Hummingbirds Disprove Creationism

[Colter]

Only if you dis-believe YHWH and believe instead men who are deceived.
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Not according to YHWH HIMSELF, and HIS WORD.

Yahweh didn't write the creation story, holy men did.

 

[Dale]

See also: how did penguins get to Antarctica? How did the entire Australian biota get there, without leaving any fossils or descendants along the route?

It is even more remarkable that penguins made it to Antarctica but never made it to the arctic. It sure looks like they evolved in Antarctica.

The whole question of why God would create a flightless bird is a good question in itself. In the case of penguins, they swim with their wings. For most flightless birds, the wings just aren't strong enough to get them off the ground. Why exactly would God make such an animal? It makes perfect sense as the result of a historical process. Birds that can fly land on an island. Then their descendants, having plenty to eat without flying, lose the ability to fly. Why maintain wings that aren't needed?

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

It is even more remarkable that penguins made it to Antarctica but never made it to the arctic.

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the ones that made it to the arctic,
were supper.

(for the polar bears, etc, and t.penguin rex)

 

[Dale]

Since we're getting quotes from A. Einstein on this thread, I'll add one. I received this one in an email today.

"The measuer of intelligence is the ability to change."

In other words, the intelligent person is one who changes their opinions when the evidence warrants it.

 

[-57]

Question for the Creationists:
How did hummingbirds get to the Americas without passing through Asia?

They flew.

 

[-57]

See also: how did penguins get to Antarctica? How did the entire Australian biota get there, without leaving any fossils or descendants along the route?

Almost all fossils are flood deposits. Why would you expect to see a post flood fossil trail?

 

[-57]

I have quoted the passage about seven pairs to creationists before. You're not telling me anything I don't know about. Creationists have always corrected me, saying that applies to clean animals.

As far as the distribution of hummingbirds around the world, one pair or seven pairs makes no difference. Either way, we still need to know how they got to the Americas without colonizing Asia. I don't see any way it could be done or any reason to believe it would happen that way.

The The passenger pigeon is extinct.
These flocks were frequently described as being so dense that they blackened the sky and as having no sign of subdivisions.

With all of those pigeons...you think the USA would be loaded with their fossils.

 

[-57]

Yahweh didn't write the creation story, holy men did.

Inspired by God Holy men.

 

[Dale]

They flew.

Why didn't hummingbirds colonize Asia as they passed through?
That's what they would have done if they followed their natural instincts.

 

[Dale]

Almost all fossils are flood deposits. Why would you expect to see a post flood fossil trail?

I don't agree that all or even most fossils are flood deposits.
Saber tooth tiger fossils have been recovered from tar pits.
Insect fossilize when they are encased in tree sap.

The Smithsonian had an exhibit of a man, an American, who died about the time of the American Revolution. His body fossilized. It was fossilized by underground mineral water.

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

Why didn't hummingbirds colonize Asia as they passed through?
That's what they would have done if they followed their natural instincts.

Not at all.
Anyway, they made good tasting soup in asia,
so those who could kept going.

 

[chevyontheriver]

A few facts and a conclusion:

Hummingbirds live in the Americas but not in the Old World of Europe, Africa or Asia.
There are hundreds of hummingbird species in South America but only 15 to 17 in North America.
Conclusion: It looks like hummingbirds evolved in South America.


The Creationist view:

According to Creationists, there were only two hummingbirds on earth when Noah and the Ark landed on Mt. Ararat, or the Ararat range. This happened a few thousand years ago.

If all the hummingbird species in the world are descended from two birds a few thousand years ago, we would expect the greatest number of species to be near the point of origin. Given that hummingbirds aren't evenly distributed throughout the world, we would expect the greatest number of species to be within one or two thousand miles of where they started. Perhaps it isn't surprising that these small birds haven't been able to colonize the entire world. Any creationist would expect to find the greatest variety of these birds near the Ararat range.


Question for the Creationists:
How did hummingbirds get to the Americas without passing through Asia?

Passenger pigeons disprove something too. I suppose. Just saying that for fun.

 

[-57]

I don't agree that all or even most fossils are flood deposits.
Saber tooth tiger fossils have been recovered from tar pits.
Insect fossilize when they are encased in tree sap.

The Smithsonian had an exhibit of a man, an American, who died about the time of the American Revolution. His body fossilized. It was fossilized by underground mineral water.

That's why I said most.

 

[Wunderlust]

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Nothing.

You sound like Donald Trump.

 

[Wunderlust]

No, it was Einstein who said that time is an illusion.

Time is relative, not an illusion.

 

[Wunderlust]

The point I was making...is that since biological sources do not agree, if you take the scientific side, it is nothing more than a matter of what you believe.

No, science is based on actual proof, and what is the most likely to have occurred given the evidence. Creationism is a rejection of all evidence to subscribe to man-made nonsense.

 

[ScottA]

No, science is based on actual proof, and what is the most likely to have occurred given the evidence. Creationism is a rejection of all evidence to subscribe to man-made nonsense.

And what do you call a Christian who rejects the word of God and leans on his own understanding?

 

[ScottA]

Time is relative, not an illusion.

Shows how much you know.

 

[Armoured]

Almost all fossils are flood deposits. Why would you expect to see a post flood fossil trail?

...because floods are fairly regular occurences? How about descendents? How about any other form of fossil that doesn't require flooding, like foot prints, coproliths or amber?

 

[Armoured]

They flew.

Despite hummingbirds not having the necessary flight capability or habitat range necessary, sure. OK.