http://gaychristian.net/

[ALiberalTeen]

Tell me how many gays you find in the Conservative Christian forums congregation. Alright...Good Luck.

I'm not gonna find any here, but i guarantee you'll find some elsewhere and to say otherwise is crazy

 

[OllieFranz]

Tell me how many gays you find in the Conservative Christian forums congregation. Alright...Good Luck.

Two answers to that: 1) The CC congregation is very strict in who they allow to call themselves conservative and join the forum. Miss any one of their rules and you are out. Being heterosexual is one of their rules. So gay conservatives are not there because they are rejected.

2) Some people who feel they are more conservative than they are gay are probably on the forum anyway. They don't mention their sexuality, even when you say something that clearly suggests that you assume that they are heterosexual. It is not a direct lie. It may be a "lie of ommission," or a case of "Don't ask, don't tell." But that is between them and their God.

 

[ReformedChapin]

Two answers to that: 1) The CC congregation is very strict in who they allow to call themselves conservative and join the forum. Miss any one of their rules and you are out. Being heterosexual is one of their rules. So gay conservatives are not there because they are rejected.

2) Some people who feel they are more conservative than they are gay are probably on the forum anyway. They don't mention their sexuality, even when you say something that clearly suggests that you assume that they are heterosexual. It is not a direct lie. It may be a "lie of ommission," or a case of "Don't ask, don't tell." But that is between them and their God.

1) The reason why they are restrictive is because of the relativistic nature of this website. That includes gays who claim to be conservative but cannot be because of their view of theology.

2) Evidence...this is pure speculation.

 

[ReformedChapin]

I'm not gonna find any here, but i guarantee you'll find some elsewhere and to say otherwise is crazy

So more dogma ey?

 

[OllieFranz]

1) The reason why they are restrictive is because of the relativistic nature of this website. That includes gays who claim to be conservative but cannot be because of their view of theology.

2) Evidence...this is pure speculation.

Yes, the second is speculation (which is why I qualified it with the adjective "probably"), but it is based on things that happen all the time, and it would be extremely naive to assume it hasn't happened in the CC forum.

The first, though....
You yourself admitted that the forum is restrictive. If it restricts based on several criteria (which it does), then to say that a rejected propect does not meet condition A because he was rejected is not a proper logical conclusion, when he could have been rejected for not meeting condition B or condition C. It is not only illogical, but dishonest to make the claim when you know that he was rejected because of condition C

I can parse the argument in symbolic logic if the English statement above is confusing.

 

[ReformedChapin]

Yes, the second is speculation (which is why I qualified it with the adjective "probably"), but it is based on things that happen all the time, and it would be extremely naive to assume it hasn't happened in the CC forum.

The first, though....
You yourself admitted that the forum is restrictive. If it restricts based on several criteria (which it does), then to say that a rejected propect does not meet condition A because he was rejected is not a proper logical conclusion, when he could have been rejected for not meeting condition B or condition C. It is not only illogical, but dishonest to make the claim when you know that he was rejected because of condition C

I can parse the argument in symbolic logic if the English statement above is confusing.

I'm well aware of symbolic logic. By the way this is more useless speculation since clearly logically speaking there can be an individual that is soley rejected because he is gay failling him from qualifying him to be a conservative christian. In order to be a conservative Christian he must meet all the criteria.

 

[Ohioprof]

Well as all are one in Christ, neither Jew nor Greek nor male nor female, Ithink we can conclude there is neither those who have opposite sex attraction nor same-sex attarction in Christ, therefore no such thing as a gay Christian. We also see from Jesus that to be in Him and He and the Father in us we are so when we obey His commands.
For thsoe here who dont believe everything Jesus taught in the Bible it must be difficult for them to know how to be in Christ, but for those who do a good deal easier.
As to a comfort, well anything tells people what they want to hear can be a comfort, but for thsoe who believe all the Bible, including anyone who has homosexual attraction they can be sure that because of Jesus God loves them and delights in them, just like He delights in those with heterosexual attraction.
When we identify ourselves with who we are in Christ we know we are loved, when we identify ourselves by our sexual desires we are seeing ourselves in sex not Christ. So I would be wary of whether sites like this are merely robbing people of the real love God has for them, no different from anyone else, through Jesus Christ.

Being gay is about much more than mere sexual desire; it's about whom we love and with whom we create a family.

 

[OllieFranz]

I'm well aware of symbolic logic. By the way this is more useless speculation since clearly logically speaking there can be an individual that is soley rejected because he is gay failling him from qualifying him to be a conservative christian. In order to be a conservative Christian he must meet all the criteria.

No, it is not to be a conservative Christian, but to join the CC forum that he must meet all the criteria. Unless you are claiming that the handful of CCforum members are the only conservative Christians. That there are no other conservative Christians in the world. That there were no other conservative Christians in history.

No, by definition, to be a conservative Christian, one only needs to be conservative and to be a Christian.

 

[ReformedChapin]

No, it is not to be a conservative Christian, but to join the CC forum that he must meet all the criteria. Unless you are claiming that the handful of CCforum members are the only conservative Christians. That there are no other conservative Christians in the world. That there were no other conservative Christians in history.

No, by definition, to be a conservative Christian, one only needs to be conservative and to be a Christian.

Sorry but relativism isn't a valid argument.

 

[OllieFranz]

No, it is not to be a conservative Christian, but to join the CC forum that he must meet all the criteria. Unless you are claiming that the handful of CCforum members are the only conservative Christians. That there are no other conservative Christians in the world. That there were no other conservative Christians in history.

No, by definition, to be a conservative Christian, one only needs to be conservative and to be a Christian.

Sorry but relativism isn't a valid argument.

What relativism?

The definition of a conservative Christian is a Christian who is conservative. It is, like every definition, a tautology. Adding other criteria divides the group into smaller groups but all members of the smaller groups are still conservative Christians.

 

[TheFathersDaughter]

You have yet to provide the evidence to prove me wrong. Thats beside the fact taht if someone is a gay christian he cannot logically be conservative theologically since it's a liberal characteristic.

I need to provide evidence that gay conservatives or even pro-gay conservatives exist, when the population of the United States ALONE is millions and millions of people. There is at least ONE person out there who is a gay conservative who's beliefs are similar to yours. There's no PROVE IT about it. What, you want me to go out and interview people just to get your evidence?

Supporting gay marriage isn't a "liberal" characteristic. There is no where in any liberal description that says "you must support gays" just like there's nothing in the conservative description that say "you can't support gays".

If it makes you feel better, there are liberals who are against gays. Also, thank you for acknowledging that gay's can be Christian.

 

[irateional]

I need to provide evidence that gay conservatives or even pro-gay conservatives exist, when the population of the United States ALONE is millions and millions of people. There is at least ONE person out there who is a gay conservative who's beliefs are similar to yours. There's no PROVE IT about it. What, you want me to go out and interview people just to get your evidence?

Supporting gay marriage isn't a "liberal" characteristic. There is no where in any liberal description that says "you must support gays" just like there's nothing in the conservative description that say "you can't support gays".

If it makes you feel better, there are liberals who are against gays. Also, thank you for acknowledging that gay's can be Christian.

Log Cabin Republicans you guys.

Go look em up. Supporters of the Republican Party on everything but gay rights. And if I can be a Republican yet be against them on border policy, and all of us are "conservative" than there you go.

A winrar for me!

 

[GeorgeFox]

Back to the OP's topic...

As a non-active member of GCN, I have to say that I don't like the site. Us gay people should be some of the most radically inclusive and loving people there are (stemming from our experience of exclusion and homophobia...as well as the fact that those on GCN are Christian), but on GCN I often found hostility to other religions (Especially the Santeria posts), condescension toward those "lowly" folk struggling to just survive (see the dialogues with SeattleB...who needed more than pity), and huge amounts of censorship (they were so concerned with seeming like demure nice-guys...that heated debate, even if intelligent, was stifled immediately).

I left the site long before I left the last vestiges of my religion and I feel no loss. I really don't like that site.

 

[brightmorningstar]

Any site which tells people what they want to hear can be a comfort. But this site is of course a contradiction in terms. Jesus NT teaching tells us that those who obey His teaching come to know the truth and the truth sets them free. John 14 & 15, In Him their joy is complete. So a Christian’s joy is in Jesus.
Jesus NT teaching also tells us that in Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek nor male nor female. So if there is no difference in people of different sex or race which is mentioned, there is no basis to assume there is a difference in Christ in sexual orientation, of which there is no mention. Colossians 3, Galatians 3.
Therefore who are gay Christians? people who don’t yet know who they are in Christ as they still identify themselves by their sexual desires. Or gay Christians are not Christians because they identify themselves with a sin that Christians know they are set free from in Christ.
So this site isnt helpful as gay people need to know that God loves them just like anyone else, and God wants them to be in Him just like everyone else.

The Christian message is inclusion and unity of people in the Spirit, the gay message is exclusion by identifying people by their sin.

 

[tulc]

the gay message is exclusion by identifying people by their sin.

...wait...there's a "gay message"? When did THAT come out?? How come I didn't get a memo?
tulc(runs to check his "gay friendly handbook")

 

[Phinehas2]

Dear tulc,

...wait...there's a "gay message"? When did THAT come out?? How come I didn't get a memo?

it came out when people started identifying themselves according to their sexual desires. And you wouldn’t have sent yourself a memo if you were one of those giving the message and didn’t realise it. What are gay Christians oif there isnt a gay message, I mean what other Christians are there apart from 'Christians' and 'gay Christians?' Straight Christians? left handed Christians? Christians are one in Christ, neither male nor female, Jew or Greek.

 

[Phinehas2]

The Christian message is the gospel that God so loves people who call themselves gay that He gave His only Son that they may have eternal life. Just like people who would be called straight. Becuase of Jesus God sees people as His creation and delights in them, He doesnt see them as people who have this sexual desire or that sexual desire. Indeed at the resurection there wont even be any marriage Matthew 22, so we need to place our hope in Jesus not in sex or the relationships we have sex in.

 

[Ohioprof]

Any site which tells people what they want to hear can be a comfort. But this site is of course a contradiction in terms. Jesus NT teaching tells us that those who obey His teaching come to know the truth and the truth sets them free. John 14 & 15, In Him their joy is complete. So a Christian’s joy is in Jesus.
Jesus NT teaching also tells us that in Christ there is neither Jew nor Greek nor male nor female. So if there is no difference in people of different sex or race which is mentioned, there is no basis to assume there is a difference in Christ in sexual orientation, of which there is no mention. Colossians 3, Galatians 3.
Therefore who are gay Christians? people who don’t yet know who they are in Christ as they still identify themselves by their sexual desires. Or gay Christians are not Christians because they identify themselves with a sin that Christians know they are set free from in Christ.
So this site isnt helpful as gay people need to know that God loves them just like anyone else, and God wants them to be in Him just like everyone else.

The Christian message is inclusion and unity of people in the Spirit, the gay message is exclusion by identifying people by their sin.

There is no gay message of "exclusion." That makes no sense. Gay people are just people; we as human beings are not a cause with a message.

The movement for equality is a cause with a message, or several messages. I think that supporters of equality for gay people are saying that gay people should be treated as equals under the law and should be fully included and accepted as we are. Supporters of equality for gay people are not all gay. Many of them are Christians, of all sexual orientations. The movement for equality sends a message, I think, that people of all sexual orientations should be treated as equals under the law. That is a message of inclusion, not exclusion.

 

[Ohioprof]

Dear tulc,
it came out when people started identifying themselves according to their sexual desires. And you wouldn’t have sent yourself a memo if you were one of those giving the message and didn’t realise it. What are gay Christians oif there isnt a gay message, I mean what other Christians are there apart from 'Christians' and 'gay Christians?' Straight Christians? left handed Christians? Christians are one in Christ, neither male nor female, Jew or Greek.

I am gay. I do not identify myself according to my "sexual desires." Being gay for me is about much more than "sexual desires." It's about whom I love and want to form a relationship with.

 

[tulc]

it came out when people started identifying themselves according to their sexual desires.

Really? Who does that? From what I've seen the label "gay christian" was given by people who didn't believe you could be both gay and a Christian. Most people I know who are both just see themselves as Christians.

And you wouldn’t have sent yourself a memo if you were one of those giving the message and didn’t realise it.

Uhmmm ok.

What are gay Christians oif there isnt a gay message, I mean what other Christians are there apart from 'Christians' and 'gay Christians?' Straight Christians? left handed Christians? Christians are one in Christ, neither male nor female, Jew or Greek.

See above, "Gay Christian" is what they're called, Christian is what they identify themselves as.
tulc(maybe you should tell all those people who come here to "set everyone straight" (no pun intended) to stop calling people "GAY CHRISTIANS" and start thinking of them as just Christian?)