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Hyper Spritualizing

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Understanding things from a spiritual POV and hyperspiritualizing are not the same thing. I've only really seen the latter when dealing with people that have basically decided they need to disengage from anything that's not explicitly labelled 'Christian' and cordon themselves off inside the Evangelical/Fundamentalist/Charismatic echo chamber. Very very rarely (if ever) have I seen it occur in Mainline Protestants, or within like-minded Catholics and Orthodox.

But there is a difference: Catholics, Orthodox, and Mainline Protestants all do have a spiritual worldview, but that doesn't mean they hyperspiritualize things. The hyper is the important part of the word here, not the spiritual part of the word. The Orthodox in particular are very experientially spiritual in their worldview, but theirs is equally as distant from what we're talking about here.

It's an impulse to make everything, no matter how mundane, into a morality play of Biblical consequences, because it's an outcropping of 'spiritual warfare' ideas. As far as I can see there's nothing positive about that outlook at all; it's motivated by constantly being in fear of not being vigilant or militant enough with your congregation's list of do's and don'ts, because their 'don'ts' are inevitably the things where they believe demons lurk. But usually those subjects are extremely subjective and not shared by other local congregations or the major denominations. It's far more likely to be found in churches with high levels of denominational autonomy or absolutely no denominational hierarchy at all, because ecclesiastical structure provides a system of checks and balances against this sort of tendency.
 
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I guess some people making the devil more powerful than God. If you know people like that, gently tell them the truth.

Theres nothing wrong with praising the Lord though. If that bothers you, then..maybe you arent doing it enough.
 
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I was in another section of the site, and came across this argument that we have a tendency in the church to hyper-spiritualize everything. In other words, to assume it's supernatural before assuming the natural.

"In my opinion the modern church has hyper-spiritualized everything. I know people who think every time they get a cold, it's the devil, or every time something good happens its a gift from God. I'm not saying that the devil doesn't do things to interfere with our life or that God never gives us gifts, but you probably got sick because someone sneezed on you. Some people just always seem to over look the simple and physical rational behind these things to attribute them to the supernatural. For example, you find $20 on the street and say "Isn't God great! What a blessing!" I say no, some unfortunate person lost that $20 and you happened to be the first person to stumble across it. Not everything has to have some supernatural underlining meaning behind it."

Do you agree that we tend to over-spiritualize things? Do you think this is a problem? Thoughts!

I like your example, mainly because it also points out how foolish that attitude is.

Seems to me that if one is going to spiritualize everything they might just want to look a bit deeper. As you pointed out that $20 was lost by someone else, perhaps someone who needs it far more than any of us do. So perhaps it just might be from God. But it was not a gift or blessing, it was a test and the hyper spiritual person has been tested and found wanting.
 
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Perhaps I am misunderstanding, so I apologise in advance.
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If someone loses £20 and you find it, then we are perhaps taught this is an opportunity not to be £20 richer but to attempt to find the unfortunate who lost it. I'll also say that for some people they need to view everything in life as being engineered by God and demons, they genuinely do. They need that view, and unless that view is causing them more harm than good I see no reason to squish it.

Since I hold the view I do, perhaps I am unaware of whether the priest/denomination I follow is prone to what others view as hyper spiritualisation.

I agree that sometimes it is a blessing to find money and we should think of it in a good manner that'd benefit us past we found $20.
Also and for instance. I became rather sick and was out for about 10 days.
I get it maybe every few years and it's just a choice thing to have which none of my family (of currently 7) got nearly as bad as I did.
Right before it hit with all it's might my brain died on me. I said something stupid to somebody at the movie theatre (ei they could say I was inebriated but I wasn't), and also to a friend later on about my concerns of our friendship.

She had a short fuse, and saw it as a way to move on from me since she had bigger fish to fry. Furthermore, although I should be devastated with the loss I am not in the slightest upset. I'm just thinking about what happened, and I'm actually happy it did even though it was a gross injustice of the friend.

I think if I wasn't sick I'd not have said that slightly off color thing, and since I knew things were a little rocky that in a few weeks the friendship would be strong again. So now I feel like my life has restarted and changed with God touching me since his grace is what's kept me from being negatively effected like I should be. I see this whole thing as a total blessing from God.

Right after I said that somewhat confrontation (this is BS sorta thing) thing to her and regretted it (she ran with it and thus shut me out to draw her own conclusions without me at all) I prayed God would use this sickness to help me understand things with also allowing this friendship to do better. The entire time I was sick, I had time to think since I was stuck doing nothing, I also sorta was half baked feeling from a fever (fun stuff), and whatever else (everything else ahaha!). In the end. I got the truth, never had to speak to her for closure over one of the best friendships I ever had, and in turn I saw that my entire life is moving forward even though I was convinced it stalled out since I'm trapped on a remote island doing nothing but working. All the pieces came together, the purpose, and everything. I wasn't treated fairly but I just don't care and have almost no resentment for some reason.

I had a female friend of only a month that gave me the cabosh since she was looking for a relationship and her Mom said no. That took me a few MONTHS to get over. Then I have this one of 8 months, we spent a ton of time together, and I thought I'd just be annihilated if it were to croak. Far from the truth and I find that surprising to say the least.

So yes. I am attributing the timing of this sickness, and it's subsequent turn of events to God. Since I was out of it it enabled me to process this, and handle it better than I ever thought was possible.
 
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Haha I know some people who rather suffer and go to the doctor and pay a lot of money than simply rebuke an illness in Jesus name.

Each to their own. I mean all He wants you to do is a small thing, like Naaman got told to wash in the Jordan, was it seven times. But he didnt want to do it cos he was too proud. But when he did do it, his skin became as soft as a babys. He had leprosy I recall.
 
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Show evidence that an illness can be cured by "rebuking" and you might have something.

Otherwise, to even claim that is horribly offensive. Why? It means people who suffer from illnesses with no relief just aren't "having enough faith" or "believing hard enough", etc.
 
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Show evidence that an illness can be cured by "rebuking" and you might have something.

Otherwise, to even claim that is horribly offensive. Why? It means people who suffer from illnesses with no relief just aren't "having enough faith" or "believing hard enough", etc.
Oh yeah I forgot. You're not allowed to post that sort of thing or people get offended. I'll shut up about it. Give evidence, it's never good enough unless arms pop out. Not starting that discussion ever again.
 
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Woop. I wondered where that thread someone started in christian advice about casting out demons went. Apparently we not even supposed to do it. But thats kinda silly, since Jesus basically taught his disciples how to.
 
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Woop. I wondered where that thread someone started in christian advice about casting out demons went. Apparently we not even supposed to do it. But thats kinda silly, since Jesus basically taught his disciples how to.

If I had to guess, it's actually for people like me who have been scarred from people who falsely claimed demonic influence.
 
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Well,just ask Jesus to heal if they do.
jesus had scars on his hands and feet, so, no big deal.

Quite frankly, I'm not really interested. I don't really buy into the idea that Christians are supposed to be spared from all pain, anxiety, sickness, and death. Even Jesus was not spared form those things. Also, Jesus still had the scars on his resurrected body, but they were signs of strength and faith instead of pain and suffering.
 
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Ah yes. Name it and claim it. My grandmother doesn't like how I'm saying that I feel sick or am getting ill.
If I have to go to the bathroom then I need to go. If I'm getting the flue then probably I'm getting it.

you are funny.
 
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