A) No it doesn't.
B) If the only things that exist are those things that are observed, then the soul certainly doesn't exist.
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A) No it doesn't.Quantum experiments suggest that objects only exist with real properties if they are observed. This may suggest that a part of the mind – the soul – is immortal and exists outside of space and time.
I work with spirit, it’s my reality. It’s the lens through which I view the world. But there’s no way I could demonstrate it to you or anyone else. But it works for me.OK. The way I worded my original question was ambiguous. What I want is a demonstration that there is such a thing as spirit.
That's fine for you. But as it stands, I have no reason to believe such a thing.I work with spirit, it’s my reality. It’s the lens through which I view the world. But there’s no way I could demonstrate it to you or anyone else. But it works for me.
Which is fine. But it does give me a little insight into those here who look to the Soul. The main difference is that I don’t know how to limit Soul to Human Beings like some here are doing. For my self it’s an aspect of being alive with all beings, animals or people.That's fine for you. But as it stands, I have no reason to believe such a thing.
What is soul to you? I'm glad we appear to agree that a soul as a uniquely human thing is not demonstrable. But I have hunch that you are reusing the word soul to mean something like life. In which case, why not use the word life?Which is fine. But it does give me a little insight into those here who look to the Soul. The main difference is that I don’t know how to limit Soul to Human Beings like some here are doing. For my self it’s an aspect of being alive with all beings, animals or people.
Oh ... we’ll probably have to wait until we die and then find out for sure (or not if there is no spirit). I don’t think anyone can provide physical evidence of the metaphysical.OK. The way I worded my original question was ambiguous. What I want is a demonstration that there is such a thing as spirit.
I don't know if I can elaborate. It's like defining Love, it can't be done. Maybe with some questions that can't be answered, but contemplated...maybe? And the depends upon a person's inner exploration of Self. So, what is our essence? Are we just a bunch of stuff? A bunch of matter? When I watched my infant granddaughter laugh and her eyes light up, where's that twinkle in her eye coming from? What I see is her inner essence of Life bubbling up in her eyes, her Soul if you will. Some more questions, where does the creative element of an artist bubble up from? Why are the Mystics of all of the various spiritual trajectories pointing towards our essence or Soul. What are they saying about this sort of stuff. These are a short example of the kinds of questions that the Mystics ask. But that trajectory is pretty unfamiliar territory in this forum. Sorry for not giving a direct answer to your question which really is a good one to be asking. But it also highlights what I said earlier in that I can't demonstrate spirit to anyone, though in a rough way Soul can be pointed to.What is soul to you? I'm glad we appear to agree that a soul as a uniquely human thing is not demonstrable. But I have hunch that you are reusing the word soul to mean something like life. In which case, why not use the word life?
Please elaborate.
But...a person can live it. It's kind of interesting that way. It's sort of like trying to prove physical evidence of Love.Oh ... we’ll probably have to wait until we die and then find out for sure (or not if there is no spirit). I don’t think anyone can provide physical evidence of the metaphysical.
I appreciate your answer. However, I prefer not to make life mystical. I find life fascinating and joyous, but I don't feel the need to make more of It than It appears to be.I don't know if I can elaborate. It's like defining Love, it can't be done. Maybe with some questions that can't be answered, but contemplated...maybe? And the depends upon a person's inner exploration of Self. So, what is our essence? Are we just a bunch of stuff? A bunch of matter? When I watched my infant granddaughter laugh and her eyes light up, where's that twinkle in her eye coming from? What I see is her inner essence of Life bubbling up in her eyes, her Soul if you will. Some more questions, where does the creative element of an artist bubble up from? Why are the Mystics of all of the various spiritual trajectories pointing towards our essence or Soul. What are they saying about this sort of stuff. These are a short example of the kinds of questions that the Mystics ask. But that trajectory is pretty unfamiliar territory in this forum. Sorry for not giving a direct answer to your question which really is a good one to be asking. But it also highlights what I said earlier in that I can't demonstrate spirit to anyone, though in a rough way Soul can be pointed to.
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A nightcap.
"If you don't see God everywhere,
you don't see Him anywhere."
I appreciate your answer. However, I prefer not to make life mystical. I find life fascinating and joyous, but I don't feel the need to make more of It than It appears to be.
It feels a little like the complaint that unweaving the rainbow removes the wonder.
I get it. Thanks.I appreciate your answer. However, I prefer not to make life mystical. I find life fascinating and joyous, but I don't feel the need to make more of It than It appears to be.
It feels a little like the complaint that unweaving the rainbow removes the wonder. Well, for me it doesn't.
Thanks for the reply.
I get it. Thanks.
The conversation was about Soul and Spirit. I shared a little bit where I go with it. Which is mostly that I'm not able to limit Soul to only people as do the Creationist here.
I’ve got a scenario for you.Nope. Only man is in God's image, having a spiritual side.
I, for one, would welcome our new insect overlords.I’ve got a scenario for you.
If we found a planet that contained intelligent life, but they looked different from us (thus not in God’s image and no souls)Do you think this give us the moral right to treat them as we treat animals here on Earth?
But they don't have souls and are not made in the Image of God. If we were more powerful than them, why would you not treat them as you would treat an animal?I, for one, would welcome our new insect overlords.
I've no idea what 'in the image of God' actually means. But as far as 'soul', that's just self awareness. A sense of the self. I'm sure they'd have that in which case I'd be able to empathise with our alien chums (although I do recall reading a sc fi story many moons ago that described an alien species that was intelligent but not sentient - a tough one to get my head around). In which case I'd treat them as having value. The same way as I treat a dog as having value but a mosquito as not.But they don't have souls and are not made in the Image of God. If we were more powerful than them, why would you not treat them as you would treat an animal?
Ebola? Covid? Polio? Cancer?
Oh, yeah. Hang on. We're fallen. I forgot. So God is not involved in disease for some reason. Or tsunamis. Or 'quakes. Or floods. Or bush fires. Or droughts. Or famines. Thems our fault and we 'don't see Him anywhere' in those examples.
You can have some cake and eat it with your nightcap.
Death is a plus according to some. It's the gateway to heaven.You forgot death in your list.
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