human?

[Phred]

presented quotations

And the quotations presented are already refuted. The fetus doesn't have a right to the mother's body. She doesn't have to donate blood, nor does she have to donate organs. That's reality. The arguments that a fetus has a right to enforced maternity ignores what is currently moral and lawful. That being that a woman has control over her own body. For any reason.

.
​

 

[Phred]

so the mother should be doubly cautious before she beds someone then. I find it amusing to note that you discount the role of the father before the birth, but I'm sure you will insist that the father must pay child support after the birth even if he did not want the child. interesting. NO ONE is forcing a women to engage in sex uless the sex is via rape. women have pleanty of control over ther bodies. They have control over who they have sex with an when and they get to face the results of those choices. If it’s a matter of SELFISHNESS - of course I’m going to take the innocent parties side! how are laws against child molestation or murder any different?

So what? A person refusing to donate blood even though another person needs it is being selfish, but they have that right. You haven't done a thing to refute this, you've only danced around in the endzone moving the goalposts all over the place. YOUR concept of innocent is irrelevant. Innocent people may die when I refuse to donate a kidney. I can choose not to... so can a pregnant woman.

YOU have made this a thread about pro- or anti- abortion. I’m ATTEMPTING to deal with a single issue - the humanity and life of an unborn child.

So you just want this thread to be an anti-abortion convention. Only those agreeing with you may post?

Why is it irrelevant? How is the ending of a human beings life for SELFISHNESS via abortion any less murder than taking someones life in the midst of a robbery?

Do I or do I not have the right to do with my body as I will? If I have the right to refuse to donate blood or organs than so does any woman. Why do you insist upon equating a woman with a criminal?

While you may find human life irrelevant, not everyone does. I for one do find it relevant. You are of course welcome to leave and not bother with this thread anymore. We both know you won’t after all - as irrelevant as you want to pretend this is you keep coming back to it. lol

I don't find human life irrelevant. I find your arguments to be irrelevant. Another baseless appeal to emotion. Surely you can do better.

.
​

 

[xMinionX]

Okay - it's dead and inhuman before that point?

It is alive in the same way that a plant is alive.

It is human in the same way that my kidneys are human.

Yup.

 

[Marek]

And the quotations presented are already refuted.

Refuted by who? Evidence?

The fetus doesn't have a right to the mother's body.

Maybe not, but a fetus's right to life might override that.

She doesn't have to donate blood, nor does she have to donate organs. That's reality. The arguments that a fetus has a right to enforced maternity ignores what is currently moral and lawful.

Moral by whose standards? Just because something is lawful, doesn't mean it's morally permissible.

That being that a woman has control over her own body. For any reason.

Legally, a woman does not have control over her body for any reason. She cannot use drugs, kill herself, drink alcohol under the age of 21, etc.

 

[David Gould]

Good question. What would you answer?

Not too many ideas, to be honest. It has to do with higher brain function and that thing we call consciousness, I think.

 

[Danhalen]

and what do you require to be called ALIVE?

An organism that can carry out the basic functions required for life independantly. These include (but are not necessarily limited to) respiration, self nourishment, cognitive function, and basic life support (heart beat etc.).

 

[xMinionX]

An organism that can carry out the basic functions required for life independantly. These include (but are not necessarily limited to) respiration, self nourishment, cognitive function, and basic life support (heart beat etc.).

I'm expecting a response of "A plant has no cognitive function, it isn't alive?"

But I'll wait on that....

 

[BlessEwe]

I told you. A fetus is a non-living human being. Therefore it is a human that is not alive. To be fully human is to be alive and human. A fetus is not.

Haven't read through this thread yet, but it is to bad a man can't feel a life of a human growing inside you, it is so beautiful...

Edited to add, I felt movement very early on, also in an ultrasound at around 6 weeks my son was jumping around like a jumping bean, Dr said woooo you have an active one there... Could something dead do that? Nope..... I feel life begins at conception.

 

[Danhalen]

Haven't read through this thread yet, but it is to bad a man can't feel a life of a human growing inside you, it is so beautiful...

Edited to add, I felt movement very early on, also in an ultrasound at around 6 weeks my son was jumping around like a jumping bean, Dr said woooo you have an active one there... Could something dead do that? Nope..... I feel life begins at conception.

You know, I really don't know when life actually begins. I said what I said for the sake of argument. I felt my children were alive the moment I knew that my wife would have them. I loved them from the moment I knew that they would be born. I really believe that the woman carrying the child has the choice to decide though. I can't justify that, it's just the way I feel.

 

[Kilik]

A complex history going back before the great flood