Humans aren't apes... but biologically how?

[VirOptimus]

well some yeah, but they are harder to detect, where as it's easier to look for coding genes, since they code for things they are more likly to be preserved over longer times, and only neutral or important changes are likly to be preseved. So they look at the parts that likly make up the bulk of the genetic differenecs between us and apes.

Humans are apes.

 

[loveofourlord]

Humans are apes.

Sorry heh I meant other apes :> Posted that half asleep.

 

[VirOptimus]

Sorry heh I meant other apes :> Posted that half asleep.

No worries, I presumed you did!

 

[PsychoSarah]

are you saying that human doesnt realy look different compare to other apes?

Objectively, we heavily resemble other apes sans fur. https://i.pinimg.com/originals/64/83/cf/6483cfa56401dc0eb2e7017644b6f2a0.jpg

Of course, all different ape species have some differences, hence why they aren't all considered to be the same species. It's not like you can't tell a gorilla from an orangutan. Heck, even a child could look at pictures of those animals and tell that they aren't the same exact thing, but said child could equally tell that they have some similarities.

Ever heard of the uncanny valley? When something appears human enough for you to notice it, but not enough to pass as human, and how weird it feels to look at things like that? That too is a product of the processes in your brain that serve to recognize other humans. If it were just humans standing out as objectively special, things like mannequins and clowns wouldn't freak people out so much.

 

[dad]

Humans have never evolved away from being apes. We have arms with fully extending elbows ( monkeys don’t) a hyperflexible shoulder girdle which allows our arms to hang freely and swing around ( again,monkeys don’t) a scapula that is in the back( ditto) a wide flattened rib cage (ditto) . All traits for tree swinging . We can tree-swing (gymnasts do it easily) but we also have very long legs which makes this more difficult.

I wonder if Eve was swinging in the tree of knowledge of good and evil?

 

[Brightmoon]

I wonder if Eve was swinging in the tree of knowledge of good and evil?

Since Homo sapiens can tree swing for a little while I’d have to say probably yes

 

[dad]

Since Homo sapiens can tree swing for a little while I’d have to say probably yes

OK, so you say Eve was swinging in the tree. Did she then offer Adam a banana, and pick lice from his head?

 

[Brightmoon]

Probably since humans have at least 3 different species of lice that infest them . Doubt if she gave him a banana as they are a relatively recent domesticated clone

 

[dad]

Probably since humans have at least 3 different species of lice that infest them . Doubt if she gave him a banana as they are a relatively recent domesticated clone

Nice try, but lice were not in paradise/eden.

 

[AnotherAtheist]

Nice try, but lice were not in paradise/eden.

And you know this ... how?

 

[tas8831]

Nice try, but lice were not in paradise/eden.

Were they not all part of the Divine Plan?

If not, how do you know? Surely not through evidence - chapter and verse please!

LOL!

 

[dad]

And you know this ... how?

In Gen 3:17-18 we see that the ground was cursed, and would now bring forth things like thistles and thorns. We also no longer see a harmony with animals, and talking to them, etc. In the future when the curse is removed, we see that serpents no longer bother us or animals and nature is in harmony again.

Unless you think lice are a good thing and not a bother and pest, and less than ideal...we can include these parasites and bloodsuckers in the results of the curse.

I do not think Eve was a knuckle dragging, tree swinging, lice infested monkey woman when she chatted with the creature in the tree.

 

[dad]

Since Homo sapiens can tree swing for a little while I’d have to say probably yes

Yet the bible never says man was a tree creature. God walked with man in the garden, not swung from trees with us.

 

[AnotherAtheist]

In Gen 3:17-18 we see that the ground was cursed, and would now bring forth things like thistles and thorns. We also no longer see a harmony with animals, and talking to them, etc. In the future when the curse is removed, we see that serpents no longer bother us or animals and nature is in harmony again.

Unless you think lice are a good thing and not a bother and pest, and less than ideal...we can include these parasites and bloodsuckers in the results of the curse.

Thistles and thorns are not lice. Is there a translation that includes lice? Because the NIV doesn't. It only talks about plants. If it mentioned ear-wigs or something it would be a reasonable inference that lice would be included. But, it doesn't.

I do not think Eve was a knuckle dragging, tree swinging, lice infested monkey woman when she chatted with the creature in the tree.

I don't think so either. Because as a person who never existed, she was never anything at all.

 

[dad]

Thistles and thorns are not lice.

Nor are they venom...yet they were not in Eden. Nor will they be here when the curse is removed.

Is there a translation that includes lice? Because the NIV doesn't. It only talks about plants. If it mentioned ear-wigs or something it would be a reasonable inference that lice would be included. But, it doesn't.

Blood sucking parasites do not fit into a paradise of God.

I don't think so either. Because as a person who never existed, she was never anything at all.

You are not qualified to say whether Eve existed in any way whatsoever actually. Appeal from ignorance.

 

[AnotherAtheist]

Nor are they venom...yet they were not in Eden. Nor will they be here when the curse is removed.

Blood sucking parasites do not fit into a paradise of God.

How do you know that? Your Bible reference mentioned thorny plants only. There could have been lice that groomed Adam and Eve and they only started sucking blood after the fall.

You are not qualified to say whether Eve existed in any way whatsoever actually. Appeal from ignorance.

Are you qualified to say whether or not Embla was the first woman after being created from a tree-trunk by Odin? If are you qualified to say that she didn't, then that surely means that I have an equal qualification to say that Eve never existed. If you say you are not qualified to say that, then you're saying that you can't say that Christianity is true as you don't know whether the Christian creation myth or the Norse creation myth is correct. If you claim that Embla and Eve are the same person, then you have to admit that the religious books describing them are unreliable because they describe the same events differently. If you claim that only the Norse account is wrong, then can you provide evidence of that?

 

[dad]

How do you know that? Your Bible reference mentioned thorny plants only. There could have been lice that groomed Adam and Eve and they only started sucking blood after the fall.

Nothing will hurt or destroy in paradise. Why would you assume it was infested with lice?

Are you qualified to say whether or not Embla was the first woman after being created from a tree-trunk by Odin?

Yes. I am.

If are you qualified to say that she didn't, then that surely means that I have an equal qualification to say that Eve never existed. If you say you are not qualified to say that, then you're saying that you can't say that Christianity is true as you don't know whether the Christian creation myth or the Norse creation myth is correct. If you claim that Embla and Eve are the same person, then you have to admit that the religious books describing them are unreliable because they describe the same events differently. If you claim that only the Norse account is wrong, then can you provide evidence of that?

That has what to do with the topic?

 

[AnotherAtheist]

Nothing will hurt or destroy in paradise. Why would you assume it was infested with lice?

I'm not assuming anything. I'm questioning your claims to know things.

Yes. I am.

Just claiming knowledge and certainty doesn't mean that you have knowledge and certainty.

That has what to do with the topic?

I'm pointing out the illogic of what you are saying. I note that you haven't been able to address that. If you say that I have no basis for saying whether or not Eve exists, then how do you have any basis for saying whether or not the first men/women of other creation myths existed or not? And if you don't, then how can you have certainty in Eve?

 

[dad]

I'm not assuming anything. I'm questioning your claims to know things.



Just claiming knowledge and certainty doesn't mean that you have knowledge and certainty.



I'm pointing out the illogic of what you are saying. I note that you haven't been able to address that. If you say that I have no basis for saying whether or not Eve exists, then how do you have any basis for saying whether or not the first men/women of other creation myths existed or not? And if you don't, then how can you have certainty in Eve?

The basis for Eve existing is the Jesus verified Scripture.

Science has no clue. So science has no basis for saying Eve existed or did not exist.

So tell us by what authority you claim to say scripture has no authority?

 

[Tayla]

We share virtually the exact same body structures, albeit with structurally differences based on arboreal living conditions.
We are all mammals, with warm blood, with females giving live births and breastfeeding from external mammary glands.

Just because there are similarities doesn't mean we are the same or that we have a common ancestor. Rather, it means we were designed within the restrictions of this physical universe by the same designer, God.