Human Fossils?

[SkyWriting]

But then we're involved in speculation of supernatural intervention, at which point, we're no longer having a scientific discussion.

Only the scientific parts of scripture then?

You wish to stick to the science of an Ark
with two of each animal gathered by God
where God closed the door?

Science is unable to study historical events.
One can scientifically gather current details
but the conclusions can only be speculation
about any past event.

For example, if you wish to re-create sedimentary
layers, good luck getting the same result twice.
A water hose in a sandbox will give you good
lessons on that.

 

[Armoured]

Science is unable to study historical events.
One can scientifically gather current details
but the conclusions can only be speculation
about any past event.

current details include evidence of past events.

 

[-57]

But not all from the same flood.

It's mostly from the world wide flood during Noahs time.

 

[-57]

I believe "The world of that time" only refers to
the people who existed at that time.

Another belief is that the earth was dissolved by the
flood and remade beneath the waters.

I feel it was more local and the story re-told by those
on the Ark.

Yes, the world of that time was destroyed by water....and many people, especially some christians deliberately forget there was a flood and exchange scripture for old earth Theo-Evo models.

 

[SkyWriting]

Yes, the world of that time was destroyed by water....and many people, especially some Christians deliberately forget there was a flood and exchange scripture for old earth Theo-Evo models.

The earth as described in scripture is ancient.
I'll cover that again. Scripture never teaches a young earth.
Not even during "Creation Week" is the earth describes as new or young.
I'm just following what scripture teaches, not Catholic scholors.

Proverbs 22:28 Do not move an ancient boundary stone set up by our ancestors. ... Do not move the ancient landmark that your fathers have set. ..

Deuteronomy 33:15 with the choicest gifts of the ancient mountains ...

2 Peter 2:5 if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought ...

Habakkuk 3:6 He stood, and shook the earth; he looked, and made ...
... The ancient mountains crumbled and the age-old hills collapsed-- but he marches on forever. ... The age-old mountains break apart; the ancient hills sink down

Revelation 20:2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is ...

 

[pat34lee]

The earth as described in scripture is ancient.

With "Ancient" being anything more than a few hundred years old.

 

[CrystalDragon]

But then we're involved in speculation of supernatural intervention, at which point, we're no longer having a scientific discussion.

It never implied in the Bible that the water suddenly had different properties or whatever. We have no reason to assume God changed the laws of physics.

 

[-57]

The earth as described in scripture is ancient.
I'll cover that again. Scripture never teaches a young earth.
Not even during "Creation Week" is the earth describes as new or young.
I'm just following what scripture teaches, not Catholic scholors.

Proverbs 22:28 Do not move an ancient boundary stone set up by our ancestors. ... Do not move the ancient landmark that your fathers have set. ..

Deuteronomy 33:15 with the choicest gifts of the ancient mountains ...

2 Peter 2:5 if he did not spare the ancient world when he brought ...

Habakkuk 3:6 He stood, and shook the earth; he looked, and made ...
... The ancient mountains crumbled and the age-old hills collapsed-- but he marches on forever. ... The age-old mountains break apart; the ancient hills sink down

Revelation 20:2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is ...

How old is ancient? I consider the times of Christ walking on the earth as ancient. Moses is really ancient...and Adam, even more ancient.

 

[mark kennedy]

Only the scientific parts of scripture then?

You wish to stick to the science of an Ark
with two of each animal gathered by God
where God closed the door?

Science is unable to study historical events.
One can scientifically gather current details
but the conclusions can only be speculation
about any past event.

For example, if you wish to re-create sedimentary
layers, good luck getting the same result twice.
A water hose in a sandbox will give you good
lessons on that.

Yea that's true, wouldn't it be nice if we had the account of someone who was actually there, someone like...God. I think that would be helpful.

 

[mark kennedy]

With "Ancient" being anything more than a few hundred years old.

I always thought of ancient as anything BC

 

[SkyWriting]

Yea that's true, wouldn't it be nice if we had the account of someone who was actually there, someone like...God. I think that would be helpful.

I don't think God wrote scripture.
I think it was entirely written by
men who were inspired to write.

Then, as we know, men choose
was sacred, and what wasn't.

 

[mark kennedy]

I don't think God wrote scripture.
I think it was entirely written by
men who were inspired to write.

Then, as we know, men choose
was sacred, and what wasn't.

God telling me about the creation of the world, I think I would consider that sacred. Now how the original was organized and compiled is an interesting study but there is too much pass or fail thinking with regards to Moses having to write every word. The Levites were responsible for that, even though Moses was told to write certain things down, the Levites had responsibility for the Pentateuch.

 

[SkyWriting]

Levites had responsibility for the Pentateuch.

Are they anything special? Perfect, flawless, sinless,
or blessed or anything? Not functionally born-again
or converts. More like Saul? Or better that Saul.

 

[mark kennedy]

Are they anything special? Perfect, flawless, sinless,
or blessed or anything? Not functionally born-again
or converts. More like Saul? Or better that Saul.

It should be appreciated that Moses was a Levite and the promise of the Holy Spirit as we are used to it is something virtually unknown in ancient Israel. I wouldn't say special I would say sanctified:

Then Aaron lifted his hand toward the people, blessed them, and came down from offering the sin offering, the burnt offering, and peace offerings. And Moses and Aaron went into the tabernacle of meeting, and came out and blessed the people. Then the glory of the Lord appeared to all the people, and fire came out from before the Lord and consumed the burnt offering and the fat on the altar. When all the people saw it, they shouted and fell on their faces. (Lev. 9:22-24)
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The Levites were responsible for teaching the Law received through Moses:

And that you may teach the children of Israel all the statutes which the LORD has spoken to them by the hand of Moses. (Leviticus 10:11)

And Moses wrote this law, and delivered it to the priests the sons of Levi, which bore the ark of the covenant of the LORD, and to all the elders of Israel. (Deuteronomy 31:9-13)

For the priest's lips should keep knowledge, and they should seek the law at his mouth: for he is the messenger of the LORD of hosts. (Malachi 2:7)
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The New Testament changed things considerably, especially for the Gentiles:

For this reason he had to be made like them, fully human in every way, in order that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in service to God, and that he might make atonement for the sins of the people. (Heb. 2:17)
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Now I don't really know what you mean by perfect but the promise of the Law was fulfilled in Christ:

Now if He were on earth, He would not be a priest, since there are already priests to offer gifts according to the Law. They serve at a copy and shadow of the heavenly sanctuary. That is why Moses was warned when he was about to build the tabernacle, “See to it that you make everything according to the pattern shown you on the mountain.” Now, however, Jesus has received a far superior ministry, just as the covenant He mediates is superior and is founded on better promises. (Heb. 8:4-6)

Therefore let no one judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a festival, a New Moon, or a Sabbath. These are a shadow of the things to come, but the body that casts it belongs to Christ. (Col. 2:16, 17)
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Grace and peace,
Mark

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[SkyWriting]

I always thought of ancient as anything BC

The ancient hills are mentioned quite a bit in the Old Testament
and are defined as everlasting.

 

[mark kennedy]

The ancient hills are mentioned quite a bit in the Old Testament
and are defined as everlasting.

But there are ancient civilizations that are no longer in existence.

 

[IRONH1DE]

There's a lot of evidence of the global flood through fossils through difference varve layers

No there isn't lots of evidence for a global flood. The layers actually disprove it since we have older fossils deeper than younger fossils. How come we never find rabbit fossils in the same layer as Tyrannosaurus Rex fossils?

 

[JacksBratt]

Yea that's true, wouldn't it be nice if we had the account of someone who was actually there, someone like...God. I think that would be helpful.

Maybe God could have inspired a person to write it down so we could read it and know what happened....

nah......no body would believe it.

 

[mark kennedy]

Maybe God could have inspired a person to write it down so we could read it and know what happened....

nah......no body would believe it.

Not unless God himself convinced them.

 

[JacksBratt]

I don't think God wrote scripture.
I think it was entirely written by
men who were inspired to write.

Then, as we know, men choose
was sacred, and what wasn't.

If I told you to write down something, or dictated a paragraph to you and you got a pen and some paper and did just that..........who wrote the paragraph?

If you heard a song, with your head phones on and nobody else could hear it but you and you wrote down the lyrics to the song.........who wrote the lyrics?