Human footprints found at White Sands date back 19,000 to 26,500 years ago

[Astrid]

When we look around the earth and we see no sign of a Genesis flood, the priority of truth goes to what is actually seen and can be measured and not to some ancient creation story.

No remaining evidence, as in "cleaned up" is one thing.

Contrary evidence, as in disproof, is something
else. As you so well know.

Claiming as facts that which is contrary to
fact is fraud.

Believing things contrary to demonstrable
facts is merely intellectual donesty. No big deal.

Of course to those of us who value their integrity, it's a very big deal.

 

[Astrid]

So in conclusion you arrived at your own preset idea.
I guess I do not consider religion to be what you suppose it to be. For me, religion is simply a set of unproven beliefs, most normally something that can be shared by a group of interested people. Faith in evolution is a religion. Many people share the idea that life came about through random mutations etc etc. Faith in atheism can be a religion.

"Now faith is confidence in what we hope for and assurance about what we do not see." (hebrews 11:1, NIV)
That is my concept of religion.

atheists hope that evolution is true and have an assurance about that. They also hope that the earth is 4.6 bio years old, and they hope that the universe is 13.7 bio years old. So there is their religion.

So youve devolved to you making up
something about me, something I hold
to be the very definition of intellectual
dishonesty. No point reading past your
first line.

Sorry to see that's how it is with you.

 

[Astrid]

Learn

And what do creationists do?

 

[AV1611VET]

No remaining evidence, as in "cleaned up" is one thing.

Yup.

Just like Eve had to take the story of coming from Adam's rib by faith, not by sight; since God cleaned up the mess and left no scars behind.

Genesis 2:21 And the LORD God caused a deep sleep to fall upon Adam, and he slept: and he took one of his ribs, and closed up the flesh instead thereof;

Contrary evidence, as in disproof, is something else.

Such as?

 

[AV1611VET]

Learn

And what do creationists do?

Know

 

[dlamberth]

Matthew 12:39a But he answered and said unto them, An evil and adulterous generation seeketh after a sign; and there shall no sign be given to it, but the sign of the prophet Jonas:

Good luck finding something you weren't given.

Especially with science, which walks by sight, not by faith.

And read that verse again.

If those who do walk by faith won't be given a sign, do you really expect those who don't walk by faith to be given one?

When it comes to the geology of the earth, my faith is in what the earth itself is showing us. My faith does not lie with an ancient middle-eastern creation story.

 

[AV1611VET]

When it comes to the geology of the earth, my faith is in what the earth itself is showing us.

And how can the earth show you it got cleaned up?

You weren't there back then to see a dove bring Noah an olive leaf, from what, just a few days prior, had been a completely destroyed earth.

So your geology is incapable of communicating to you the full story.

 

[PeterDona]

So youve devolved to you making up
something about me, something I hold
to be the very definition of intellectual
dishonesty. No point reading past your
first line.

Sorry to see that's how it is with you.

After writing this, you still respond to my next post. So I dont get it. Have I been wasted, or am I still part of the good company?

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

And how can the earth show you it got cleaned up?

You weren't there back then to see a dove bring Noah an olive leaf, from what, just a few days prior, had been a completely destroyed earth.

So your geology is incapable of communicating to you the full story.

You're incapable of it too. Since your claim is extra-Biblical, something not supported in the Bible nor in the evidence of God's own creation.

 

[AV1611VET]

You're incapable of it too.

That is correct.

I can't use geology to show the Flood was global.

Since your claim is extra-Biblical,

Really?

First God stops the Flood.

Genesis 8:1 And God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that was with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters asswaged;
2 The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained;
3 And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.
4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.

Then He begins cleaning up the mess.

Genesis 8:5 And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month: in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, were the tops of the mountains seen.
6 And it came to pass at the end of forty days, that Noah opened the window of the ark which he had made:
7 And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until the waters were dried up from off the earth.

Nope -- not fit for habitation yet. Maybe later?

Genesis 8:8 Also he sent forth a dove from him, to see if the waters were abated from off the face of the ground;
9 But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him into the ark.

Not yet. Maybe later?

Genesis 8:10 And he stayed yet other seven days; and again he sent forth the dove out of the ark;
11 And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.

ONE WEEK LATER -- and what's that in the dove's beak?

An olive leaf???

Where'd that come from!?

Genesis 8:12 And he stayed yet other seven days; and sent forth the dove; which returned not again unto him any more.

Oh oh!

Lost her this time!

Did she drown!?

I don't think so.

Better look outside and see what's going on.

Genesis 8:13 And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth: and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and, behold, the face of the ground was dry.
14 And in the second month, on the seven and twentieth day of the month, was the earth dried.

And Noah looks out and sees he's up in the mountains.

Beautiful lakes and trees and rivers and a near Edenic topography.

And Noah concludes, what?

There was no flood in the first place?

I don't think so.

ETA: Thousands of years later, geologists traipse around this same area and conclude:

Nope -- no global flood.

Let's go home.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

That is correct.

I can't use geology to show the Flood was global.



Really?

First God stops the Flood.

Genesis 8:1 And God remembered Noah, and every living thing, and all the cattle that was with him in the ark: and God made a wind to pass over the earth, and the waters asswaged;
2 The fountains also of the deep and the windows of heaven were stopped, and the rain from heaven was restrained;
3 And the waters returned from off the earth continually: and after the end of the hundred and fifty days the waters were abated.
4 And the ark rested in the seventh month, on the seventeenth day of the month, upon the mountains of Ararat.

Then He begins cleaning up the mess.

Genesis 8:5 And the waters decreased continually until the tenth month: in the tenth month, on the first day of the month, were the tops of the mountains seen.
6 And it came to pass at the end of forty days, that Noah opened the window of the ark which he had made:
7 And he sent forth a raven, which went forth to and fro, until the waters were dried up from off the earth.

Nope -- not fit for habitation yet. Maybe later?

Genesis 8:8 Also he sent forth a dove from him, to see if the waters were abated from off the face of the ground;
9 But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him into the ark.

Not yet. Maybe later?

Genesis 8:10 And he stayed yet other seven days; and again he sent forth the dove out of the ark;
11 And the dove came in to him in the evening; and, lo, in her mouth was an olive leaf pluckt off: so Noah knew that the waters were abated from off the earth.

ONE WEEK LATER -- and what's that in the dove's beak?

An olive leaf???

Where'd that come from!?

Genesis 8:12 And he stayed yet other seven days; and sent forth the dove; which returned not again unto him any more.

Oh oh!

Lost her this time!

Did she drown!?

I don't think so.

Better look outside and see what's going on.

Genesis 8:13 And it came to pass in the six hundredth and first year, in the first month, the first day of the month, the waters were dried up from off the earth: and Noah removed the covering of the ark, and looked, and, behold, the face of the ground was dry.
14 And in the second month, on the seven and twentieth day of the month, was the earth dried.

And Noah looks out and sees he's up in the mountains.

Beautiful lakes and trees and rivers and a near Edenic topography.

And Noah concludes, what?

There was no flood in the first place?

I don't think so.

And throughout that whole thing.... not a hint that God cleaned it up at all. Just "The earth was dried"

"The earth was dried" is not saying "God cleaned everything up" or "God cleaned anything up". It's just "The earth was dried".

Again, it's just you adding to a Biblical story with no evidence to begin with, for you to try and force fit it with God's creation. Extra-biblical.

 

[Astrid]

When it comes to the geology of the earth, my faith is in what the earth itself is showing us. My faith does not lie with an ancient middle-eastern creation story.

If there were a match that would be very
interesting.

There seems to be no interest in the mismatch.

 

[AV1611VET]

And throughout that whole thing.... not a hint that God cleaned it up at all. Just "The earth was dried"

"The earth was dried" is not saying "God cleaned everything up" or "God cleaned anything up". It's just "The earth was dried".

Again, it's just you adding to a Biblical story with no evidence to begin with, for you to try and force fit it with God's creation. Extra-biblical.

Okay.

Have a nice day.

 

[Warden_of_the_Storm]

Okay.

Have a nice day.

And to you.

 

[AV1611VET]

If there were a match that would be very interesting.

After 4370 years?

You expect to see watermarks everywhere?

Wait until the year 6375 and look for evidence of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans.

Let me know what you [don't] find.

 

[dlamberth]

And how can the earth show you it got cleaned up?

You weren't there back then to see a dove bring Noah an olive leaf, from what, just a few days prior, had been a completely destroyed earth.

Woo Woo.

 

[dlamberth]

After 4370 years?

You expect to see watermarks everywhere?

Without a doubt a Genesis flood can not be hidden.

Wait until the year 6375 and look for evidence of Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans.

Let me know what you [don't] find.

After 12,000 years there are still water marks all over the place left over from the Ice Age floods that swept through the Pacific Northwest.

 

[Astrid]

After writing this, you still respond to my next post. So I dont get it. Have I been wasted, or am I still part of the good company?

I don't understand your question.
Regardless, if you wish to retract that
very inappropriate and false claim against
me, we can try for a respectful talk.

If not, this parting is well made

Without a doubt a Genesis flood can not be hidden.


After 12,000 years there are still water marks all over the place left over from the Ice Age floods that swept through the Pacific Northwest.

Only a person profoundly ignorant of the
earth he walks on would need such a response.

You will forgive me not reading what had been said.

 

[AV1611VET]

Woo Woo.

Woo Woo Wut?

You don't have to believe it, but can you explain it as written?

You believe all that mystic gobbledygook.

How would your Pierre Teilhard de Chardin explain it?

 

[AV1611VET]

Without a doubt a Genesis flood can not be hidden.

It wasn't hidden.

It was a worldwide event.

Seen by all.

Not to mention written about and preserved from that generation forward.

And Shem, who was on the Ark, lived right up to the time of Jacob -- keeping the record straight.

After 12,000 years there are still water marks all over the place left over from the Ice Age floods that swept through the Pacific Northwest.

Nothing happened 12,000 years ago.