoying to change the language to fit the ideas of "random posters" and take the punishment for their lack of knowledge. After some time we will be unable to express our position, because all the words will be taken for their usage.

Sure, dealing with the imperfections of humans is annoying, but that's the audience we're stuck with, unless you have plans to communicate with some other species. Any word choice can be misunderstood, and most language has some element of analogy to it, but that doesn't mean we shouldn't avoid the most misleading language. I've written and spoken about natural selection quite a bit, and I don't think I've ever used the word "purpose" to describe a trait. It just doesn't strike me as conveying anything useful about selection.