HY AYER BAPTISM CAN NOT SAVE !!

[Dan Perez]

I Peter 3:21 show why !!

There are many church's that say and depend on water Baptism does save .

It reads , The like figure whereunto (( even )) is not in the Greek text , BAPTISMA is n the correct Greek word in the Greek text .

BAPTISMA is the HOLY SPIRIT that saves , reads Acts 1:5 says so as Eph 4:5 ONE BAPTISMA .

Then reads NOT // is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE and this PARTICLE means WATER BAPTISM , can not put the FILITH OF THE FLESH .

This is WHY water baptism will never save in the AGE of Grace , read Rom 10:9 and 10 a nd Eph 2:8 !!

dan p

 

[HTacianas]

I Peter 3:21 show why !!

There are many church's that say and depend on water Baptism does save .

It reads , The like figure whereunto (( even )) is not in the Greek text , BAPTISMA is n the correct Greek word in the Greek text .

BAPTISMA is the HOLY SPIRIT that saves , reads Acts 1:5 says so as Eph 4:5 ONE BAPTISMA .

Then reads NOT // is a DISJUNCATIVE PARTICLE NEGATIVE and this PARTICLE means WATER BAPTISM , can not put the FILITH OF THE FLESH .

This is WHY water baptism ill never save in the AGE of Grace , read Rom 10:9 and 10 a nd Eph 2:8 !!

dan p

Yet all those native Greek speakers have always disagreed with you.

But you are misreading "filth of the flesh". In that particular case it means literally washing dirt from the body.

 

[Dan Perez]

Yet all those native Greek speakers have always disagreed with you.

But you are misreading "filth of the flesh". In that particular case it means literally washing dirt from the body.

And in 1 Cor 10:2 reads All were BAPTIZED " TOGETHER " unto Moses unto Moses in the CLOUD and in the SEA

Since it is the Greek word BAPTISM // BAPTIZO , does it also mean LITERALLY WASHING DIRT from the BODY ?

I have many other examples of BAPTISM , like DIP , SPRINKLING , BAPTIZE for the DEAD , in 1 Cor 15:29

and in Rom 6:2 were BAPTIZED into Christ Jesus and were BAPTIZED into his DEATH !!

How did that happen ??

dan p

 

[HTacianas]

And in 1 Cor 10:2 reads All were BAPTIZED " TOGETHER " unto Moses unto Moses in the CLOUD and in the SEA

Since it is the Greek word BAPTISM // BAPTIZO , does it also mean LITERALLY WASHING DIRT from the BODY ?

I have many other examples of BAPTISM , like DIP , SPRINKLING , BAPTIZE for the DEAD , in 1 Cor 15:29

and in Rom 6:2 were BAPTIZED into Christ Jesus and were BAPTIZED into his DEATH !!

How did that happen ??

dan p

The meaning of it is that one goes into the water to cleanse their conscience of sin. The writer states that it is not for removing dirt from the body, but for the forgiveness of sins. That's it. It's just that simple.

Now, you are making the mistake of thinking that if you scour the bible and quibble over the meanings of terms you will have discovered some mysterious truth that no one has ever found before. No such mysterious truth exists. The writers of the letters of the new testament would not have meant for the readers to hop up and down and stand on their heads trying to figure out what the letters meant. They are simple and written in plain language.

 

[Dan Perez]

The meaning of it is that one goes into the water to cleanse their conscience of sin. The writer states that it is not for removing dirt from the body, but for the forgiveness of sins. That's it. It's just that simple.

Now, you are making the mistake of thinking that if you scour the bible and quibble over the meanings of terms you will have discovered some mysterious truth that no one has ever found before. No such mysterious truth exists. The writers of the letters of the new testament would not have meant for the readers to hop up and down and stand on their heads trying to figure out what the letters meant. They are simple and written in plain language.

We do have the Greek text and Paul says in 2 Tim 2: 15 to Rightly Divide the word of TRUTH and in 1 Cor 10:1 , we are to become Imitators of Me ( Paul ) just as I also am of Christ !!

dan p

 

[HTacianas]

We do have the Greek text and Paul says in 2 Tim 2: 15 to Rightly Divide the word of TRUTH and in 1 Cor 10:1 , we are to become Imitators of Me ( Paul ) just as I also am of Christ !!

dan p

Well I'm not sure what you're getting at. And I have heard countless bizarre ideas people base off of 2 Tim 2:15. And they all end up as "I know I am rightly dividing the word of truth because I know I am". How about this. The word of truth was rightly divided a long time ago and there is no need to divide it again.

Eph 4:14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting,

 

[Dan Perez]

Well I'm not sure what you're getting at. And I have heard countless bizarre ideas people base off of 2 Tim 2:15. And they all end up as "I know I am rightly dividing the word of truth because I know I am". How about this. The word of truth was rightly divided a long time ago and there is no need to divide it again.

Eph 4:14 that we should no longer be children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the trickery of men, in the cunning craftiness of deceitful plotting,

And we all know that Paul to BE IMITATORS OF HIM as he IMITATES Christ , in 1 Cor 11:1

And we are to RIGHTLY DIVIDE the word , in 2 Tim 2:15 ,

And another favorite of mine is in 2 Peter 3::15 Peter calls Paul a beloved brother !

And in verse 16 , Peter says , that Paul's epistles are HARD to be UNDERSTOOD , which they v that are Unlearned and Unstable Wrest , as they do also the other scriptures , unto their own destruction .

But the best to you !!

dan p

 

[HTacianas]

And we all know that Paul to BE IMITATORS OF HIM as he IMITATES Christ , in 1 Cor 11:1

And we are to RIGHTLY DIVIDE the word , in 2 Tim 2:15 ,

And another favorite of mine is in 2 Peter 3::15 Peter calls Paul a beloved brother !

And in verse 16 , Peter says , that Paul's epistles are HARD to be UNDERSTOOD , which they v that are Unlearned and Unstable Wrest , as they do also the other scriptures , unto their own destruction .

But the best to you !!

dan p

There were a number of people floating around in the early Church who twisted the words of Paul. There are still people who do. The worst cases are the antinomians who claim that the entirety of the law has been abolished therefore there is no such thing as sin. They go so far as to say that if you abstain from sinning you are condemned because you are relying on yourself for salvation. But the most common misuse of the writings of Paul are found in the Protestant idea of faith alone. They lift Ephesians 2:8-9 out of its context and then use it as a trump card against the rest of the new testament.

So yes, there are those who abuse the writings of Paul.

 

[Dan Perez]

There were a number of people floating around in the early Church who twisted the words of Paul. There are still people who do. The worst cases are the antinomians who claim that the entirety of the law has been abolished therefore there is no such thing as sin. They go so far as to say that if you abstain from sinning you are condemned because you are relying on yourself for salvation. But the most common misuse of the writings of Paul are found in the Protestant idea of faith alone. They lift Ephesians 2:8-9 out of its context and then use it as a trump card against the rest of the new testament.

So yes, there are those who abuse the writings of Paul.

And how do you see three ONES ,and three words , Lord , Faith , and BAPTISM ?

# 1 One Lord One Faith One BAPTISM !!

# 2 There is only ONE // EIS Lord .!

# 4 There is only One FAITH !!

# 5 There is only One // EIS BAPTISMA .


# 6 Does ONE mean ONE ? YES it does !!

When anyone checks the Greek Text , BAPTISM in Eph 4:5 is the Greek word BAPTISMA


# 7 What does BAPTISMA then mean , since it means BAPTIZE ??

# 8 What then is the ONE BAPTISMA , then mean ??

#9 Also notice that THE Greek word for WATER // HUDOR is NOT in the Greek text in Eph 4:5 !!

If you disagree , will you provide a verse ??

dn p

 

[HTacianas]

And how do you see three ONES ,and three words , Lord , Faith , and BAPTISM ?

# 1 One Lord One Faith One BAPTISM !!

# 2 There is only ONE // EIS Lord .!

# 4 There is only One FAITH !!

# 5 There is only One // EIS BAPTISMA .


# 6 Does ONE mean ONE ? YES it does !!

When anyone checks the Greek Text , BAPTISM in Eph 4:5 is the Greek word BAPTISMA


# 7 What does BAPTISMA then mean , since it means BAPTIZE ??

# 8 What then is the ONE BAPTISMA , then mean ??

#9 Also notice that THE Greek word for WATER // HUDOR is NOT in the Greek text in Eph 4:5 !!

If you disagree , will you provide a verse ??

dn p

There one baptism that brings a person into the Church. But that one baptism has multiple parts. The first part is water baptism for the remission of sin. The second part is Chrismation, meaning receiving the Holy Spirit through the laying on of hands. If you read the account of Philip and the men of Samaria in Acts 8 you'll see it. Philip evangelized the men of Samaria and baptized them in water. He then sent for the Apostles Peter and John so they could lay hands on the men that they would receive the Holy Spirit. It is one baptism: The Christian baptism.

Now, you are making the mistake of thinking you have found something in the bible that no one else has ever seen. Trust me. You haven't. But you are parsing words in order to shoehorn your own tradition into the bible and it doesn't fit. While I admire you for studying as much as you have, your conclusions are wrong. That is apparent because you reach a conclusion here, but your conclusion is contradicted there.

 

[Dan Perez]

There one baptism that brings a person into the Church. But that one baptism has multiple parts. The first part is water baptism for the remission of sin. The second part is Chrismation, meaning receiving the Holy Spirit through the laying on of hands. If you read the account of Philip and the men of Samaria in Acts 8 you'll see it. Philip evangelized the men of Samaria and baptized them in water. He then sent for the Apostles Peter and John so they could lay hands on the men that they would receive the Holy Spirit. It is one baptism: The Christian baptism.

Now, you are making the mistake of thinking you have found something in the bible that no one else has ever seen. Trust me. You haven't. But you are parsing words in order to shoehorn your own tradition into the bible and it doesn't fit. While I admire you for studying as much as you have, your conclusions are wrong. That is apparent because you reach a conclusion here, but your conclusion is contradicted there.

Have you ever seen where BAPTISM was given to Gentiles ??

I do have a verse where WATER BAPTISM was given to ISRAEL in John 1:31 !!

dan p

 

[HTacianas]

Have you ever seen where BAPTISM was given to Gentiles ??

I do have a verse where WATER BAPTISM was given to ISRAEL in John 1:31 !!

dan p

Yes. The Samaritans I mentioned before. The Phillipian jailer of Acts 16, Cornelius the centurion and the gentiles of Acts 10:44, the Ethiopian Eunuch of Acts 8:38, and all of the other gentiles who came into the Church.

 

[Dan Perez]

Yes. The Samaritans I mentioned before. The Phillipian jailer of Acts 16, Cornelius the centurion and the gentiles of Acts 10:44, the Ethiopian Eunuch of Acts 8:38, and all of the other gentiles who came into the Church.

And John 1:311 says That John was to be made MANIFEST to Israel and in GENTILES // ETHNOS and does not mention Samaritans , who are half Jews and , yes Cornelius was a Gentile , and there were Proselytes , and Cornelius was excepted because of Acts 10:35 reads , But in every nation the one REVERING Him and is Working Righteousness is ACCEPTABLE to Him .

dan p