Humanism

[Polycarp_fan]

the ironic thing is, PC_F is so clueless about humanism that he doesn't know that you can be a CHRISTIAN humanist
its sad that we get some document about an atheistic version, but christians would easily agree with it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_humanism
funny that christians from the second century were humanists, yet we have some guy here spewing hate on them for being humanists.

Christian and anti-divinity together in the same mind.

Yeah, Ok, sure. I guess in today's world well, anything does go.

Well of course not God. Not in Humanism anyway:

TENTH: It follows that there will be no uniquely religious emotions and attitudes of the kind hitherto associated with belief in the supernatural.

And just look at how the public square has been dictated since the rise of humanism. And without doubt, the education system IS the Church of Humanism.

Or as Humanism put it:

"ELEVENTH: Man will learn to face the crises of life in terms of his knowledge of their naturalness and probability.

Reasonable and manly attitudes will be fostered by education and supported by custom. We assume that humanism will take the path of social and mental hygiene and discourage sentimental and unreal hopes and wishful thinking."

Welcome Authoritaritarianism and Totlatitarianism. Not hidden in any way.

It is far past time for Christians, Jews, Muslims and Hindu's and all other deeply religious people to see what is facing our freedoms being forcefully curtailed. And once again, the Congregation of the Education System is the House of Humanism.

And is regards to POLITICS, it is clear that Humanism is also the platform of "Progressive Ideology" as a synonym for Humansim:

"FOURTEENTH: The humanists are firmly convinced that existing acquisitive and profit-motivated society has shown itself to be inadequate and that a radical change in methods, controls, and motives must be instituted.

A socialized and cooperative economic order must be established to the end that the equitable distribution of the means of life be possible. The goal of humanism is a free and universal society in which people voluntarily and intelligently cooperate for the common good.

Humanists demand a shared life in a shared world."

Enter "Change We Can Believe In." Socialism blurred to Communism. Where's the difference.

"We," meaning those that proscribe Humanism in the Humanist Manifesto.

Where do Humanists get the AUDACITY that THEY and ONLY THEY get to decide how the world is to be RUN?

In the thread: Hating Christians What's the Root Cause . . .

I made the case that it is Humanism that is the root of the hatred of Christians and Christianity and I used the Humanist Manifesto accurately to do so.

Who gets to BE the Humanist Rulers over all. "Uber alles" as the Germans say?

"FIFTEENTH AND LAST: We assert that humanism will: (a) affirm life rather than deny it; (b) seek to elicit the possibilities of life, not flee from them; and (c) endeavor to establish the conditions of a satisfactory life for all, not merely for the few. By this positive morale and intention humanism will be guided, and from this perspective and alignment the techniques and efforts of humanism will flow."

Enter the Congregation of the School system.

And now here hedonism proclaimed as accurately as it ever has:


"So stand the theses of religious humanism. Though we consider the religious forms and ideas of our fathers no longer adequate,

the quest for the good life is still the central task for mankind.

Man is at last becoming aware that he alone is responsible for the realization of the world of his dreams, that he has within himself the power for its achievement. He must set intelligence and will to the task."

The greatest atrocities the world has even seen has come from a human mind homogenizing other minds to implement its will on all, in "hope" that all people can be subjugated into a collective unit.

Welcome the mark of the beast when?

 

[Verv]

I generally do not believe in cooperating with people... Most people have ulterior motives and I feel it is better to separate myself from them. I also feel that the goals of most people are superficial and wrong.

I think this new sense of humanism also promotes cultural relativity on huge levels, which is one of the greatest vices of our existence. It somehow is able to regard a certain equality between our cultures that just doesn't exist.

Another major criticism for humanism is that it seems to be one of the core ideologies interested in emasculating our cultures; it is a large critic of things like warfare, which is the world's only form of hygiene to purify itself of the nasty elements which must be destroyed.

I cannot support any ideology which would make me serve other people's goals.

I am an individualist.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

I generally do not believe in cooperating with people... Most people have ulterior motives and I feel it is better to separate myself from them. I also feel that the goals of most people are superficial and wrong.

I think this new sense of humanism also promotes cultural relativity on huge levels, which is one of the greatest vices of our existence. It somehow is able to regard a certain equality between our cultures that just doesn't exist.

Another major criticism for humanism is that it seems to be one of the core ideologies interested in emasculating our cultures; it is a large critic of things like warfare, which is the world's only form of hygiene to purify itself of the nasty elements which must be destroyed.

I cannot support any ideology which would make me serve other people's goals.

I am an individualist.

A Christian attitude or sure.

Kamsa hamnida.



----- I've heard that Korean Churhces have more Christian missionaries out in the world than any other country.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

This from Manifesto TWO. and how is this not Marxism, just watered down for broader appeal:

"As in 1933, humanists still believe that traditional theism, especially faith in the prayer-hearing God,

assumed to live and care for persons,

to hear and understand their prayers,

and to be able to do something about them,

is an unproved and outmoded faith.

Salvationism,

based on mere affirmation, still appears as harmful,

diverting people with false hopes of heaven hereafter.

Reasonable minds look to other means for survival."

How is that NOT . . .

"Religion is the opiate of the people."

Karl Marx oft quoted.

Just a slick "new" ad campaign.

 

[Verv]

A Christian attitude or sure.

Kamsa hamnida.



----- I've heard that Korean Churhces have more Christian missionaries out in the world than any other country.

I believe that is true -- we've also sent people to the most dangerous spots, like Afghanistan.

Koreans are motivated believers and, thankfully, do not compromise their message.

This from Manifesto TWO. and how is this not Marxism, just watered down for broader appeal:

"As in 1933, humanists still believe that traditional theism, especially faith in the prayer-hearing God,

assumed to live and care for persons,

to hear and understand their prayers,

and to be able to do something about them,

is an unproved and outmoded faith.

Salvationism,

based on mere affirmation, still appears as harmful,

diverting people with false hopes of heaven hereafter.

Reasonable minds look to other means for survival."

How is that NOT . . .

"Religion is the opiate of the people."

Karl Marx oft quoted.

Just a slick "new" ad campaign.

Yep.

Same old stuff.

There is something called Fabian Socialism, which is slowly bringing the world closer and closer to Communism and godlessness.

There is also the thoughts of Antonio Gramsci: Communism will triumph by taking over institutions within society.

Since they cannot take over the Church they will support anything that rails against it.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

I believe that is true -- we've also sent people to the most dangerous spots, like Afghanistan.

Koreans are motivated believers and, thankfully, do not compromise their message.

Hopefully that will contune.

There is something called Fabian Socialism, which is slowly bringing the world closer and closer to Communism and godlessness.

Started in England of course. The Brights I here they call thmselves now?

There is also the thoughts of Antonio Gramsci: Communism will triumph by taking over institutions within society.

Smell that? We've caught wind of that. It's going to eb a tough struggle to gain back our education system away from Humanism, but the youth are starting to see the horror of anything goes. Especially the untold numbers of fatherless.

Since they cannot take over the Church they will support anything that rails against it.

I couldn't have said that better.

I call them "The Usual Suspects."

A VERY homogenized group. And immense in size.

 

[Verv]

Hopefully that will contune.



Started in England of course. The Brights I here they call thmselves now?

I believe so -- many of the atheists considered calling themselves' brights' to take away the negative connotation that they perceive atheism to have occasionally.

Smell that? We've caught wind of that. It's going to eb a tough struggle to gain back our education system away from Humanism, but the youth are starting to see the horror of anything goes. Especially the untold numbers of fatherless.

That is exactly right -- people are going to want to break the cycle. Humans will naturally rebound.

I couldn't have said that better.

I call them "The Usual Suspects."

A VERY homogenized group. And immense in size.

Precisely.

There is a concentrated effort for all of them to band together -- the more the West is weakened, the more they benefit.

They have occupied the building that is Western civilization and rocked it to its foundations -- it's time that we consider breaking away, again; we've been infested with termites that have turned our once glorious Kingdom into a sad joke.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

I believe so -- many of the atheists considered calling themselves' brights' to take away the negative connotation that they perceive atheism to have occasionally.




That is exactly right -- people are going to want to break the cycle. Humans will naturally rebound.




Precisely.

There is a concentrated effort for all of them to band together -- the more the West is weakened, the more they benefit.

They have occupied the building that is Western civilization and rocked it to its foundations -- it's time that we consider breaking away, again; we've been infested with termites that have turned our once glorious Kingdom into a sad joke.

Just reading the American Humanist Association's website shows that atheism, progressive-ism and Humanism are indistinguishable from each other. Liberalism may not be in totality but it is clear that it provides the slippery slope to it.

Manifesto II:

Promises of immortal salvation or fear of eternal damnation are both illusory and harmful. They distract humans from present concerns, from self-actualization, and from rectifying social injustices. Modern science discredits such historic concepts as the "ghost in the machine" and the "separable soul." Rather, science affirms that the human species is an emergence from natural evolutionary forces. As far as we know, the total personality is a function of the biological organism transacting in a social and cultural context. There is no credible evidence that life survives the death of the body. We continue to exist in our progeny and in the way that our lives have influenced others in our culture.

Ceratinly nothing hidden there.

The whole "One World Government" conspiracy accusations are actually spelled out quite definately BY Humanists themselves:

We deplore the division of humankind on nationalistic grounds. We have reached a turning point in human history where the best option is to transcend the limits of national sovereignty and to move toward the building of a world community in which all sectors of the human family can participate. Thus we look to the development of a system of world law and a world order based upon transnational federal government.

See here for more:

http://www.americanhumanist.org/about/manifesto2.html

 

[ragarth]

Just reading the American Humanist Association's website shows that atheism, progressive-ism and Humanism are indistinguishable from each other. Liberalism may not be in totality but it is clear that it provides the slippery slope to it.

Manifesto II:



Ceratinly nothing hidden there.

The whole "One World Government" conspiracy accusations are actually spelled out quite definately BY Humanists themselves:





See here for more:

http://www.americanhumanist.org/about/manifesto2.html

So, just to bring this back to the topic of the thread, you believe that Humanism is part of a larger conspiracy meant to disenfranchise christians of the government, educational system, and to marginalize christians? If I extended this and said that the objective of the humanist conspiracy was to enslave christianity and promote satanism, would I be correct?

 

[Polycarp_fan]

So, just to bring this back to the topic of the thread, you believe that Humanism is part of a larger conspiracy meant to disenfranchise christians of the government, educational system, and to marginalize christians?

100% correct. I have never veered from that position in over 4000-posts.

If I extended this and said that the objective of the humanist conspiracy was to enslave christianity and promote satanism, would I be correct?

Satan means adversary.

So, Yes. But not necessarily knowingly.

In some cases Yes knowingly, but in some cases not knowingly.

People given the idea to believe they are their own god is an inebriating occurence. Humanism empowers an individual to seriously believe that they are in control of everything. This is why atheism-induced communism is so lethal.

That sounds very much Satan-like.

Also of course we have the aspect of Humanism that copies the goodness of Christian truth and repackages it for selfish reasons.

I urge every Christian I talk with to study Humanism intensely, as that IS what is attacking us in every venue of western society.

My thread: Hating Christian What's The Root Cause, is absolutely about what Humanism IS.

Follow the Humanist Brick Road and see it has been built to do what is being done now but labeled "Progressive." Which by the way, Humanism declares itself to be in actuality.

Read Humanist literature.

There is nothing hidden anymore.

Humanism supplies the human ego the very fuel it desires so incessantly.

The metaphor of Adam and Eve proves that.

 

[ragarth]

If humanism is unknown satanism, I'm a transhumanist, what does that make me?

 

[MaxP]

I generally do not believe in cooperating with people... Most people have ulterior motives and I feel it is better to separate myself from them. I also feel that the goals of most people are superficial and wrong.
[snip]
I cannot support any ideology which would make me serve other people's goals.

When Jesus came to Apostles, they stopped their lives and followed Him. They continued to do so after Christ's death and Resurrection. Whose goals where they serving?
Christianity has a long history of emphasizing obedience, from Christ and the earliest Church fathers on.

 

[sidhe]

I cannot support any ideology which would make me serve other people's goals.

33 They came to Capernaum; and when He was in (E)the house, He began to question them, "What were you discussing on the way?"

34But they kept silent, for on the way they had discussed with one another which of them was the greatest.

35Sitting down, He called the twelve and said to them, "If anyone wants to be first, he shall be last of all and servant of all."

Just sayin, yo.

 

[b&wpac4]

When Jesus came to Apostles, they stopped their lives and followed Him. They continued to do so after Christ's death and Resurrection. Whose goals where they serving?
Christianity has a long history of emphasizing obedience, from Christ and the earliest Church fathers on.

So do other religions.

 

[MaxP]

So do other religions.

Yes, but I was responding to the response his comment got about it being a very Christian attitude.

 

[Axioma]

If humanism is unknown satanism, I'm a transhumanist, what does that make me?

Satan in drag.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

Satan in drag.

Hey look. We CAN agree on things.

Thanks for your support.

 

[ragarth]

Satan in drag.

You know what they say, the devil wears prada.

 

[Polycarp_fan]

You know what they say, the devil wears prada.

And, I know who says it.

 

[Isambard]

Humanism feels too much like Christianity-lite to me. I will not respect anyone just because they can breathe and fall under the category of human.