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Husband is 'Prophet, Priest & King'? It's Not In There!

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To me it makes no difference whether you call a man or woman apostle, messenger, whatever. IMO, "Authority" structure in the way most people like to think of them simply have no place at all in the New Testament church. An apostle is an annointed messenger - an eye witness to God's amazing power - gifted to speak it forth into listeners, and above all - a servant. Leader's in the New Testament are exactly that... *Leaders* leading by example, and telling forth God's Glory, Mercy, Grace. Authority as it is known in the world is *not* in order in the church, and wherever it arises it causes people to derail from God's plan of making all saints ministers.
 
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kooolfriend said:
Yes, I am praying the heart prayer more than regularly as often as I can, and each time I pray it, am grasping something more.
The Holy Spirit is actively working in me.:)

Can you tell me more about the meaning of epiphany?

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Epiphany in this context means receiving revelation and insight.

All Christian contemplative, prophetic and spiritual [mystical] streams are essentially pursuing that powerful Inner Life in the Holy Spirit through the work of the Cross.

I have reflected on things I could say, although it may be worth looking at Peter Wagner's website:

http://www.globalharvest.org/

Go to the prophetic section and I recommend the article on pastors and prophets.

The material I have used in conversation with Theophorus has mainly been drawn from Eastern Orthodox sources - if you would like reference material on the prophetic, I would be pleased to share some thoughts on material drawn from modern Western Evangelical-Charismatic [Pentecostal] sources - Graham Cooke, Jim Goll, Dutch Sheets.
 
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ThatHillisonFire said:
Kooolfriend

Epiphany in this context means receiving revelation and insight.

All Christian contemplative, prophetic and spiritual [mystical] streams are essentially pursuing that powerful Inner Life in the Holy Spirit through the work of the Cross.

I have reflected on things I could say, although it may be worth looking at Peter Wagner's website:

http://www.globalharvest.org/

Go to the prophetic section and I recommend the article on pastors and prophets.

The material I have used in conversation with Theophorus has mainly been drawn from Eastern Orthodox sources - if you would like reference material on the prophetic, I would be pleased to share some thoughts on material drawn from modern Western Evangelical-Charismatic [Pentecostal] sources - Graham Cooke, Jim Goll, Dutch Sheets.


Thanks for the link.:)
Yes, would really love to have your thoughts about the reference materials you mentioned.
 
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FireOfGod said:
Yikes... I don't think that. I think that the husband is the head of the household. He provides for the wife and children and keeps things in order, and he keeps things in accordance to the word of God.

Well, that's what he should do anyway.


I agree. I don't see where that makes him the priest.
Jan
 
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kooolfriend said:
Thanks for the link.:)
Yes, would really love to have your thoughts about the reference materials you mentioned.

I would certainly recommend the following material:

Dutch Sheets - Intercessory Prayer.

Jim Goll - Wasted on Jesus [which explores the Carmelite approach to Contemplative Prayer]

Graham Cooke - Any of his interactive booklets, he has a series published by sovereign world, but particularly 'Towards a Powerful Inner Life'.

I also recommend Graham Cooke's website and all of his other material.

There are some good eastern Orthodox sources - I particularly like School for Prayer by Metropolitan Anthony of Sourozh.

You can encounter some fairly wild stuff in Prophetics - always follow the Lamb above all other things -

Be Blessed, Be Opened and Increase. Right Now. In His Name.
 
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Thanks ThatHillisonFire, I’ll try to get those books.:) What amaze me is that the eastern orthodox already got some good resources about prophetic and yet they are not much involved prophetic ( from what I know of, I may be misunderstanding!).

Concerning the wild stuff, I already met plenty of them. It’s thru those wild stuff that have makes me wonder if it is not hiding the true prophetic.

Am I glad to have found the real one!:wave:
 
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I have just commented on the way prophecy is captured in Eastern Orthodox liturgical thinking in my Blog - by the way the word Eschatological means the end times or final things.

Amillenialism as a reading of the Book of Revelation does not recognise a literal 1,000 year millenial reign by Jesus on Earth before the final consummation of all things, but treats the accounts in Revelation to be concurrent.

There is a difference in Eastern Orthodoxy between their Mystical Theology which is contemplative and their Liturgical Theology which is more prophetic - closer to how I would express the real and the substantial.

Their approach to the persons of the Trinity as an enhypostasis [Greek] - an in each otherness in a substantial way as persons is expressed in the Latin equivalent as Substantia - Substance.

Their categories are (1) Contemplation, (2) Energy, (3) Theophany, mine are (1) Incarnation, (2) Prophecy, (3) Substance.

The Incarnation of Jesus and the convergence of Heaven and Earth through Jesus = Incarnation

The Testimony of Jesus is the Spirit of Prophecy - Revelation 19a = Prophecy

Hebrews 11:1 - Faith is the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things not seen - the movement from shadow to substance = Substance.
 
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Thanks. That lifts me up. I was a Leftfield Radical Intellectual in the early 1980s and after I became disillusioned with Anarchy, Nihilism and Worldwide Proletarian Revolution I drifted back into a Church that I had left with Thomas Cranmer and the 1662 Common Book of Prayer, to find John Wimber had come and gone and that they had moved the Moon and changed all the stars around - everything was a post Vineyard paradigm - I remember feeling stop me when I get past Mars and remind me to get off this bus.

I had always been prophetic, mystical, visionary and surreal - although I tended to wrap it up in visionary intensity and cognitive surrealism [French for Super-realism] - the radical fringe of radical critque.

I knew the call of the prophetic on my Life before I was born, although I did not have the categories, theology, devotional mentoring, any Conversation Partners to discuss the prophetic - so I was way out past Saturn.

It all kicked off with the Kansas City Prophets in 1988 and I was kicking around wondering if I should spaypaint Dialectical Materialism across the Church door and this former Vineyard Pastor, who was then a Church of England Vicar came whizzing up on spiritual rocket-powered roller skates and said - "You're Prophetic!" and said, "Yeah? Run that pass me again" and then I started to connect with my own ministry, destiny and purpose at a very deep level in my spirit - I had lived out of a state of radical critique and after that encounter - I started to descend in a maelstrom of mystics, madmen, Joseph Conrad whiteknuckled protagonists, the clash of steel on steel, wild eyed adventurers who claimed to have found Eden, Shangri La and Eldorado along the way - call it the Milky Way - because I was going crazy and I felt like I was leaving for the next Galaxy with the spectral red shift of an object moving away from sight at the speed of Light - there was an intense deprogramming process going on as the Holy Spirit was starting to kick some truth right through me - I just caught fire, I was walking around on fire - I kind of crashlanded on a trip into the prophetic - it is almost indescribable what it can do to your cognition - it rearranges you - I had no mentors, no books, no conversation partners apart from the Bible and the Holy Spirit - so I just developed virtually all of my formative stuff from my personal encounters between 1988 and 1998 - later, I realised there were others like Graham Cooke, Dutch Sheets, Juanita Bynum, Jim Goll, John Paul Jackson, Chuck Pierce, Metropolitan Anthony of Sourozh - I started reading their stuff and picking up tapes, CDs, having utterly mad, wild and spontaneous encounters with really anointed men and women who would just lay hands on me and I would walk around for a few days afterwards just buzzing with this energy overload, until I was reformatted again by the Spirit and could work with the spiritual impartation I had received.

I believe that we are all called to live the prophetic life - and now, you have the Elijah List website, a deluge of books and materials on the subject - but when I started to write Cognitive Pneumatology and all the Heart Prayer stuff - I had never even heard of Patristics, Graham Cooke was still a future encounter and I was still descending into the Valley of Vision.

So hey, I am what Theologians call a Punk Pneumatologist - very alive and born kicking.

As Vicki (Merryheart) will testify, you are burning when you encounter and cross over into the propehtic, always burning - with a brilliant intensity.
 
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ThatHillisonFire said:
Kooolfriend

Thanks. That lifts me up. I was a Leftfield Radical Intellectual in the early 1980s and after I became disillusioned with Anarchy, Nihilism and Worldwide Proletarian Revolution I drifted back into a Church that I had left with Thomas Cranmer and the 1662 Common Book of Prayer, to find John Wimber had come and gone and that they had moved the Moon and changed all the stars around - everything was a post Vineyard paradigm - I remember feeling stop me when I get past Mars and remind me to get off this bus.

I had always been prophetic, mystical, visionary and surreal - although I tended to wrap it up in visionary intensity and cognitive surrealism [French for Super-realism] - the radical fringe of radical critque.

I knew the call of the prophetic on my Life before I was born, although I did not have the categories, theology, devotional mentoring, any Conversation Partners to discuss the prophetic - so I was way out past Saturn.

It all kicked off with the Kansas City Prophets in 1988 and I was kicking around wondering if I should spaypaint Dialectical Materialism across the Church door and this former Vineyard Pastor, who was then a Church of England Vicar came whizzing up on spiritual rocket-powered roller skates and said - "You're Prophetic!" and said, "Yeah? Run that pass me again" and then I started to connect with my own ministry, destiny and purpose at a very deep level in my spirit - I had lived out of a state of radical critique and after that encounter - I started to descend in a maelstrom of mystics, madmen, Joseph Conrad whiteknuckled protagonists, the clash of steel on steel, wild eyed adventurers who claimed to have found Eden, Shangri La and Eldorado along the way - call it the Milky Way - because I was going crazy and I felt like I was leaving for the next Galaxy with the spectral red shift of an object moving away from sight at the speed of Light - there was an intense deprogramming process going on as the Holy Spirit was starting to kick some truth right through me - I just caught fire, I was walking around on fire - I kind of crashlanded on a trip into the prophetic - it is almost indescribable what it can do to your cognition - it rearranges you - I had no mentors, no books, no conversation partners apart from the Bible and the Holy Spirit - so I just developed virtually all of my formative stuff from my personal encounters between 1988 and 1998 - later, I realised there were others like Graham Cooke, Dutch Sheets, Juanita Bynum, Jim Goll, John Paul Jackson, Chuck Pierce, Metropolitan Anthony of Sourozh - I started reading their stuff and picking up tapes, CDs, having utterly mad, wild and spontaneous encounters with really anointed men and women who would just lay hands on me and I would walk around for a few days afterwards just buzzing with this energy overload, until I was reformatted again by the Spirit and could work with the spiritual impartation I had received.

I believe that we are all called to live the prophetic life - and now, you have the Elijah List website, a deluge of books and materials on the subject - but when I started to write Cognitive Pneumatology and all the Heart Prayer stuff - I had never even heard of Patristics, Graham Cooke was still a future encounter and I was still descending into the Valley of Vision.

So hey, I am what Theologians call a Punk Pneumatologist - very alive and born kicking.

As Vicki (Merryheart) will testify, you are burning when you encounter and cross over into the propehtic, always burning - with a brilliant intensity.
:clap: :D :clap:
Awesome testimony.
You are unique!
Am I glad that you have landed in CF, and impart us with your peculiar turbo energy!:wave:
 
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Dearest Koolfriend & ThatHillIsOnFire,
There is no doubt that you ladies love the Lord and have a lot to say, especially regarding the prophetic. And I would love to read it all...but do you think it might be better addressed in a thread that is totally dedicated to that topic? It almost feels that there are two entirely different conversations going on here. Both valuable. Both important. And both deserving their own thread. Do you agree? Thanks!
Your sister,
Leslie
 
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Leslie, I apologize for hijacking your thread, it was not intentional though.

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Ok, am out of your thread.
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Peace.
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