Humans are unique, not evolved

The Barbarian · Aug 18, 2023

Jonathan_Gale said:
That “extreme right” is just a boogeyman label.

More than that. It's become the major terrorist threat in the United States:

Trump's FBI director:
Wray’s testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee, his first before Congress since the insurrection, was one in a series of hearings centered on the law enforcement response to the Capitol insurrection. Lawmakers pressed him not only about possible intelligence and communication failures ahead of the riot but also about the threat of violence from white supremacists, militias and other extremists that the FBI says it is prioritizing with the same urgency as the menace of international terrorism organizations.

“Jan. 6 was not an isolated event. The problem of domestic terrorism has been metastasizing across the country for a long time now and it’s not going away anytime soon,” Wray told lawmakers. “At the FBI, we’ve been sounding the alarm on it for a number of years now.”

FBI chief warns violent 'domestic terrorism' growing in US

WASHINGTON (AP) — FBI Director Christopher Wray bluntly labeled the January riot at the U.S. Capitol as “domestic terrorism” Tuesday and warned of a rapidly growing threat of homegrown violent extremism that law enforcement is scrambling to confront through thousands of investigations.

apnews.com

Jonathan_Gale said:
This is nothing but a strategy to dehumanize your opponent.

Is calling ISIS "terrorism" dehumanizing them? This is just the new reality in America.

Jonathan_Gale · Aug 18, 2023

The Barbarian said:
More than that. It's become the major terrorist threat in the United States:

Trump's FBI director:
Wray’s testimony before the Senate Judiciary Committee, his first before Congress since the insurrection, was one in a series of hearings centered on the law enforcement response to the Capitol insurrection. Lawmakers pressed him not only about possible intelligence and communication failures ahead of the riot but also about the threat of violence from white supremacists, militias and other extremists that the FBI says it is prioritizing with the same urgency as the menace of international terrorism organizations.

“Jan. 6 was not an isolated event. The problem of domestic terrorism has been metastasizing across the country for a long time now and it’s not going away anytime soon,” Wray told lawmakers. “At the FBI, we’ve been sounding the alarm on it for a number of years now.”

FBI chief warns violent 'domestic terrorism' growing in US

WASHINGTON (AP) — FBI Director Christopher Wray bluntly labeled the January riot at the U.S. Capitol as “domestic terrorism” Tuesday and warned of a rapidly growing threat of homegrown violent extremism that law enforcement is scrambling to confront through thousands of investigations.

apnews.com

Is calling ISIS "terrorism" dehumanizing them? This is just the new reality in America.

Man, why do you even bother to hang around here if you are on the government’s side? And taking that sleazeball director Wray seriously? I come here to seek shelter, not to pick up a fight, to be honest. Call be “extreme right” if you want, I’ll take that as a badge of honor. It’s not the reality, it’s just your reality in your information bubble which I pointed out before.

Jonathan_Gale · Aug 18, 2023

The Barbarian said:
Minds, gene, bodies all make gender. If we are lucky it all lines up "correctly." If not, then things get strange. Such people deserve our respect and compassion, not anger and vindictiveness.

intersex is a natural phenomenon, transgender is unethical social engineering and medical experiment, which doesn’t deserve any respect or compassion. If you don’t know that, you’re still under a rock, nothing you copy paste matters, you just repeat what’s planted in your mind.

The Barbarian · Aug 18, 2023

Jonathan_Gale said:
intersex is a natural phenomenon, transgender is unethical social engineering and medical experiment, which doesn’t deserve any respect or compassion.

You've confused the medical diagnosis with the actual problems some people have.

The Barbarian · Aug 18, 2023

Jonathan_Gale said:
Man, why do you even bother to hang around here if you are on the government’s side?

Actually, I'm opposed to the terrorists. Why would you hang around here, if you aren't?

The Barbarian · Aug 18, 2023

Jonathan_Gale said:
It’s not the reality, it’s just your reality in your information bubble which I pointed out before.

The data is very clear...

Since 2015, right-wing extremists have been involved in 267 plots or attacks and 91 fatalities, the data shows. At the same time, attacks and plots ascribed to far-left views accounted for 66 incidents leading to 19 deaths.

“What is most concerning is that the number of domestic terror plots and attacks are at the highest they have been in decades,” said Seth Jones, director of the database project at CSIS, a nonpartisan Washington-based nonprofit that specializes in national security issues. “It’s so important for Americans to understand the gravity of the threat before it gets worse.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2021/domestic-terrorism-data/

Reality is often not what we want it to be, but it is real.

Jonathan_Gale · Aug 18, 2023

The Barbarian said:
You've confused the medical diagnosis with the actual problems some people have.

No I didn't, I made a clear distinction.

The Barbarian said:
Actually, I'm opposed to the terrorists. Why would you hang around here, if you aren't?

I'm a opposed to dehumanizing people you don't like by putting labels on them, "terrotist" included.

The Barbarian · Aug 18, 2023

Jonathan_Gale said:
I'm a opposed to dehumanizing people you don't like by putting labels on them, "terrotist" included.

There's a very clear legal definition for the word. And it's no more dehumanizing than any other term for a person who does a specific thing.

Jonathan_Gale · Aug 18, 2023

The Barbarian said:
The data is very clear...

Since 2015, right-wing extremists have been involved in 267 plots or attacks and 91 fatalities, the data shows. At the same time, attacks and plots ascribed to far-left views accounted for 66 incidents leading to 19 deaths.

“What is most concerning is that the number of domestic terror plots and attacks are at the highest they have been in decades,” said Seth Jones, director of the database project at CSIS, a nonpartisan Washington-based nonprofit that specializes in national security issues. “It’s so important for Americans to understand the gravity of the threat before it gets worse.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2021/domestic-terrorism-data/

Reality is often not what we want it to be, but it is real.

OK, nighty night, friend, I'll pray for you to not be labelled a right-wing extremist or terrorist. Again, the sin is neither "rightwing" or "leftwing", but identifying and stereotyping people with these labels.

Jonathan_Gale · Aug 18, 2023

The Barbarian said:
There's a very clear legal definition for the word. And it's no more dehumanizing than any other term for a person who does a specific thing.

No there's not. The government can call anybody they don't like a terrorist. I didn't blow up any building or shoot anybody or protest on any street, but just by declaring God made male and female, I could be labeled as a "domestic terrorist."

The Barbarian · Aug 19, 2023

There's a very clear legal definition for the word.

Jonathan_Gale said:
No there's not.

Domestic terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.

Terrorism | Federal Bureau of Investigation

To counter terrorism, the FBI's top investigative priority, we use our investigative and intelligence capabilities to neutralize domestic extremists and help dismantle terrorist networks worldwide.

www.fbi.gov

Jonathan_Gale said:
The government can call anybody they don't like a terrorist.

Trump and some of his followers did. But of course, making it stick in court is a different issue.

Jonathan_Gale said:
I didn't blow up any building or shoot anybody or protest on any street, but just by declaring God made male and female, I could be labeled as a "domestic terrorist."

See above. You've been badly misled there.

Jonathan_Gale · Aug 19, 2023

The Barbarian said:
There's a very clear legal definition for the word.

Domestic terrorism: Violent, criminal acts committed by individuals and/or groups to further ideological goals stemming from domestic influences, such as those of a political, religious, social, racial, or environmental nature.

Terrorism | Federal Bureau of Investigation

To counter terrorism, the FBI's top investigative priority, we use our investigative and intelligence capabilities to neutralize domestic extremists and help dismantle terrorist networks worldwide.

www.fbi.gov

Trump and some of his followers did. But of course, making it stick in court is a different issue.

See above. You've been badly misled there.

OK have a good day sir. I've never mentioned Trump or his "followers", how come did you go there? How come you still so obsessed with him? I'm here for Jesus, not Trump.

The Barbarian · Aug 19, 2023

Jonathan_Gale said:
OK have a good day sir. I've never mentioned Trump or his "followers", how come did you go there?

It was just an example of the behavior you mentioned. And as you see, there's very clear definition for "domestic terrorist" in our legal system.

Jonathan_Gale · Aug 19, 2023

The Barbarian said:
It was just an example of the behavior you mentioned. And as you see, there's very clear definition for "domestic terrorist" in our legal system.

No, it was not. That’s a sign of “Trump derangement syndrome”. Stop watching news and get over it, man.

The Barbarian · Aug 19, 2023

It was just an example of the behavior you mentioned. And as you see, there's very clear definition for "domestic terrorist" in our legal system.

Jonathan_Gale said:
No, it was not.

It is...
Capitol police officer reminds the House what terrorism is:

Jonathan_Gale said:
That’s a sign of “Trump derangement syndrome”.

Some of them, yes...

Jonathan_Gale · Aug 19, 2023

The Barbarian said:
It was just an example of the behavior you mentioned. And as you see, there's very clear definition for "domestic terrorist" in our legal system.

It is...
Capitol police officer reminds the House what terrorism is:

Some of them, yes...

Keep your propaganda to yourself, I’m not gonna join your three minute of hate session. Trump might be your Goldstein, but not mine.

Diamond72 · Aug 20, 2023

The Barbarian said:
If anything we've become willing to grant equal rights to more people recently. Homosexuals, for example.

As Christians we can not approve of what they are doing. We can sell them a cake but we are not required to decorate it for them.

Romans 1 32 "Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them."

The people that want approval are usually the quickest to condemn others. They are not willing to do for others what they want people to do for them.

My wife does not accept same sex marriage. She will not say anything to them about it and will avoid talking about it if she can. I guess it is the old way that what people do in their closet is their own business. It is not our place to judge but we can not give them approval.

The Barbarian · Aug 20, 2023

Jonathan_Gale said:
Keep your propaganda to yourself,

He's a police officer, reminding Congress what a domestic terrorist is. He directly experienced an attack by domestic terrorists.

Jonathan_Gale said:
I’m not gonna join your three minute of hate session.

He didn't say he hated the terrorists. He merely noted what they did, and that it fit the legal definition.

Jonathan_Gale said:
Trump might be your Goldstein,

Are you claiming that Trump attacked the Capitol? The indictment merely notes that he encouraged it.

SeventhFisherofMen · Aug 20, 2023

Aussie Pete said:
Did Humans’ Unique Skeletal Architecture Evolve? – CEH

crev.info

There is no evidence to suggest that apes evolved into humans. In spite of researcher's best efforts, all they can come up with is termes like "likely", "may have" and "suggest" when attempting to force the square peg of evolution into the round hole of Creation. Read and enjoy!

i agree. And that's not just with humans and the "missing link" (gee i wonder why it's called "missing" )

There's literally a "missing" link for ALL species!!! It's almost like they are all unique and created! Oh and when people who believe in evolution use adaptation to prove evolution, adaptation is completely a real thing, in fact I adapt to the temperature of my shower every morning, but i sure as heck didn't come from a monkey no matter how similar humans might be to monkeys. I mean the flaw in that logic: we came from monkeys yet there's still monkeys and humans living separately, and we came from monkeys but there's not a single in between fossil of monkeys and humans, yet alone a single living in-between monkey and human alive at all!

The Barbarian · Aug 20, 2023

SeventhFisherofMen said:
i agree. And that's not just with humans and the "missing link" (gee i wonder why it's called "missing" )

No, it's "missing lynx." And they found it:

Lynx issiodorensis - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

As your fellow YE creationist Dr. Kurt Wise writes, the large number of hominid fossils is some of the "very good evidence for macroevolutionary theory." Would you like to see some of that?

SeventhFisherofMen said:
There's literally a "missing" link for ALL species!!! It's almost like they are all unique and created!

Dr. Wise rebutted that belief by citing numerous examples of transitional series.

Evidences for Darwin’s second expectation — of stratomorphic intermediate species —include such species as Baragwanathia27 (between rhyniophytes and lycopods), Pikaia28 (between echinoderms and chordates), Purgatorius29 (between the tree shrews and the primates), and Proconsul30 (between the non-hominoid primates and the hominoids). Darwin’s third expectation — of higher-taxon stratomorphic intermediates — has been confirmed by such examples as the mammal-like reptile groups31 between the reptiles and the mammals, and the phenacodontids32 between the horses and their presumed ancestors. Darwin’s fourth expectation — of stratomorphic series — has been confirmed by such examples as the early bird series,33 the tetrapod series,34,35 the whale series,36 the various mammal series of the Cenozoic37 (for example, the horse series, the camel series, the elephant series, the pig series, the titanothere series, etc.), the Cantius and Plesiadapus primate series,38 and the hominid series.39 Evidence for not just one but for all three of the species level and above types of stratomorphic intermediates expected macroevolutionary theory is surely strong evidence for macroevolutionary theory. Creationists therefore need to accept this fact. It certain CANNOT be said that traditional creation theory expected (predicted) any of these fossil finds.
Dr. Kurt Wise Toward a Creationist Understanding of Transitional Forms

Even more convincing, there are no transitional forms where evolutionary theory does not predict them.

SeventhFisherofMen said:
Oh and when people who believe in evolution use adaptation to prove evolution, adaptation is completely a real thing, in fact I adapt to the temperature of my shower every morning,

You've confused adaptation with evolution.

Your skin getting red in the shower is adaptation, but not evolution.
A mutation that happens to do nothing is evolution, but not adaptation.
A mutation that allows Tibetans to safely live at high altitudes is adaptation and evolution.

I get it; it's easy to confuse the two, but this should help.

SeventhFisherofMen said:
but i sure as heck didn't come from a monkey no matter how similar humans might be to monkeys.

If you did it would invalidate evolutionary theory. Evolution happens to populations, not individuals.

SeventhFisherofMen said:
but there's not a single in between fossil of monkeys and humans

If there was, it would be peculiar, since humans evolved from other apes, not monkeys.
But there are dozens of transitional hominids between other apes and humans:
Here are some of the more important ones:

List of human evolution fossils - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

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