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You can only go back as far as the physical evidence present from which scientists can draw their theory fromEvolution might not fit genesis but we shouldnt be taking things so literal esp when there's so much evidence to support evolution, the big bang, and the science of our universe
You can only go back as far as the physical evidence present from which scientists can draw their theory from
You can't go back to the beginning
From the original starting point before "evolution" (change) occurred
SeeWe don't need to go back to the beginning to know that evolution occurred. That is a common mistake that creationists make.
For example we do not need to go back to the night of your conception to know that you are a human being.
We can go back "far enough" to understand that all life is the product of evolution. We can go back far enough to know that the Bible is wrong if read literally.
If you want to limit God to abiogenesis that is not too far off from the truth. Though when that is explained you will need to move the goalposts again. But it still means that the stories of Genesis are refuted.See
The "creature" was there already and you can't go back to the very first..
"conception"
Limit HIM?If you want to limit God to abiogenesis that is not too far off from the truth. Though when that is explained you will need to move the goalposts again. But it still means that the stories of Genesis are refuted.
You do, in many ways--for instance in the way the universe and life were created, and as to the kind of written text He is allowed to inspire.Limit HIM?
I don't think it is I who is limiting HIM
You imply that HE takes present material in order to createYou do, in many ways--for instance in the way the universe and life were created, and as to the kind of written text He is allowed to inspire.
HE, being the creator?You do, in many ways--for instance in the way the universe and life were created, and as to the kind of written text He is allowed to inspire.
Good question. Creation ex materia is a respectable theological position, once popular with Christians (and taught by some Christian bodies still) until it was suppressed in favor of creation ex nihilo as a defense against Gnostic dualism.You imply that HE takes present material in order to create
Who provided the present material
Once popular with those who believe in THE CREATOR of the universe and all that exists in it?Good question. Creation ex materia is a respectable theological position, once popular with Christians (and taught by some Christian bodies still) until it was suppressed in favor of creation ex nihilo as a defense against Gnostic dualism.
Yes. The third possibility is creation ex deo, in which God creates the universe out of His own being. All are equally biblical and have been advanced by theologians at one time or another.Once popular with those who believe in THE CREATOR of the universe and all that exists in it?
Hmmm
Gnostics'Gnostic dualism?
Whose thinking is that?
God's
Or man's
They had to make a comparison inYes.
Gnostics'
Evidently; there are very few Gnostics around these days.They had to make a comparison in
the evidence before them in order to decide with their "intellect" what should be considered good and what should be considered bad
There has to be something present and there has to be some sort of manmade input and involvement (through their natural imperfect senses) to come to a conclusion that something is good or bad
And isn't that relative and subject to change also
It doesn't. But the popularity of the Manichaean heresy in early Christian times was what motivated Christian theologians of the time to favor creation ex nihilo over creation ex materia.I'm not really sure how gnostic dualism has anything to do with the original starting point of creation
So what again is your opinion that "Christians" no longer hold to?It doesn't. But the popularity of the Manichaean heresy in early Christian times was what motivated Christian theologians of the time to favor creation ex nihilo over creation ex materia.
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