Humans are natural born warriors

[bèlla]

Most humans are not natural warriors. They are sheeple who blindly submit themselves to authority, frequently intimidated and afraid, and cling to worldly systems, intellectual models, and authority figures for a sense of security. They cling to other people for a sense of validation and purpose. They are not fighters.

I agree with this statement and it holds true for all groups including christians. I’m establishing that principle early on for another I’ll address in your response.

The reason that you think that we are all fighters is that you have spent too much time on the Internet. The violent voices that stand up against the so called evils are part of the Internet system they are submitting to and the outrage-for-clicks model.

This is partially true. Most internet users aren’t content creators and I’ve been in this medium before social media existed. There were always debates. Even in the early days. But the majority centered on issues and were argued intelligently. You‘d expect to see references and other criteria that supported their position. There were idiots too but they weren’t the primary voices and we understood their behavior was largely the result of anonymity.

As the internet matured and began to impact relationships outside of the realm and forced many to seek engagement in this space the outbursts increased. It was no longer a matter of acting out. There were grievances they couldn’t address that eventually spilled out in this setting. It became the place to be heard. Where you could say what hurts without concern. This eventually led to lashing out and bullying down the road.

The less togetherness we see in society the more toxic things become in this realm. The human connection is diminishing and this isn’t enough to feed it. When we came online we had a life and this was entertainment. It wasn’t a substitute for friends or the norm for meeting people or suitors. Real life was foremost.

The rage bait you’ve referenced is possible because we’ve reached this point and most are parched to some degree. And that’s the button they press to make them trigger.

The violence is just their way of defending themselves against people who won’t validate them.

The internet is filled with people seeking validation and approval. But that isn’t the fault of the medium in itself in total. It’s a reflection of what they’re not receiving elsewhere and desiring in this space.

A warrior fights from his or her beliefs, from their heart that is submitted to God and strengthened in light of His power, provision, and direction. It is the Christians who are warriors. The unbelievers do not feel safe to believe anything, lest they be attacked, so they strike to assuage their fear. They fight from weakness.

This is decidedly false and I’m surprised you’ve taken this position when daily living says otherwise. You don’t have to believe in God to stand for something or stand against it either and most people doing both aren’t christian. Sitting in a forum discussing issues doesn‘t make you a warrior whether you believe in God or not. And the majority aren’t doing the same spiritually in prayer and that’s evident.

What makes one a warrior in the truest sense is the willingness to address an issue, see it through and stand. If you’re running from your problems you’re not a warrior. If you have no ability to confront wrongs in any stripe you’re not a warrior. If you’re waiting for others to do the work while you sit on the sidelines you’re not a warrior. If you’re too afraid to admit your weaknesses and tackle them you’re not a warrior.

What distinguishes warriors from ordinary folk is their mettle. They’re willing to put a lot on the line for their beliefs and don’t wither from the blows. When hardships arrive they deal with them and press on. They don’t fall apart, blame the world or cry tales of woe to all who’d hear. They bear their burdens with dignity and excel at long-suffering far better than most.

Just because you believe in God doesn’t mean you’re built like that and I lived that reality all my life. Most people don’t have that constitution. Christian or otherwise. If what you suggest was true the world would look differently. We wouldn’t be confronting the evils we face if christians weren’t afraid to fight. They’d have more resistance. And if you wanted to best your enemy you’d be more like ants than grasshoppers.

~bella

 

[linux.poet]

This is decidedly false and I’m surprised you’ve taken this position when daily living says otherwise.

Ephesians 6 says otherwise. If you were in a country where Christians were persecuted the matter would immediately become evident. Christianity forces people to care about something other than social status, social conformity, and material wealth. We are called to fight against Satan's lies and stand for God's truth. People have accepted the plundering of their possessions and loss of their family rather than give up the faith. Enduring adversity is part of the deal when one accepts the gospel, and that changes you.

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This argument is spoken like a true master sheeple. The sheeple are generally divided between slave sheeple and master sheeple; there is a difference between a highly successful merchant or politician and the warriors that guard them from danger.

Online, the master sheeple are content creators and the warriors are moderators. That's the difference; it's wise not to get confused.

What people ignore is that the world is designed for sheeple, and the world is divided between slave sheeple and master sheeple. A master sheeple is someone like Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, or a successful business owner or politician. They know how to give the sheeple what they want, get them to submit, be successful in their industry, build connections, and so on. But underneath all the success, a master sheeple is still a sheeple. They just are so good at conforming to what the other sheeple want that the slave sheeple place them in positions of power. A master sheeple makes the slave sheeple feel comfortable, and that's why they are in power.

The warrior is rejected, because the warrior does not need business or connections or submission of anyone. The master sheeple look on true warriors and despise them. They are lazy, they don't want to work, they are self-destructive, recalcitrant, rebellious, lustful, disobedient to parents, and on and on. The bottom line is that the warriors don't care about what you care about, because they are not a sheeple. The warrior will build from nothing. Lock them up in a prison cell with a hairline crack in the wall and they will turn that that crack into an escape plan. Take away their financial resources and they will be at the EBT office the next day ready to start over. When Paul said "I know how to be abased, and I know how to abound." that's what he was talking about.

But a warrior is not a master sheeple. They don't need financial success, though they might get it. They care about what they care about. A warrior might accept being impoverished if their goal is something else. A master sheeple will never end up impoverished because they always know how to recover, get a new sheeple army, get their finances back in order. And they will delude themselves into thinking that they are warriors, or that warriors don't exist.

Now granted, Christianity can be managed like a sheeple, with slave sheeple running to their pastor (aka Christian Master Sheeple) for help under adverse circumstances. And yes, pastors/bishops/priests/etc have to deal with managing their army of slave sheeple navigating their way through a fallen world. But you're still fighting the world, and eventually the Holy Spirit needs to cultivate the will to push back and kick the lies and sins out, to be the salt and light in the middle of a crooked and perverse generation. Even if you're not a natural red-blooded warrior (like me ) with all the anger issues and lust problems that come with it, you have to push back against sin and learn to resist the evil influence of others. The warrior characteristics will eventually bleed in. My boyfriend went from being a slave sheeple child to a spiritual warrior type after he accepted the Gospel - the transition took 20 years, but I digress. Now he's just as willful, irritable, and argumentative as me. We get along very well.

This does not mean that natural warriors have an easy time in Christianity - far from it. They have to learn submission, meekness, and gentleness. They have to learn to control themselves, to not break everyone else with their ambitions. They have to learn to learn, to allow their reason to outpace their will and not bash ahead, make mistakes, and then get angry because the world doesn't respond to their will and break everything. In short, they must learn to be 200 lbs of force in the right direction, and then to modulate that amount of force to the appropriate amount required to communicate with the more fragile. I would know. ;-)

A warrior is just someone with more willpower than average. I have enough willpower for 3 lifetimes, and many people see that as threatening - it's a stage presence every time I walk into a room. The key is not to get rid of it, for I cannot - the challenge is managing it, with all of the anger, self-hatred, lust that it engenders, and to use the assets that it gives me to help those who do not have it.

Interestingly, most master sheeple don't believe that warriors exist in their churches. A warrior is actually a pretty low-maintenance Christian, because once they agree with God's Word and submit to Christ's authority, they force themselves to make changes in their lives, kick out people who disagree with their life choice to accept the Gospel, and actually listen to their pastor/priest/bishop/etc and correct their own spiritual mistakes. They aren't emotionally needy, and only appear when they need advice or have something to offer, and otherwise, they just show up every week, but otherwise disappear. There's no need to invite people into their lives who assume that they are needier than they are or that don't understand them, but no need to push people away either. They will go to your Bible study if they think it will help them with their spiritual goals, but they have no particular loyalty and will just disappear one day because it's not serving them anymore.

Sitting in a forum discussing issues doesn‘t make you a warrior whether you believe in God or not.

Agreed.

What makes one a warrior in the truest sense is the willingness to address an issue, see it through and stand. If you’re running from your problems you’re not a warrior. If you have no ability to confront wrongs in any stripe you’re not a warrior. If you’re waiting for others to do the work while you sit on the sidelines you’re not a warrior. If you’re too afraid to admit your weaknesses and tackle them you’re not a warrior.

While this is true, this is just making the master sheeple = warrior claim. The difference is that the master sheeple addresses his issues from a position and authority over the sheeple, because he or she is confident in their approval. The true warrior doesn't care about their position in relation to anyone. They will stand for the truth, hold onto their position, whatever it may be, and wait for the other person's wrong position to fall. It's more Braveheart and less Jen Ledger. They will endure whatever punishments the sheeple inflict on them for their correct moral position, and endure whatever adversity they need to come out on top. A master sheeple does work to keep the slave sheeple under control; a warrior does work to prove a point, when they see that work will work to get the job done, slowly but surely, carefully keeping their will and reason and all those complex marbles in check in a delicate dance until boom! Now I can be direct!

This leads to the master sheeple illusion that if they just get enough social backing and master sheeple good enough, they will become a warrior. Warrioring is a great spiritual achievement, they think. Lol, I was born with stubborn willpower of the ages, you think this is an achievement what are you talking about? Obviously, more willpower is cultivated by defending your beliefs and acting independently of others (and being right when everyone else was wrong, too)! More social support actually atrophies the willpower muscles, and it's cope for not having willpower. Duh. Meanwhile, I'm stubborn and willful in their eyes, and that is a moral deficiency. Clearly I haven't earned the social status necessary to be willful and independent. (What, you have to be a sheeple to earn not being a sheeple? I'm just not one. What are you going to do about it?) The cognitive illusion is furthered by the fact that the more of the sanctification process you do the more warrior-like you end up if you were sheeple to begin with, but correlation is not causation and it takes is one "warrior from birth OG" to bust the idea - or worse, unbeliever warriors.

Not all master sheeple are pastors either. Half of the master sheeple in any given church are women. They are always organizing events and psychoanalyzing all of the slave sheeple women under their care. The warrior women (of which there are a few) laugh at their inaccurate judgements of their character and go back to whatever their willful ambitions happened to be, resigning themselves to being misunderstood. Some of the more immature ones correct the master sheeple's inaccurate judgements, but eventually they find out that it's a waste of time. They learn to appreciate the food and the Bible study and ignore the fellowship, because few get it right.

What distinguishes warriors from ordinary folk is their mettle. They’re willing to put a lot on the line for their beliefs and don’t wither from the blows. When hardships arrive they deal with them and press on. They don’t fall apart, blame the world or cry tales of woe to all who’d hear. They bear their burdens with dignity and excel at long-suffering far better than most.

The body falls apart and the mind overwhelms far before the spirit and the will breaks. Frequently they need guidance for their reason and help with their problems, which is obnoxious to psychotherapists. They have to learn to heal the body and find correct information to train the mind.

They can solve their own problems, which means they are frequently left alone with no one to help.

Which is partly what they prefer, because they can handle that, and it's often easier than wasting time explaining themselves to another sheeple who doesn't understand them, again. That is almost always a guaranteed waste of time. The sheeple never help.

We learn to be selective about who we "cry tales of woe" to. But we don't cry tales. We have problems and we want solutions, and we usually want the solution that we want, ASAP. If we can't get it, or we don't know what solution is best, we sit around and debate it until we figure it out.

Anyway, I hope I am preaching to a choir, but I may be right. If I am, I will accept the adversity that comes with it.

 

[Godcrazy]

Ephesians 6 says otherwise. If you were in a country where Christians were persecuted the matter would immediately become evident. Christianity forces people to care about something other than social status, social conformity, and material wealth. We are called to fight against Satan's lies and stand for God's truth. People have accepted the plundering of their possessions and loss of their family rather than give up the faith. Enduring adversity is part of the deal when one accepts the gospel, and that changes you.

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This argument is spoken like a true master sheeple. The sheeple are generally divided between slave sheeple and master sheeple; there is a difference between a highly successful merchant or politician and the warriors that guard them from danger.

Online, the master sheeple are content creators and the warriors are moderators. That's the difference; it's wise not to get confused.

What people ignore is that the world is designed for sheeple, and the world is divided between slave sheeple and master sheeple. A master sheeple is someone like Jeff Bezos, Elon Musk, or a successful business owner or politician. They know how to give the sheeple what they want, get them to submit, be successful in their industry, build connections, and so on. But underneath all the success, a master sheeple is still a sheeple. They just are so good at conforming to what the other sheeple want that the slave sheeple place them in positions of power. A master sheeple makes the slave sheeple feel comfortable, and that's why they are in power.

The warrior is rejected, because the warrior does not need business or connections or submission of anyone. The master sheeple look on true warriors and despise them. They are lazy, they don't want to work, they are self-destructive, recalcitrant, rebellious, lustful, disobedient to parents, and on and on. The bottom line is that the warriors don't care about what you care about, because they are not a sheeple. The warrior will build from nothing. Lock them up in a prison cell with a hairline crack in the wall and they will turn that that crack into an escape plan. Take away their financial resources and they will be at the EBT office the next day ready to start over. When Paul said "I know how to be abased, and I know how to abound." that's what he was talking about.

But a warrior is not a master sheeple. They don't need financial success, though they might get it. They care about what they care about. A warrior might accept being impoverished if their goal is something else. A master sheeple will never end up impoverished because they always know how to recover, get a new sheeple army, get their finances back in order. And they will delude themselves into thinking that they are warriors, or that warriors don't exist.

Now granted, Christianity can be managed like a sheeple, with slave sheeple running to their pastor (aka Christian Master Sheeple) for help under adverse circumstances. And yes, pastors/bishops/priests/etc have to deal with managing their army of slave sheeple navigating their way through a fallen world. But you're still fighting the world, and eventually the Holy Spirit needs to cultivate the will to push back and kick the lies and sins out, to be the salt and light in the middle of a crooked and perverse generation. Even if you're not a natural red-blooded warrior (like me ) with all the anger issues and lust problems that come with it, you have to push back against sin and learn to resist the evil influence of others. The warrior characteristics will eventually bleed in. My boyfriend went from being a slave sheeple child to a spiritual warrior type after he accepted the Gospel - the transition took 20 years, but I digress. Now he's just as willful, irritable, and argumentative as me. We get along very well.

This does not mean that natural warriors have an easy time in Christianity - far from it. They have to learn submission, meekness, and gentleness. They have to learn to control themselves, to not break everyone else with their ambitions. They have to learn to learn, to allow their reason to outpace their will and not bash ahead, make mistakes, and then get angry because the world doesn't respond to their will and break everything. In short, they must learn to be 200 lbs of force in the right direction, and then to modulate that amount of force to the appropriate amount required to communicate with the more fragile. I would know. ;-)

A warrior is just someone with more willpower than average. I have enough willpower for 3 lifetimes, and many people see that as threatening - it's a stage presence every time I walk into a room. The key is not to get rid of it, for I cannot - the challenge is managing it, with all of the anger, self-hatred, lust that it engenders, and to use the assets that it gives me to help those who do not have it.

Interestingly, most master sheeple don't believe that warriors exist in their churches. A warrior is actually a pretty low-maintenance Christian, because once they agree with God's Word and submit to Christ's authority, they force themselves to make changes in their lives, kick out people who disagree with their life choice to accept the Gospel, and actually listen to their pastor/priest/bishop/etc and correct their own spiritual mistakes. They aren't emotionally needy, and only appear when they need advice or have something to offer, and otherwise, they just show up every week, but otherwise disappear. There's no need to invite people into their lives who assume that they are needier than they are or that don't understand them, but no need to push people away either. They will go to your Bible study if they think it will help them with their spiritual goals, but they have no particular loyalty and will just disappear one day because it's not serving them anymore.


Agreed.


While this is true, this is just making the master sheeple = warrior claim. The difference is that the master sheeple addresses his issues from a position and authority over the sheeple, because he or she is confident in their approval. The true warrior doesn't care about their position in relation to anyone. They will stand for the truth, hold onto their position, whatever it may be, and wait for the other person's wrong position to fall. It's more Braveheart and less Jen Ledger. They will endure whatever punishments the sheeple inflict on them for their correct moral position, and endure whatever adversity they need to come out on top. A master sheeple does work to keep the slave sheeple under control; a warrior does work to prove a point, when they see that work will work to get the job done, slowly but surely, carefully keeping their will and reason and all those complex marbles in check in a delicate dance until boom! Now I can be direct!

This leads to the master sheeple illusion that if they just get enough social backing and master sheeple good enough, they will become a warrior. Warrioring is a great spiritual achievement, they think. Lol, I was born with stubborn willpower of the ages, you think this is an achievement what are you talking about? Obviously, more willpower is cultivated by defending your beliefs and acting independently of others (and being right when everyone else was wrong, too)! More social support actually atrophies the willpower muscles, and it's cope for not having willpower. Duh. Meanwhile, I'm stubborn and willful in their eyes, and that is a moral deficiency. Clearly I haven't earned the social status necessary to be willful and independent. (What, you have to be a sheeple to earn not being a sheeple? I'm just not one. What are you going to do about it?) The cognitive illusion is furthered by the fact that the more of the sanctification process you do the more warrior-like you end up if you were sheeple to begin with, but correlation is not causation and it takes is one "warrior from birth OG" to bust the idea - or worse, unbeliever warriors.

Not all master sheeple are pastors either. Half of the master sheeple in any given church are women. They are always organizing events and psychoanalyzing all of the slave sheeple women under their care. The warrior women (of which there are a few) laugh at their inaccurate judgements of their character and go back to whatever their willful ambitions happened to be, resigning themselves to being misunderstood. Some of the more immature ones correct the master sheeple's inaccurate judgements, but eventually they find out that it's a waste of time. They learn to appreciate the food and the Bible study and ignore the fellowship, because few get it right.


The body falls apart and the mind overwhelms far before the spirit and the will breaks. Frequently they need guidance for their reason and help with their problems, which is obnoxious to psychotherapists. They have to learn to heal the body and find correct information to train the mind.

They can solve their own problems, which means they are frequently left alone with no one to help.

Which is partly what they prefer, because they can handle that, and it's often easier than wasting time explaining themselves to another sheeple who doesn't understand them, again. That is almost always a guaranteed waste of time. The sheeple never help.

We learn to be selective about who we "cry tales of woe" to. But we don't cry tales. We have problems and we want solutions, and we usually want the solution that we want, ASAP. If we can't get it, or we don't know what solution is best, we sit around and debate it until we figure it out.

Anyway, I hope I am preaching to a choir, but I may be right. If I am, I will accept the adversity that comes with it.

I wonder what replies comes out of this. I am not the dependent type either. A free spirit that loves truth. Stick out everywhere. I only follow what God REALLY says. Not man. I recall witnessing the psychoanalytical going on some church in the past. I quickly noticed and well it goes as it always does, I am the loner. well I am and I am comfortable. Not a dependent personality style. We function on different levels. Some, eat sleep work not anything more fit in. The intellectual crowd. The visionary crowd. I belong to the last two, as a result, generally do not fit in. You learn to be happy in your own skin who you are. But see and realise more than the basic, well, isn`t the bible talking about that. No wonder God gave me prophetic gifts.

 

[Godcrazy]

Money, status or social acceptance does not apply to me one whit. As long as I have roof and food and clothes, I am content. Unless I have a goal, which I do, then I work very hard. I need meaning and purpose. Just enjoy and follow the dead fish is not me. Follow people like Elon and crowd just forget it I see through it . Society have taught us it is wrong and something wrong with you if you are not dependent or dependent on having friends spouse what have we. I am quite introvert although ambivert so that does not apply to me unless we have a connection and you actually can talk at similar level. Friendly and all that, but, connection deeper not many are able. I am straightforward as scandi and assertive and very deep thinker. Unravel truth and psychologically. I understand if one wants to be la la easy conversations not thinking deeper I understand and respect that. But that is NOT me. I don`t care about masks either. I say what I mean say what I think. Nicely of course. It is accepted as normal where I am from. I get to the point see the truth as is. I don`t know. I have had to manage myself all life, and life circumstances made it that way.

 

[Godcrazy]

I am always however very friendly, helpful and accept others. It just does not always return.
I am a live and let live person. I have no interest what so ever in being the leader or dominate. I only care about God, his truth and being the vessel, and do what is right. And working for it

 

[Godcrazy]

Same time I do not accept or care one whit for power plays or attempt to enforce it. Live and let live. If there is a case with what God actually wants I am all for it

 

[Skipper80]

I’ve been thinking about this lately. I think humans are born to fight spiritually and it manifests physically. When we don’t have a common enemy we fight amongst ourselves. Just look at this forum. It’s not like we are all celebrating Jesus, most are just arguing over politics, over personality, over beliefs, over anything. Everyone has a problem with everything. We haven’t changed at all since the birth of man. Red vs Blue, Left vs Right, Tribe against tribe, team against team, country against country.

I think the last time our country was united was 9/11. So it takes an outside enemy attacking us to get us to unite against them. If we don’t have an enemy to war with, we war with ourselves.

It’s funny you equate arguing to fighting. Arguments are very helpful for thinking logically

 

[ViaCrucis]

I’ve been thinking about this lately. I think humans are born to fight spiritually and it manifests physically. When we don’t have a common enemy we fight amongst ourselves. Just look at this forum. It’s not like we are all celebrating Jesus, most are just arguing over politics, over personality, over beliefs, over anything. Everyone has a problem with everything. We haven’t changed at all since the birth of man. Red vs Blue, Left vs Right, Tribe against tribe, team against team, country against country.

I think the last time our country was united was 9/11. So it takes an outside enemy attacking us to get us to unite against them. If we don’t have an enemy to war with, we war with ourselves.

Different take: Yes, I think you're right that there is a part of being human that is innately combative. However, this is because we are fallen sinners. Our combativeness, our belligerence, our nastiness--that's sin.

-CryptoLutheran

 

[The_Mantis]

It’s funny you equate arguing to fighting. Arguments are very helpful for thinking logically

Arguing sucks. It’s absolutely fighting. Just look at political arguments. They usually end up in name calling etc. trying to hurt the other person. Just not with physical means.

 

[Skipper80]

Arguing sucks. It’s absolutely fighting. Just look at political arguments. They usually end up in name calling etc. trying to hurt the other person. Just not with physical means.

Name-calling is not helpful for good arguments. name-calling is example of what happens in bad arguments. Arguments ideally help us think logically and come to a conclusion that is better than what both people separately thought before the argument.
Good arguments happen when both parties are respectful

 

[The_Mantis]

Name-calling is not helpful for good arguments. name-calling is example of what happens in bad arguments. Arguments ideally help us think logically and come to a conclusion that is better than what both people separately thought before the argument.
Good arguments happen when both parties are respectful

That would be called a discussion!

 

[com7fy8]

Satan is an enemy ... though maybe you're using the name symbolically for all evil.

Indeed . . . even so >

I have been discovering, often enough, how I am my own main problem. And I note how Jesus says >

"If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily, and follow me." (in Luke 9:23)

So, Jesus says we need to deny our own selves. He does not say we need to deny the devil or a certain political candidate or whoever has hurt us.

I can be my own worst and main problem.

 

[com7fy8]

I’ve been thinking about this lately. I think humans are born to fight spiritually and it manifests physically. When we don’t have a common enemy we fight amongst ourselves.

The reason that you think that we are all fighters is that you have spent too much time on the Internet.

Could it be that it has been and are conditioned into us by those seeking control??
Mass hypnosis.. programming through media.. frequencies.. food.. think about it
Then add in tendencies from the fall getting worse here to the end

"Where do wars and fights come from among you? Do they not come from your desires for pleasure that war in your members?" (James 4:1)

You say, "from the fall". My opinion is that fallen humans have >

"the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience" > in Ephesians 2:2.

This is Satan's spirit of pride and of selfishness. This wrong spirit in humans has people deeply not satisfied; and so they can be desperate for some pleasure to make them feel nicer. And when you threaten or effectively mess with someone's pleasure which is a treasure . . . any person can become like a raving lunatic . . . when the person's **r-e-a-l** treasure is being messed-with.

But ones of this world can discover how it does not help them to enjoy their treasure pleasure if they are constantly struggling and fighting for it and about it. So, it is the tendency of people to have a pleasure which is easy to get and does not cost too much and there is no ongoing competition and struggling for it. And so, as siblings develop, they might tend to have separate favorite interests and pleasures and ways of personality so they are not constantly fighting and struggling and competing. This is part of why, in my opinion, children grow up with distinct personalities with different preferences of those personalities.

One sibling can use controlling. Another can discover how not controlling can bring the pleasure of peace and quiet while doing what does not require controlling. This way, they don't constantly compete, and thereby spoil the pleasures they enjoy.

And now we are seeing how ones treasure sexual pleasure and they have developed ways of getting it. However, ones are effectively interfering with what they treasure; and so now they are fighting for what they treasure. However, the real treasure and preference is for pleasure. And as I have offered with James 4:1 > the real preference is for pleasure, but ones can be competing for it.

And, about the fall > my opinion is we all were born wrong; so all of us without Jesus were getting our sexual and other pleasures the wrong way . . . not loving like we need to do while enjoying our pleasures.

God's love is so better than human love. Plus, in God's love we have self control to stay out of arguing and complaining and competing. We can stay peaceful, all the time; partly because in God's love we are perfectly satisfied in His way so we are not depending on treasure pleasures to make us feel good and fool us into supposing the pleasures are fulfilling us. But Jesus in us is our perfect fulfillment, with no need for help from what is created.

And so, we have no need to fight for a lot of things. Plus, in trusting and obeying God in His peace, we have His emotional satisfaction and safety and stability, plus His personal guiding with His creativity, while He guides us according to how He is coordinating people and things around us.

And so our attention needs to stay to submitting to how He personally rules us >

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)

And our fighting is against things in us which would have us doing anything else. His peace has almighty immunity against any anti-love stuff that would mess with us.