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Husband hasn't worked in more than 5 years. =(

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Greetings to all, and apologies in advance for the huge post. Mostly I wanted to vent, but I'm hoping for some honest Christian assistance here in doing the right thing.

My husband and I have been together since 2000, married in Oct '05 (no kids), and he had lost his job the previous spring. I must have thought back then that his being unemployed was temporary. I was wrong. We made plans to move to another state in the spring of '06 where there was work in his field, though we did not want to go. He ended up getting work with his sister's boyfriend, off the books for a few months, so our move was cancelled.

Now the winter of '06 rolls around and he's out of work again, and I'm the primary wage earner. Spring of '07 comes, and he does nothing. Summer, Fall and Winter of '07 come and go; still nothing. I manage to talk him into going to college, so we got him enrolled for the Spring of '08, and he takes one or two remedial courses, part time. Again for the summer of '08, and full time in the Fall.

Now comes the winter of '08; my dad dies. My husband totals my truck, and puts himself in the hospital, non-life-threatening. He has to withdraw from classes for the spring of '09, and take his make-up finals from the Fall when he's recovered from his injuries later that spring. I've had to take large chunks of time off to care for him. My dog dies. I usually hold up pretty well under a lot of stress, so for the most part, I'm bearing up. He goes back to school in the summer, part time, and full time in the Fall of '09.

Next up: I lose my job that winter for all the time I took off to care for my husband, and because of some bad paperwork. About now, I'm starting to crack, and tell my husband that now it's *HIS* turn to work. This doesn't happen. I get unemployment for the next 12 months while I search for something that even remotely paid what I was getting paid before = zilch. He continues in school for Spring of '10, full time, summer, part-time, and Fall, full-time. I sold my motorcycle to pay for the property taxes that year. I had to take out money from my retirement to carry us through the remainder of the summer and fall, because Federal Student aid will not cover a student that goes to school part time, and we were not sure when the money would come. Thankfully it did arrive close to winter.

He took his final two classes this spring (part-time) to finish for his Associates, and still no work, though I did manage to get my job back this past Feb, after being gone for 14 months (no back pay). This is not to say that he does not do stuff around the house, or is useless in any other respect. He's perfectly capable of working, just not with an actual business that will take some of the financial burden off of me.

Needless to say, my bitterness, anger and resentment has finally surfaced now that Summer is here, and he's <edit> around long enough that any jobs that were available are going quickly to the high school and college kids that are applying at places that are ACTUALLY HIRING. I blew my stack with him two days ago after receiving a call asking me to pick something up for him at the bike shop, when he was supposed to have been in town himself looking for work. I came home, arms full of groceries, to find him watching a movie.

I should add that he's just turned 50, but in good enough shape to take on whatever he puts his mind to, having fully recovered from his injuries in that accident. I just can't get him to do it.

When I moved in with him, a really nice roomy place out in the country, it was quite a step up from my dinky house in the city. It will suck to leave here, as I love it out here with the dogs, but even the beauty in the hills and all the open space isn't enough to ease the pressure.

Property taxes have arrived, and I'm not selling anything else to cover them this year. Bike insurance has arrived, and I'm not paying for that either. He's enrolled for the Fall to begin work on his Bachelors degree, but I really don't think I'm out of line in demanding that he work until then. Work that brings in money, that is. I just can't take it anymore. I gave the ultimatum this morning that if he doesn't come up with a job before the end of this month, I'm going to apply for a transfer at work and leave.

I love him dearly, and doing this is breaking my heart. Please tell me I'm not being unreasonable...?

Thank you in advance for your ear and your time.
 
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We marry our spouses - in sickness and in health, for richer or for poorer, yes?

No, it's not unreasonable to ask him to work and help contribute financially. To issue an ultimatum over it and leave him over it? Let me ask you - do you love him? Does he love you? What is your relationship like beyond the issue of him not contributing financially?

What does your budget look like? Are there things that could be trimmed down to help make ends meet better? I would look to make sacrifices in my budget before I would sacrifice my whole marriage over finances. But, that's just me.

Praying for God's direction in your marriage. :prayer:
 
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If you had young children at home he was caring for and you made enough money to cover the bills I would think you were being unreasonable..Or if he wasnt working when you married and told you he wasnt planning on it..IOW if he had disclosed he wanted to be a "part time student and a house husband" and you had agreed thats one thing..but you didnt.

Its wasteful IMO for one person to basically sit back and take it easy especially IF its adding a huge burden (stress being the main thing) to the other.. and /or you are having to dip into retirement funds to make ends meet..

To me it just doesnt make sense..My husband has for the huge bulk of the time been the only one earning...and I have been a SAHM for a solid 18 years..once I am "relieved" a little from my "volunteer" work keeping my grandson ..Im plainning on getting a part time job myself..because it doesnt make any SENSE for me NOT to..

Thats how I see your situation ..its not sensible for him to waste months that add up to years...being "non productive"..

So you are in fact being reasonable in my opinion ..Hes NOT.

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Thank you all immensely for answering. In order, @FaithPrevails, yes, I did take those vows seriously, and all this time I've striven very well not to be a shrew, and I do love my husband very much, and know that he loves me. Honestly, while I've pulled away over the last few years trying to deal with my resentment, he's tried to maintain a contact with me.

When I lost my job we cut everything extraneous (satellite, cellphones, all extras, gone), to pare everything down to the bare essentials, and we just barely squeaked by. We're still in that boat while I pay back my employer and others who have helped us get through the past couple of years. Truly, this is the last thing I wanted to do, ever... but knowing my husband and talking to his family, particularly his sister, who I'm close to, it's clear that he's become complacent; content with his current lot in life, and despite my obvious despair, was going to do very little other than tell me he was "looking".

@Dallasapple, up until today, I have never been a demanding wife... I go faithfully by the "submissive wife" position as much as possible. It was only today that I gave the ultimatum, and have never, in the 11 years we've been together, ever done such a thing before.

He's telling me that there's just nothing out there for him, no place to get work at, when I just finished pulling up pages and pages of sites on the web for our area that have part time jobs to work in. I said that I didn't care what it was he did, just that it was SOMETHING. Give me some shred of help, that's all I want ("Need," I mean to say).

He's always been a good man to me, works great around the house, wonderful family, doesn't beat me, etc. I try always to count my blessings, but I'm still sliding over a cliff.

I feel like a total.... pile of you-know-what. But I also feel like a patsy. I'm angry and miserable and I just want to sleep so I don't think about it anymore. He is out actively looking for work right now, however.

Thank you so much again for your words of wisdom and prayers. Bless you.
 
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I understand the frustration that motivated the ultimatum - so I hope I didn't come across like I was condemning your choice. But, in the heat of a moment we can say/do things without considering the impact our actions have - or what it will mean to make good on an ultimatum. I just wanted to be sure you had considered all of that. :)

That said - if he is out actively looking for work then hopefully that means you have successfully lit a fire under his unemployed rear end and that he does love/care about you enough to do whatever it will take not to lose you.

God bless. :prayer:
 
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You say that you are both believers, yes? Does your husabnd also believe in the bible? if so, I suggest that you find quotes having to do with a husbands responsibilities to his and family and show them to him. Explain to him that you've done your part in the marriage and it's now time for him to start living up to his part. Tell him that all the stress and worry is making you ill and you feel like if something isn't done that you might end up having a nervous breakdown. That you need for "him" to take care of you before you end up sick and not able to care for anyone.

I'm sorry you're having to through this. I'm in the same situation. The above advise only worked for a little while for me. I hope it works better for you. Hugs.
 
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I think that after 5 years of him not working..and going to school 'part time" I could venture to "guess" you are hardly demanding..Especially since it sounds like his reason for unemployment as of today?Is he doesnt want to work period.He just hasnt stated it plain out that way..but thats pretty obvious the only real to the core "reason" he could possibly have not to have gotten some sort of of part time job by now..

As far as your ultimatum?..Well here is the thing..he will have to get a job if you leave..wont he?..And i bet you he would find a job then.So the way I see that..is does he want to work WITH you or without you its HIS choice and I dont see how its wrong to put it that way either..Not after 5 years.Giving him a CHOICE as far as I'm concerned in your situation doesnt sound like a petty threat in an effort to control or manipulate...sounds more like the consequences he might have to face after that long of disregarding you ...letting you struggle and carry the burden for that long ..there is no excuse for it..So I wouldnt imagine he would take your "ultimatum" as petty or flippant.. or some sort of idle threat..I wouldnt...

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I understand the frustration that motivated the ultimatum - so I hope I didn't come across like I was condemning your choice. But, in the heat of a moment we can say/do things without considering the impact our actions have - or what it will mean to make good on an ultimatum. I just wanted to be sure you had considered all of that. :)

Oh no, not at all, in fact I really rather need a hard line to make sure I wasn't overreacting. All I've done is think and think, for days and weeks and months on end about this, and so very much needed an objective opinion. I have been as honest and forthcoming about the situation at hand, and need to hear all opinions about it that I can get. You came across just as I had hoped... *smiles weakly*

As far as making good on an ultimatum, I will always follow through, and my husband knows it. I make so very few of the "this will happen, or else" oaths. I can't remember any others, come to think of it. If nothing else, if I say I'm going to do something or be somewhere, I'll be there unless some emergency arises, of course.

At any rate, I feel fairly confident that he'll come up with something. I feel sick to my stomach having had to say what I said this morning, but feel relieved that something will now be done.

Thank you all so much for being an ear and a shoulder for me, and not just telling me what I want to hear. I can't tell you how much I appreciate it.
 
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@c1ners, thank you for your kind words, and I'm very sorry to hear you're experiencing this also, it is an incredibly difficult thing. Yes, he's a believer also, but not sure if he's even read the bible. I'll think more about doing what you suggest, but don't want to appear patronizing just yet... maybe in the next week if nothing has happened.

Unfortunately I already have a past history of depression/anxiety issues, but am now off all medication as of the day I was fired, since I thought I didn't have any more insurance. I'm not the best judge on the objectivity of my actions sometimes, but am pretty sure I have a clear enough head to see what's going on at the moment, particularly in this situation... I'd like to think anyway. Anyway, a nervous breakdown wouldn't exactly be out of the question if it kept up the way it was before the events of the last few days.

@dallasapple, yes, that's exactly what I was thinking too, as he well knows my actions were in no way meant to manipulate; he can work now and I'll be here, or he can work after I'm gone and maybe he'll be able to keep this house, but likely he won't.

I know I keep repeating myself, but I feel horrible for this having happened at all, and I wish it hadn't come to this. I thank God that he's a good man at heart, and hope God will help him to see how much I need his support this time, instead of the other way around.

Bless you all again for your help.
 
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FaithPrevails - Your blessings donation and loving words made me cry. (And I don't need to cry anymore, really.. heh) Thank you so much for your support, I truly need it, and hope to be there for you someday. All good blessings to you also, and in all things.

I tried to send a PM to you saying this, but my post count is not high enough yet. I cannot express my gratitude enough to you and everyone here. It's been quite a day.
 
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@c1ners, thank you for your kind words, and I'm very sorry to hear you're experiencing this also, it is an incredibly difficult thing. Yes, he's a believer also, but not sure if he's even read the bible. I'll think more about doing what you suggest, but don't want to appear patronizing just yet... maybe in the next week if nothing has happened.

Sorry if you thought I meant you should patronize him. that was fartherst from my mind. I sometimes have a little bible study thing with my husband were I'll open the bible and we'll study about what ever I turn to. It just so happens that I tend to (most of the time) turn to the pages ( maybe because I have them dog eared? lol) that we need to discuss.

I would never ever suggest that you throw the bible in his face. I think That would do more harm then good.

I've suggested to my husband that even Walmart or McDonalds would be more then what he making now. But those kinds of jobs are beneath him. sigh
 
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Sorry if you thought I meant you should patronize him. that was fartherst from my mind. I sometimes have a little bible study thing with my husband were I'll open the bible and we'll study about what ever I turn to. It just so happens that I tend to (most of the time) turn to the pages ( maybe because I have them dog eared? lol) that we need to discuss.

I would never ever suggest that you throw the bible in his face. I think That would do more harm then good.

I've suggested to my husband that even Walmart or McDonalds would be more then what he making now. But those kinds of jobs are beneath him. sigh


Oh no! I'm so sorry, I didn't mean that the way it sounded... please forgive me. I was only thinking of how it would come across to him. *Grimaces* ... and here after I just got done saying how I'm not always the best judge of my own actions, go figure. Obviously I don't have much of myself together today.

We don't do much in the way of bible study, but this would certainly be a good time to start, I should think.

I'm pretty sure my husband would also say the same thing about those places to work. He'd probably be mortified if he came across someone he knew while working. He should be thinking more about keeping a roof over his head and giving his wife some peace. Hugs and blessings to you.
 
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Oh no! I'm so sorry, I didn't mean that the way it sounded... please forgive me. I was only thinking of how it would come across to him. *Grimaces* ... and here after I just got done saying how I'm not always the best judge of my own actions, go figure. Obviously I don't have much of myself together today.

We don't do much in the way of bible study, but this would certainly be a good time to start, I should think.

I'm pretty sure my husband would also say the same thing about those places to work. He'd probably be mortified if he came across someone he knew while working. He should be thinking more about keeping a roof over his head and giving his wife some peace. Hugs and blessings to you.

lol! I say things the wrong way all the time, so please don't feel like you've offended me. I was afraid I had offended you. lol

You and your husband are in my prayers.
 
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Thank you again c1ners, for your understanding and prayers!

I just came across an interesting blog along these lines (on christianblogs), and this one post jumped out at me. What do you think?

"Divorce is the product of a broken covenant. If the covenant is broken, why stay? Paul wrote that if two can not get along, go your separate ways. The choice is yours. Yes, God hates divorce, however, also know, immorality takes many forms besides adultry. A man is to love his wife as Christ loves the church and was willing to give his life for her. If he isn't willing to provide for his wife, he won't be willing to lay down his life for her either. A godly man follows Christ's example through the Word. Emotional abuse is just as dibilitating as physical. Read Malichi 2:13-16. The word treacherously is used 3 times. To God, the attitude of indifference to marriage vows AND duties are actions of a traitor."

I'm not ignoring, of course, all the posts about divorce being against Gods will, (and I certainly do not want it either) but found this particular post an interesting read, to be sure. Very compelling.
 
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Thank you again c1ners, for your understanding and prayers!

I just came across an interesting blog along these lines (on christianblogs), and this one post jumped out at me. What do you think?

"Divorce is the product of a broken covenant. If the covenant is broken, why stay? Paul wrote that if two can not get along, go your separate ways. The choice is yours. Yes, God hates divorce, however, also know, immorality takes many forms besides adultry. A man is to love his wife as Christ loves the church and was willing to give his life for her. If he isn't willing to provide for his wife, he won't be willing to lay down his life for her either. A godly man follows Christ's example through the Word. Emotional abuse is just as dibilitating as physical. Read Malichi 2:13-16. The word treacherously is used 3 times. To God, the attitude of indifference to marriage vows AND duties are actions of a traitor."

I'm not ignoring, of course, all the posts about divorce being against Gods will, (and I certainly do not want it either) but found this particular post an interesting read, to be sure. Very compelling.

Meh. The bolded part is human opinion, IMO. I don't think your husband's unemployment is a true unwillingness to provide or he wouldn't be out job hunting since you gave him the ultimatum. Also, other than not financially providing, you haven't indicated any issues. At least not any that directly tie to the marriage covenant and marriage vows.

If you look hard enough, you can find something that supports your "cause" so to speak. That can lead to dangerous thinking and blow things to a larger proportion than they really are sometimes.
 
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FaithPrevails - Your blessings donation and loving words made me cry. (And I don't need to cry anymore, really.. heh) Thank you so much for your support, I truly need it, and hope to be there for you someday. All good blessings to you also, and in all things.

I tried to send a PM to you saying this, but my post count is not high enough yet. I cannot express my gratitude enough to you and everyone here. It's been quite a day.

:hug: I'm glad you've found CF and hope that you find the fellowship and support you need here. :)
 
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Mizhop, you describe your husband as a man of character. Losing one's job is a huge blow to a man of character. It cuts deeply. And the prospect of a job search--and the likelihood of frequent rejection along the way--is paralyzing for a man, even years later. It takes a lot of mental energy to get "back in the saddle."

And you are NOT gong to solve your husband's insecurity about work by destroying his security at home.

This board is littered with stories of women who tried (and are still trying) to fix their husbands' job or money problems by nagging, yelling, making threats, and taking control of the finances away. The next one it works for will be the first.

Your husband's motivation is going to have to come from inside. The best thing you can do for him is to show him unconditional respect at home--show him he has value, that he is capable, and that you will stand by him through whatever rejection he faces. Prayer is also vital: God can help heal his wounds better than anyone or anything else.

As for the blog you posted: it's outright heresy. Keep your ears closed to the pro-divorce heretics. They're only out to add people to their bitter ranks because misery loves company.
 
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