Humans are natural born warriors

[The_Mantis]

I’ve been thinking about this lately. I think humans are born to fight spiritually and it manifests physically. When we don’t have a common enemy we fight amongst ourselves. Just look at this forum. It’s not like we are all celebrating Jesus, most are just arguing over politics, over personality, over beliefs, over anything. Everyone has a problem with everything. We haven’t changed at all since the birth of man. Red vs Blue, Left vs Right, Tribe against tribe, team against team, country against country.

I think the last time our country was united was 9/11. So it takes an outside enemy attacking us to get us to unite against them. If we don’t have an enemy to war with, we war with ourselves.

 

[Laodicean60]

When we don’t have a common enemy we fight amongst ourselves.

But it's fun to one-up the other guy. I feel superior to them when my understanding of something is more in-depth because of years of study, thus I have to win the argument. Not to mention all those sinners, they are the worst we have to contain the disease, or it will infect us Christians. It's our job to tell them they are going to hell if they don't change their lifestyles. My nation is going to hell in a handbasket because that other party is trying to destroy this country. I must be the defender of truth and proclaim to them all the reasons why their beliefs are wrong and policies harmful.
You are correct to say it will take an outside enemy or a catastrophic event to get our minds off warring against flesh and blood. This is why I have to thank Jesus for washing away my sins, because I'm the biggest hypocrite here.

 

[2PhiloVoid]

I’ve been thinking about this lately. I think humans are born to fight spiritually and it manifests physically. When we don’t have a common enemy we fight amongst ourselves. Just look at this forum. It’s not like we are all celebrating Jesus, most are just arguing over politics, over personality, over beliefs, over anything. Everyone has a problem with everything. We haven’t changed at all since the birth of man. Red vs Blue, Left vs Right, Tribe against tribe, team against team, country against country.

I think the last time our country was united was 9/11. So it takes an outside enemy attacking us to get us to unite against them. If we don’t have an enemy to war with, we war with ourselves.

Welcome to CF, Mantis.

........ I don't particularly feel "warlike." I do observe a number of people in the world who are just that, however. And I wonder what the impetus is for all of it. I think Jesus and His Apostles knew what the reason was.

 

[The_Mantis]

Welcome to CF, Mantis.

........ I don't particularly feel "warlike." I do observe a number of people in the world who are just that, however. And I wonder what the impetus is for all of that. I think Jesus and His Apostles knew what the reason was.

Hey thanks for the welcome! You’re the first person to say that! Want to fight about it?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Hey thanks for the welcome! You’re the first person to say that! Want to fight about it?

Sure. Just know ahead of time that I know Verbal Judo.

Have a blessed Saturday!

 

[bèlla]

Satan is my enemy. Man is either a willing accomplice or abets him through deception and sin. We don’t war against the person. We war against the act and its influences and results.

~bella

 

[eleos1954]

I’ve been thinking about this lately. I think humans are born to fight spiritually and it manifests physically. When we don’t have a common enemy we fight amongst ourselves. Just look at this forum. It’s not like we are all celebrating Jesus, most are just arguing over politics, over personality, over beliefs, over anything. Everyone has a problem with everything. We haven’t changed at all since the birth of man. Red vs Blue, Left vs Right, Tribe against tribe, team against team, country against country.

I think the last time our country was united was 9/11. So it takes an outside enemy attacking us to get us to unite against them. If we don’t have an enemy to war with, we war with ourselves.

Nothing new under the sun ...

Ecclesiastes 1:9
The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done: and there is no new thing under the sun.

 

[J_B_]

Satan is my enemy. Man is either a willing accomplice or abets him through deception and sin. We don’t war against the person. We war against the act and its influences and results.

~bella

Satan is an enemy ... though maybe you're using the name symbolically for all evil.

 

[bèlla]

Satan is an enemy ... though maybe you're using the name symbolically for all evil.

No, I meant it the way I wrote it. I don’t consider man my enemy. Including those who behave otherwise. I address the matter in prayer and let the Lord administer justice on my behalf. Correction may bring a wayward soul to their senses or lessen evil’s appeal. Our beginning isn’t necessarily a predictor of where we’ll end and only He knows the result. Paul is a good example.

~bella

 

[J_B_]

No, I meant it the way I wrote it. I don’t consider man my enemy. Including those who behave otherwise. I address the matter in prayer and let the Lord administer justice on my behalf. Correction may bring a wayward soul to their senses or lessen evil’s appeal. Our beginning isn’t necessarily a predictor of where we’ll end and only He knows the result. Paul is a good example.

~bella

OK. I won't nitpick your words. You feel what you feel, and it would be wrong of me to encourage you to view someone as your enemy. But Satan is too often made a scapegoat. People are fully capable of doing evil without the aid of demons, as the Bible makes plain.

 

[bèlla]

OK. I won't nitpick your words. You feel what you feel, and it would be wrong of me to encourage you to view someone as your enemy. But Satan is too often made a scapegoat. People are fully capable of doing evil without the aid of demons, as the Bible makes plain.

I didn’t remove responsibility from humans when warranted and acknowledged I addressed the matter in prayer. That doesn’t imply my petition would not include a request for justice or judgment when apropos. Where I differ on the subject is my unwillingness to allow my heart to be tainted which often results in unforgiveness and bitterness. What you interpret as scapegoating is a mark of maturity and conversance in spiritual warfare.

I never blame anyone for my problems. I look for my mistake to prevent its reoccurrence. In circumstances when fault is limited such as childhood, I seek the lesson instead.

~bella

 

[Ignatius the Kiwi]

It is an aspect of humanity that we are predisposed towards violence and I don't think anyone seriously looking at men can really deny this. Our history is filled with wars which have been fought for various reasons. It is delusion to think one can be above these impulses as well because to be above them is to surrender power to another person and if you have the will for self preservation or individual autonomy you will fight and do violence to protect it.

 

[sunshine_]

It'd be nice if we could all get along with each other but people are always wanting things that they don't have, which I think is what causes people to fight or argue

 

[J_B_]

I didn’t remove responsibility from humans when warranted and acknowledged I addressed the matter in prayer. That doesn’t imply my petition would not include a request for justice or judgment when apropos. Where I differ on the subject is my unwillingness to allow my heart to be tainted which often results in unforgiveness and bitterness. What you interpret as scapegoating is a mark of maturity and conversance in spiritual warfare.

I never blame anyone for my problems. I look for my mistake to prevent its reoccurrence. In circumstances when fault is limited such as childhood, I seek the lesson instead.

~bella

Maybe so. But we could all do better ... or at least I could do better - no matter how clever my system is for keeping everyone's humanity in mind. With respect to my personal track record, I regret my behavior in a few situations that became a fight for survival type thing.

 

[J_B_]

It'd be nice if we could all get along with each other but people are always wanting things that they don't have, which I think is what causes people to fight or argue

That does happen, but I've always liked C.S. Lewis' explanation in "The Problem of Pain" regarding why the creations of a good God would do bad things. It stems from being finite creatures. We don't understand all the consequences of what we do. We may start off doing what we think is good, but an unintended consequence causes someone else pain. Because they know your action was intentional, their finite nature may cause them to conclude you intentionally caused them pain. And the cycle of bad begetting bad begins.

 

[bèlla]

Maybe so. But we could all do better ... or at least I could do better - no matter how clever my system is for keeping everyone's humanity in mind. With respect to my personal track record, I regret my behavior in a few situations that became a fight for survival type thing.

There’s a difference between a wrong response and maintaining a heart position that supports grievances. It’s important to remember the cost you pay by doing so. Pain hurts and it’s okay to feel. But remaining in that place opens other doors. All that you said is fine and it helps you to understand your triggers and soft spots which is necessary to navigate this monopoly board called life. You’ll have less regrets and fewer upsets by seeing people the way they are and accepting it. Most of our hurts are the result of closing our eyes to the truth or imposing qualities on the other that don’t exist. We have to love ourselves enough to say no and avoid placing ourselves in situations where deep hurts can occur.

~bella

 

[stevevw]

I’ve been thinking about this lately. I think humans are born to fight spiritually and it manifests physically. When we don’t have a common enemy we fight amongst ourselves. Just look at this forum. It’s not like we are all celebrating Jesus, most are just arguing over politics, over personality, over beliefs, over anything. Everyone has a problem with everything. We haven’t changed at all since the birth of man. Red vs Blue, Left vs Right, Tribe against tribe, team against team, country against country.

I think the last time our country was united was 9/11. So it takes an outside enemy attacking us to get us to unite against them. If we don’t have an enemy to war with, we war with ourselves.

I reckon that those Christians in nations where they are persecuted even unto death don't care about politics. That all goes out the window when it comes down to Christ or bowing to the oppressors and denouncing your stand with Christ.

Maybe the west needs a little of that. Shake things up. Something that like a nation comes together when attacked in war will bring Christs church to stand up together. I reckon both sides of the political fence would unite if it came down to a situation where Christians had to stand for Christ or otherwise be persecuted, jailed or killed.

In the last days it mentions even family memembers divided and against each other over Christ. If that is the case imagine what the public square would look like.

I think the climate is ripening for this to happen. Its a logical conclusion that if Christians stand with Christ that this will gradually conflict with the public square. Its just a matter of timeas to what extent that conflict will go to. But I would imagine that the public square beliefs will trend towards being more in conflict than less as God is rejected more and more.

I think generally as the feminist of the 70s mentioned the political has become the personal. So now the line between public and private and personal is blurred. So expressing a belief that conflicts with the public squares norms will be taken personally and like an offense or threat.

Social media didn't help and this I think compounded the personal being the public domain. People are shamed and cancelled for percieved wrongs. Not just in action but words. Especially words and now even thoughts as in prayer being illegal in places. Or unconscious racism or sexism or genderism that is subjectively determined and projected into reality and onto others.

I think we are natural born warriors for good and we will react and fight for what is good. But that can be confused with other motives and agendas and thats when it turns into culture wars.

 

[FireDragon76]

I’ve been thinking about this lately. I think humans are born to fight spiritually and it manifests physically. When we don’t have a common enemy we fight amongst ourselves. Just look at this forum. It’s not like we are all celebrating Jesus, most are just arguing over politics, over personality, over beliefs, over anything. Everyone has a problem with everything. We haven’t changed at all since the birth of man. Red vs Blue, Left vs Right, Tribe against tribe, team against team, country against country.

I think the last time our country was united was 9/11. So it takes an outside enemy attacking us to get us to unite against them. If we don’t have an enemy to war with, we war with ourselves.

Humanity hasn't yet matured. We are just a sappling, not yet a tree.

I recommend reading Romans 8:18-25 and meditate upon it. It contains deep wisdom. The Earth is awaiting "the sons of God" to awaken.

“Someday, after mastering the winds, the waves, the tides and gravity, we shall harness for God the energies of love, and then, for a second time in the history of the world, man will have discovered fire" - Teilhard de Chardin

 

[linux.poet]

Most humans are not natural warriors. They are sheeple who blindly submit themselves to authority, frequently intimidated and afraid, and cling to worldly systems, intellectual models, and authority figures for a sense of security. They cling to other people for a sense of validation and purpose. They are not fighters.

The reason that you think that we are all fighters is that you have spent too much time on the Internet. The violent voices that stand up against the so called evils are part of the Internet system they are submitting to and the outrage-for-clicks model. It’s just another system they are blindly bandwagoning in desperation to stay alive and meaningful for another day. They will say whatever it takes to get you to click on the video and fill their stomachs and hearts.

The violence is just their way of defending themselves against people who won’t validate them. In the absence of Christians to persecute, the sin nature loves to fight itself, I will agree. But those who engage in the war do not do so because they care about what they are saying, it’s because they are scared of what will happen to themselves and others if they don’t speak up.

A warrior fights from his or her beliefs, from their heart that is submitted to God and strengthened in light of His power, provision, and direction. It is the Christians who are warriors. The unbelievers do not feel safe to believe anything, lest they be attacked, so they strike to assuage their fear. They fight from weakness.

 

[Godcrazy]

I’ve been thinking about this lately. I think humans are born to fight spiritually and it manifests physically. When we don’t have a common enemy we fight amongst ourselves. Just look at this forum. It’s not like we are all celebrating Jesus, most are just arguing over politics, over personality, over beliefs, over anything. Everyone has a problem with everything. We haven’t changed at all since the birth of man. Red vs Blue, Left vs Right, Tribe against tribe, team against team, country against country.

I think the last time our country was united was 9/11. So it takes an outside enemy attacking us to get us to unite against them. If we don’t have an enemy to war with, we war with ourselves.

Could it be that it has been and are conditioned into us by those seeking control??
Mass hypnosis.. programming through media.. frequencies.. food.. think about it
Then add in tendencies from the fall getting worse here to the end