Hundreds arrested after Pro-Palestinian demonstrators flood Cannon Rotunda, Capitol complex

[SoldierOfTheKing]

Hundreds arrested after Pro-Palestinian demonstrators flood Cannon Rotunda, Capitol complex​

U.S. Capitol Police put out an alert about the demonstrations, saying the activity was not allowed inside Congressional buildings. They worked for hours to clear the crowd that had grown inside. Police say they arrested about 300 people in total.

 

[USincognito]

Was there any beating of police with hockey sticks and thin blue line flags?

 

[essentialsaltes]

Was there any beating of police with hockey sticks and thin blue line flags?

Don't know about any weapons, but...

Of those detained, 305 were ticketed and released, and three others were held overnight on the additional charge of assault on a police officer and are expected to be seen in court Thursday, police said.

The arrests occurred after demonstrators, including American Jews and allies worried about Palestinians in Gaza, rallied on the National Mall.

“We are here to say, ‘Not in our name,’” Jay Saper said. “We are here as Jews — many descendants of survivors of genocide — to stop a genocide from unfolding in real time.”

The crowd inside Cannon included 400 American Jews and 25 rabbis who are against Israeli occupation and are demanding that Congress pass a cease-fire resolution, said Sonya Meyerson-Knox, a spokeswoman for Jewish Voice for Peace, a national Jewish anti-Zionist organization.

 

[Pommer]

Hundreds arrested after Pro-Palestinian demonstrators flood Cannon Rotunda, Capitol complex​

U.S. Capitol Police put out an alert about the demonstrations, saying the activity was not allowed inside Congressional buildings. They worked for hours to clear the crowd that had grown inside. Police say they arrested about 300 people in total.

Well, at least they won’t be charged with disrupting Congressional sessions, since without a Speaker, those cannot happen anyways.

 

[USincognito]

Don't know about any weapons, but...

Of those detained, 305 were ticketed and released, and three others were held overnight on the additional charge of assault on a police officer and are expected to be seen in court Thursday, police said.

The arrests occurred after demonstrators, including American Jews and allies worried about Palestinians in Gaza, rallied on the National Mall.

“We are here to say, ‘Not in our name,’” Jay Saper said. “We are here as Jews — many descendants of survivors of genocide — to stop a genocide from unfolding in real time.”

The crowd inside Cannon included 400 American Jews and 25 rabbis who are against Israeli occupation and are demanding that Congress pass a cease-fire resolution, said Sonya Meyerson-Knox, a spokeswoman for Jewish Voice for Peace, a national Jewish anti-Zionist organization.

I saw someone wearing a tallit being escorted out of the building which struck me as odd because the initial commentary I was seeing on Twitter gave the impression it was an "insurrection" by "leftists" and pro-Hamas Palestinians.

The Conservisphere has never had any problem with lying, so this revelation doesn't surprise me.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

It should be noted that while the group that was heavily involved in this is called "Jewish voice for Peace", that's another case of a radical group using a semantically "noble sounding" name in order to tip the scales of public opinion.

A little background:

You are being redirected...

...JVP only seems to take issue with antisemitism when it's coming from right-wing and/or Christian sources.
...JVP really plays up their Jewish ancestry when convenient, they'll wear the Jewish "garb" (to give credibility to their critiques of Israel), but often times wear it incorrectly (a likely indicator that they don't typically wear it and are doing it for show). For instance, if you see a person incorrectly wearing a tallit while simultaneously having a tattoo sleeve that features pride symbolism, that should be a red flag...anyone "orthodox enough" to abide by wearing some of those garments would be orthodox enough to abide by the "no tattoos" rule). The same way it would be if someone really amping up their Jewish ancestry (in order to give their position de facto credibility) was doing so while eating a ham & cheese sandwich at a bar on Saturday.

JVP is basically the left-wing equivalent to when some right-wing folks will highlight & amplify situations like these:

and say "see, the confederate flag has nothing to do with racism!"


Now, the flip side...I've seen many conservative pundits trying to make the claim that this is equivalent to Jan 6th with lines like "well, why aren't you calling this an insurrection??? why aren't these people getting years in prison". The answer is that intent is everything. Trespassing and causing a disturbance for reasons of getting attention for a misguided activist cause aimed at critiquing US foreign policy isn't the same as doing so for reasons of "I want to do this because I want to prevent the proper transfer of power and prevent the democratic process from taking its course because my guy didn't win"


The same way that, if I was spray-painting "Rob was here" on the side of a house, it would be a very different punishment than if I spray painted "you're gonna die, I'm following you!" on the same house.

Yes, both are the physical act of me getting a can of paint, and spraying words on a wall, however, the implications and intent are very different.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

Now, the flip side...I've seen many conservative pundits trying to make the claim that this is equivalent to Jan 6th with lines like "well, why aren't you calling this an insurrection??? why aren't these people getting years in prison". The answer is that intent is everything. Trespassing and causing a disturbance for reasons of getting attention for a misguided activist cause aimed at critiquing US foreign policy isn't the same as doing so for reasons of "I want to do this because I want to prevent the proper transfer of power and prevent the democratic process from taking its course because my guy didn't win"

All those long sentences handed out due convenient assumptions on part of the federal government on what the protesters’ intent was? That has politically motivated prosecution written all over it.

 

[essentialsaltes]

All those long sentences handed out due convenient assumptions on part of the federal government on what the protesters’ intent was?

Several Oath Keepers pleaded guilty to having seditious intent, and testified to the seditious intent of others. This is not an assumption.

 

[Valletta]

Several Oath Keepers pleaded guilty to having seditious intent, and testified to the seditious intent of others. This is not an assumption.

We need to preserve all of the video of this violent pro-Palestinian Capitol attack that stopped the process of selecting a Speaker of the House. They must receive equivalent sentences to those on January 6th.

 

[JustOneWay]

We need to preserve all of the video of this violent pro-Palestinian Capitol attack that stopped the process of selecting a Speaker of the House. They must receive equivalent sentences to those on January 6th.

The obvious attempt to compare this to Jan 6th fails....

 

[essentialsaltes]

We need to preserve all of the video of this violent pro-Palestinian Capitol

Cannon Buidling

attack

protest

that stopped the process of selecting a Speaker of the House.

that did not happen. Jordan lost the second ballot around 1pm on the 18th and the chamber recessed. Jordan put off the next ballot to Thursday to again try to drum up support.

The afternoon protest did not stop any process.

Collect all the video you want. These protestors will mostly get the same zero prison time that most of the touristic Jan 6 folk got. The three charged with assaulting police will presumably get more if found guilty.

 

[JustOneWay]

Was there any beating of police with hockey sticks and thin blue line flags?

There was chanting and singing. Anybody who has heard Karaoke understands this can be considered terror - on the ears of course!

 

[KCfromNC]

The obvious attempt to compare this to Jan 6th fails....

One hopes this really isn't the best the GOP has to offer. But then again, hope isn't a plan.

 

[ThatRobGuy]

All those long sentences handed out due convenient assumptions on part of the federal government on what the protesters’ intent was? That has politically motivated prosecution written all over it.

A) It wasn't assumptions, there were plenty who plead guilty to the exact change in question.

B) Yes, what the bad actors' intent is/was is crucial to the sentencing. It's not political persecution if Faction A happens to commit a more egregious version of a criminal act than Faction B.


I'll refer back to my other example, it's the difference between me spray painting "Rob was here" (or some other meaningless statement on the side of house) vs. me spray painting "I've been following you, you're going to die soon!". Both involve the physical act of me picking up a can of spray paint, and vandalizing property that's not my own. The latter carries a much harsher charge.


Or perhaps a more commonplace analogy. Phony phone calls...those are against the rules.

If a Democrat places a bogus phone call to a hospital and says "Is your refrigerator running? Well you better go catch it!" and gets a $50 fine... and a month later, a Republican places a bogus phone call to to the same hospital, but says "There's a bomb in your building set to go off in 2 hours" and gets 6 months in prison, the latter can't really claim "double-standard/persecution" for getting a much harsher penalty given the impacts and implications of the differing intent.

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

Several Oath Keepers pleaded guilty to having seditious intent, and testified to the seditious intent of others. This is not an assumption.

Presumably, you know how the plea bargaining system works...

The obvious attempt to compare this to Jan 6th fails....

I didn't mention Jan 6th in my OP. If the comparison is obvious, it can only be because the parallels are obvious.

 

[essentialsaltes]

Presumably, you know how the plea bargaining system works...

I know how testimony under oath goes.

 

[Reasonably Sane]

The only comment I need to make about this: We are headed for very interesting times - in the vein of the last line of my signature comments below.