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[Spawn]

Is the absence of life death? Of course not. The removal of life is death. My pet rock cannot be dead, because it was never alive in the first place. Likewise, pro-choicers do not see an abortion as the death of a human, because they do not see it as alive yet.

If it is not the death of a human - are we something other than human before we are born? If so - what are we? Snails?

 

[Danhalen]

If it is not the death of a human - are we something other than human before we are born? If so - what are we? Snails?

The quote you provided did not have anything to do with what we are before we are born. It was about the point at which life begins. So tell me what it means for something to be alive. I will not argue out of context.

 

[Spawn]

My thread. And I only posted the quote to give a reference for my question.

If a fetus is not human - what is it?

 

[progressivegal]

A life that will potentially become a human being.

 

[Caprice]

A life that will potentially become a human being.

Is there a reason why you believe this way that is more compelling than the reason why I believe that a fetus is human life at conception?

 

[progressivegal]

Is there a reason why you believe this way that is more compelling than the reason why I believe that a fetus is human life at conception?

I guess to me it's just commen sense and to you it's the same, just looking at things differently. The species is obviously human, I'm using "human being" in the romantic sense here, as a thinking, breathing, individual, that's why I added the "being". I think no one would disagree that it's a human life form, but the whether or not it is at the same level as humans who can live outside the womb and are afforded certain rights is what is debateable.

s. at comception it's an embryo, it doesn't become a fetus until the 9th week

 

[Danhalen]

My thread. And I only posted the quote to give a reference for my question.

If a fetus is not human - what is it?

If that's it then, a fetus is not a living human being yet.

 

[David Gould]

What defines a human being?

 

[Blackmarch]

If it is not the death of a human - are we something other than human before we are born? If so - what are we? Snails?

Spirits that looked human.... though one thinks that it would still be considered human more or less.

 

[Spawn]

If that's it then, a fetus is not a living human being yet.

If a fetus is not human then what is it?

 

[Spawn]

What defines a human being?

Good question. What would you answer?

 

[Danhalen]

If a fetus is not human then what is it?

I told you. A fetus is a non-living human being. Therefore it is a human that is not alive. To be fully human is to be alive and human. A fetus is not.

 

[Spawn]

I told you. A fetus is a non-living human being. Therefore it is a human that is not alive. To be fully human is to be alive and human. A fetus is not.

and what do you require to be called ALIVE?

 

[Phred]

Each and every time this debate comes up one very important thing is left completely out. The rights of the mother. It doesn't matter if a fetus is a person or not. If you want them to be... fine. I don't have to give blood, even if it means the person who needs it will die. I don't have to donate an organ, even if it means the person who needs it will die. Why must a woman be forced to donate her blood and organs to someone if she doesn't wish to?

And please, stop with the "it's human" debate. There's a difference between human and a human being. A sperm is "human." Do you try to save each and every one? Will you found an insurance company that will allow me to take out a policy on the blastocyst my wife and I just created? Until you do, quit pretending you really think a ball of cells is the same as a human being. Or will you try to tell me with a straight face that if you were sitting in a clinic with a child and the clinic caught fire... you'd run to save the frozen embryos before the child.

Anti-abortionists make lots of claims... one of the most heinous is calling themselves pro-life while supporting the death penalty. Erring on the side of life but letting a ban on automatic weapons expire. No... this is about forcing your morality upon others, even if it means women lose control of their own bodies to make you comfortable. If you really and truly want people to back you, then you've got to be consistent, not just moral when it's convenient.

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[xMinionX]

I would have appreciated it if someone had linked me to the thread my my words were the basis for the OP. I had to hunt for a while to find it.

If it is not the death of a human - are we something other than human before we are born? If so - what are we? Snails?

Your question is based on the premise that the fetus inside the womb has 'life' as we know it. As I have already said many times, most pro-choicers do not see the fetus as having life, and so cannot knowingly inflict death upon it.

 

[Blackmarch]

I would have appreciated it if someone had linked me to the thread my my words were the basis for the OP. I had to hunt for a while to find it.



Your question is based on the premise that the fetus inside the womb has 'life' as we know it. As I have already said many times, most pro-choicers do not see the fetus as having life, and so cannot knowingly inflict death upon it.

Just a question (probably for another thread..) what do pro choicers consider or define life as?

to Phred-
Wouldn't the sperm or egg by itself only constitute half a human?

To anyone else-
When does the rights of the mother become the rights of the child... or when can the child have rights?

 

[Spawn]

Each and every time this debate comes up one very important thing is left completely out. The rights of the mother.

The right of the mother to what? choose? Um - I hate to break it to you, but BOTH parents choose when they commit the act that resulted in the pregnancy - UNLESS she was raped and guess what - rape accounts for roughly 2% of all abortions. 90% of abortions are for selfish reasons. But this thread is not about WHY it is done - it is about whether or not a fetus is human - and if it is not human, what is it then??

 

[xMinionX]

Just a question (probably for another thread..) what do pro choicers consider or define life as?

I can't speak for everyone else, but I consider life to begin when brainwaves can be detected. I think that is towards the end of the first trimester, but my memory is shaky on that one.

 

[Spawn]

Why must a woman be forced to donate her blood and organs to someone if she doesn't wish to?

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AGAIN - there is no FORCING involved except in the cases of rape. She chose and now she is dealing with the consequence of her choice. It’s funny that you want to be able to choose after the act.

 

[Spawn]

Or will you try to tell me with a straight face that if you were sitting in a clinic with a child and the clinic caught fire... you'd run to save the frozen embryos before the child.

Try I'd do my best to put out the fire rather than RUN. I choose NOT to run from difficulty for the selfishness of my own comfort. Something more pregant women should choose to do.

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