Hyper grace and the great lie

[Dan61861]

Jlr1300, that was written very well.

In Christ
Daniel

 

[BryanW92]

If you study the New Testament carefully, here is what you will find.

1. Before the time of Moses people couldn't be saved by keeping the law because the Law wasn't yet given. Abraham (who lived hundreds of years before Moses) was justified by faith and not by lawkeeping.

2. Moses came and gave the Nation of Israel the law. That law was for national blessing and personal physical blessing but no one could gain eternal life by it. That law was to be kept so that the nation of Israel would be blessed by God and so that the individual Jews would have a long and prosperous life. For instance, if they honored their father and mother their days would be long upon the earth. etc. etc. If Israel broke the laws of Moses God would judge the land and send foreign armies against them and would kill those Jews who were greatly sinning. To keep the law was to obtain life (physical life) to break the law was to receive death (pre-mature physical death) Paul says that eternal life and justification could not be obtained by the law. In Romans 4 Paul says that King David was justified by faith and not by the law. (Just as Abraham was)

3. The law of Moses gave a sacrificial system in which Priests would kill animals so that God would not bring judgements on the nation and people for sin. However, the writer of Hebrews tells us that the blood of bulls and goats could not ever really bring remission of sins. When the Jews in the Old Testament sinned, God would bring judgements upon them as individuals and as a nation... However if turned from their disobedience and if they brought animal sacrifices God would forgive them so that they wouldn't receive physical judgements on the nation or as individuals. However, they still were unsaved spiritually unless they trusted in the coming Messiah to forgive their sins. Physical salvation was by keeping the law. Spiritual salvation was only by trusting the coming Messiah for eternal life.

3. When Jesus came, the Pharisees had completely misunderstood the law of Moses. They didn't understand that it was for the blessing of the nation of Israel. They thought it was for the obtaining of eternal life. They also thought that they were able to keep the law perfectly and earn salvation by it. Jesus began teaching them that the law was so strict that no one can obtain salvation by it. In the sermon on the mount, Jesus went over the laws and showed them that the laws are far-reaching and require complete moral perfection.

4. Often in Matthew, Mark and Luke, When lawyers and pharisees ask what actions they can perform or what they can DO to obtain eternal life... Jesus just tells them that if they can keep the law perfectly they can have eternal life. He did that to cause them to despair of salvation by works so that they would be prepared to quit trusting in the law of Moses for salvation and turn to Him for mercy and look to His sacrifice to cover their sins and save them after He died on the cross.

5. Throughout the book of John Jesus teaches over and over and over that eternal live is a gift that is given freely to those who believe in Jesus. To believe in Jesus means to trust Him to give you eternal life rather than trying to earn it by personal efforts and works and lawkeeping.

6. The Apostle Paul taught in the book of Romans that eternal life could in theory be obtained by keeping the law if anyone could keep it perfectly. However He says that everyone is a sinner and so no one can be saved by the law. Instead, Jesus came and died on the cross to pay for our disobedience to the law. He died to pay for our sins. Therefore, He offers salvation as a free gift by faith in Christ. To have faith in Christ means to quit trusting in our attempts to keep the law for salvation and instead to trust and believe that the blood of Jesus covers our sins and saves us from the wrath of God and guarantees our eternal life and a home in heaven.

7. Paul plainly teaches salvation not by works but by faith. In Ephesians 2:8-9 Paul says "for it is by Grace that you have been saved through faith and not of yourselves, it is the gift of God, not of works lest anyone should boast." Salvation is not by doing any works whatsoever. It is a gift. It isn't earned or deserved. It is a gift which is freely given to those who trust Christ to save them and do not depend on themselves or their works.

Paul said "Therefore we conclude, that a man is justified by faith, APART FROM the deeds of the law."

And he also said... " but to him who does not work, but believes in Him who justifies the ungodly, his faith is accounted as righteousness"

That means People who realize that they cannot keep the law well enough to be saved and so they quit trying to do anything to save themselves.... and instead just believe and trust that Jesus will save them because He died for them ....those people are considered to be righteous in God's eyes because their sins are covered by the sacrifice and blood of Jesus.

8. Last point. When you get saved (justified) the Holy Spirit enters you and leads you to live a godly life. When you sin you will be chastened and disciplined but you will not lose your salvation.

 

[JLR1300]

Thanks for the nice comments guys. God bless.

 

[dayhiker]

JLR - that was a great post.

An other perspective I like to give in parallel with what you have said is what Paul talks about in Phil. He says that he would count all this law stuff as dung that he might know Christ. I noticed years ago that I could even get so involved in knowing Christian doctrine that I wasn't spending time knowing Christ. There is an intellectual knowing of Christian theology that while very good and beneficial isn't really a relationship with Christ. So I say study all those good Biblical ideas and know Christ personally as well.

 

[lori milne]

According to scripture he who falls back into iniquity after being saved are not saved any more unless they
repent but if a man repent 2x after receiving the faith he is hardened and it is unlikely for him to return!
Don't take it for granted
God will have to force you to repent through loss or pain in a way as to force you to feel guilty one way or another if not for your sin the for what your sin will do to others you love!
Pharos lost his son and he wasn't turned he was hardened!

some passages to read on this!


For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning. For it had been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than, after they have known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered unto them
2 Peter‬ [bless and do not curse]2‬:[bless and do not curse]20-21‬ KJV


For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted of the heavenly gift, and were made partakers of the Holy Ghost, And have tasted the good word of God, and the powers of the world to come, If they shall fall away, to renew them again unto repentance; seeing they crucify to themselves the Son of God afresh, and put him to an open shame
Hebrews‬ [bless and do not curse]6‬:[bless and do not curse]4-6‬ KJV



But jesus gives us the gift of faith through his word if we live in the word it will live in us to righteousness !

We had to repent / confess out sins for blood offerings in the OT the same is true now when we come to CHRIST and allow are sins to be washed in his blood.

For if they cover current or you're assuming to sin again " future sins the bible is the Made wrong

Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God
Romans‬ [bless and do not curse]3‬:[bless and do not curse]25‬ KJV

If you don't read the entire passage you can't
Comment in any of it on OP

By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them; And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more. Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin. Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus, By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

Let us draw near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled from an evil conscience, and our bodies washed with pure water. Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without wavering; (for he is faithful that promised

For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries. He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:

Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him. But we are not of them who draw back unto perdition; but of them that believe to the saving of the soul

Hebrews‬ [bless and do not curse]10‬:[bless and do not curse]10, 14, 16-20, 22-23, 26-28, 38-39‬ KJV

 

[ron4shua]

2 Peter 2 The Scriptures (ISR 1998)
18For speaking arrogant nonsense, they entice – through the lusts of the flesh, through indecencies – the ones who have indeed escaped from those living in delusion,

19promising them freedom, though themselves being slaves of corruption – for one is a slave to whatever overcomes him.

20For if, after they have escaped the defilements of the world through the knowledge of the Master and Saviour יהושע Messiah, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the first.

21For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the set-apart commanda delivered unto them.

22For them the proverb has proved true, “A dog returns to his own vomit,” and, “A washed sow returns to her rolling in the mud.”2 Peter 2 The Scriptures (ISR 1998)

Hebrews 6 The Scriptures (ISR 1998)
1Therefore, having left the word of the beginning of the Messiah, let us go on to perfection,a not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of belief toward Elohim,

2of the teaching of immersions, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of everlasting judgment.

3And this we shall do, if Elohim indeed permits.

4For it is impossible for those who were once enlightened, and have tasted the heavenly gift, and have become partakers of the Set-apart Spirit,

5and have tasted the good Word of Elohim and the powers of the age to come,

6and fall away, to renew them again to repentance – having impaled for themselves the Son of Elohim again, and put Him to open shame.a

Romans 3 The Scriptures (ISR 1998)
24being declared right, without paying, by His favour through the redemption which is in Messiah יהושע,

25whom Elohim set forth as an atonement, through belief in His blood, to demonstrate His righteousness, because in His tolerance Elohim had passed over the sins that had taken place before,

26to demonstrate at the present time His righteousness, that He is righteous and declares righteous the one who has belief in יהושע.

Hebrews 10 The Scriptures (ISR 1998)
10By that desire we have been set apart through the offering of the body of יהושע Messiah once for all.