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How Would You React If a Close Sibling Was Gay?

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I actually wonder sometimes. My brother takes little interest in dating or relationships, but sometimes it seems like he has a little more attraction to boys. He's 15 and he hangs out with girls and guys alike but he's a lot more, ahem, friendly with his guy friends. I've also gotten frequent questions asking if he's gay.

But he's also autistic, so I guess it may just be another part of that. (Hard to tell since he's still young). In any case, from my standpoint, doesn't matter. But even if I were against it, it doesn't matter to me. He's my brother and I would still love him and especially considering his circumstance there wouldn't be much I could do to tell him it's wrong. I would have to give him more time.
 
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It's possible to love and support a sibling who tells you that he or she is gay without supporting a gay lifestyle. The example in the OP related to the Catholic Church. Whoever said that did not have a clear understanding of the Church's doctrine on this matter. While homosexual acts are NOT OK, the Church teaches us to love and support people suffering with SSA. End of story. I would never decide that being gay was OK just because someone close to me had SSA. Neither would I love them any less. It's not an either-or situation!
 
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Someone doesn't have "SSA", like its some form of disease, or condition like "ADD" or "ADHD", or "MS" etc... Nor do people "suffer" being gay. People are GAY which means they are attracted to the same sex. "SSA"....honestly...love the way people have to package things like a "condition" so they can avoid it now if they get the proper bed rest, and take antibiotics for a few days... SSA is nothing more than a made up term by heterosexuals that have an issue with people being gay. The created a term that makes it sound like a disease, so they can then address it as one. Just to use such a term shows all there needs to see with regards to your acceptance of gay people. Sorry to see you are still suffering with "OSA" or "opposite sex attraction"...Hope you feel better!
 
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If my brother (who's my only sibling) "came out" to me, I'd still love and support him. He's my brother first and foremost, and as such, he deserves my love just as much as any other family member does (including God...he is supposed to be a father figure, correct?).
 
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Hope I don't rain on anybody's parade because I'm not "suffering" with SSA.

I've known who I was and what I was for decades, made my peace with it, and have gone on with my life.

In fact, I'm quite comfortable with it -- and I have it on the highest authority that I'm not the first SSA person on the planet who loves God (and God is perfectly well aware of my SSA), nor will I be the last.

In the 37 years since I came out, I've learned there are lots more important things to worry about than SSA.
 
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Wow. Re-read my post. Of course you're not the first person with SSA who loves God. You're not the last either. Glad you're not suffering Many others are unfortunately.
 
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Wow. Re-read my post. Of course you're not the first person with SSA who loves God. You're not the last either. Glad you're not suffering Many others are unfortunately.
yes, that's true
 
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HEy Uber

Whats SSA?
 
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Whats SSA?
A politically correct term used by those that have issues with their homosexuality. Rather than call it what it is, (gay and/or gay tendancies) it is turned into a "syndrome" or perhaps a "SINdrome" for it makes it more acceptable by those that unfortunately are made to suffer for their God given sexuality.
 
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Please don't listen to rick. He tries to cast every person who uses this term in a negative light for some reason. In reality, it is used as an alternative to the word "gay" so that we're not necessarily lumping those who choose not to adhere to a homosexual lifestyle in with those who do. Just a way of dealing with the issues of having the impulses and actually living the impulses out separately
 
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That is my point here. In the era of everyone being PC..we now have to use a 1/2 dozen words that mean the same thing. We can't say you're "short" any longer..we have to say you're "vertically challenged". We can't say "black" anymore..we have to say "African American". We can't say your Hawaiian anymore , we have to say "Pacific South Islander"...and along with those that don't want to say gay..they have to say "same sex attraction". Gay/Homosexaul, what have you EQUALS SAME SEX ATTRACTION!!! Homosexaul SEX does NOT make you homosexual. Homosexual ACTIVITY does NOT make you homosexual. A homosexual is a homosexaul regardless of whether they choose to practice it or not. Adhereing to homsexuality has nothing to do with whether you engaging in homosexual sex or not. Last I heard celibate priests, and celibate heterosexuals are still very much heterosexuals. Why would celibate homosexuals still not be gay? They are! No one cares whether one is a practicing homosexual, or a celibate, or whatever you want to do with your sexuality. that is entirely your choice, your busines, and is of no concern to others. if one is an addict, sex or otherwise, I can understand the need to get better, etc... If someone is beating themselves up because they are gay, and because it is based on what they have been told is necessary..than that is of a bigger sin than what one thinks of homosexuality. Not the individuals sin..but the person forcing someone to change from what God had in his plan for them!

I was angry. I hated being gay. I hated that as a RC at the time I was looked at like a freak. But I will tell you this...the support system I had from my priest, my family, may friends..NEVER waivered. I LOVED my priest and still have a relationship with him today while I no longer attend a RC Church. The reason being is this. My priest understood where I was coming from. His own brother he told me was gay and he hated what the church was doing to him. My priest understood me better than most. Always told me I was a good Christian and that God made me the way I was for his own reasons. While he personally believed that, he at the same time said , "however, Rome will not allow me to say that outloud". That was the day the RC Church was no longer for me. Hypocrocy, for me, is a sin I have the hardest time dealing with, along with self-righteousness. I still love my faith, I love my new church, and I never will disrespect the RC church. However, it is more a "business" in my eyes taking rules/laws that are man made from a person that is considered infallible. I will be judged by God and God alone. As a child of Jesus, I am welcomed in his house of worship EVERYWHERE. To be told otherwise defies Christianity, and I needed to remove myself from that. God never said, the Kingdom of God is yours if you're this, that, and the other. He said believe in me and the Kingdom of God is yours! My personal relationship with God has never been stronger, and never been better. I have HELPED gay youth and THAT is what I was meant to do. I am not here to beat up people but to LIFT up people. Be PROUD of the person you are, and will become. Homosexuals are NOT suffering from a disease or the powers of satan as some would make you believe. If you want to abstain...do it... But do not beat yourself up over your sexuality. You did nothing wrong..you have no control over it, and always remember, God works in mysterious ways.
 
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Rick - great sharing.
Our stories are similar, thanks be to God.

My sister (who is 19 years younger than me) is kind of a fundamentalist - however, we pray together, and she is always most warm and accepting, and she treats my partner as her own brother. (she ought to since he's been around my family longer than she has! )
 
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You make it sound like a disease, rather than the gift that it truly is.
 
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It's not about using different words for the same thing. SSA = the attractions, gay = the lifestyle. Don't like my usage? Tough. There's nothing wrong with it.

I will say it one more time: It is possible to love a person without condoning their lifestyle. A person who acts on their SSAs and a person who does not cannot simply be lumped into the same category together because they are living very, very different lifestyles.

As for your distaste for the Roman Catholic Church, all I can say is that it's too bad your community mistreated you so. The Church's actual teaching is that homosexuality does not make a person a "freak" -- the catechism tells us specifically that we are to treat those who are attracted to the same sex with love and respect. Calling the Church more of a "business" is insulting and unnecessary. Whoever told you that you are not welcome in a Catholic church didn't know what they were talking about It's nice that you think you've helped youth -- others might disagree considering the kind of things that you've said in your post...

How would I react if a close sibling was gay? I would not condone their lifestyle if they chose to live it out. I would not change my views that the Word of God is much more important than my own personal feelings. I would not stop loving them. I would not treat them differently.

Discussing whether homosexuality is right or wrong is not the point of this thread. We clearly have different views on this that will most likely not change by discussing them on this message board. Let's stick to the OP and forget about what acronyms are OK and which ones offend you. That's a discussion for somewhere else.
 
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I'm sorry...but I'm not going to shut up here until you decide to put this to rest. You can't go out with posts like this and think I'm not going to respond. I'm not angry, but I do have a passion about certain things, and this is one of them. First off, seeing as you are a moderator in training, I would suggest you don't be so hostile in your posts using such things as "tough" and "dont know what their talking about".

I'm not sure where you are coming from but I will say this GAY = homosexuality..PERIOD!!! Stop making your own packaged terms to make things all pretty. Gay has NOTHING to do with a lifestyle. Are heterosexuals a "lifestyle"? You can be a go go boy on a box in a dance club partying till the sun comes up and you are GAY. You can be a Dr with a life partner in bed watching the 11PM news and you are GAY! What is so hard to understand about that? IT has nothing to do with me not liking your usage and saying "tough"...it is simply not correct and you are wrong when you state it that way. Again, if you need to say you have a condition called SSA..then that is for your peace of mind..and ultimately that is what is important. However, the reality of the situation my friend, is if your impulse is to men, and you are attracted to men, and you are a man..I think it's safe to say 99 9/10% of the world population would call you gay....and then move on b/c most couldn't care less. SSA is simply another term that religious people put together to make it a bit more palitable to talk about. No different than "ex gay" or "reparitive therapy". All faith based. No science. Strictly religion speaking which is why it does not have to follow medical guidelines and be monitored, controlled and/or licensed. I can set up a store front tomorrow and call it Christ Loves You Ministries, and counsel you on SSA or EXgay...there are no guidelines or licenses necessary. Simply be ordained (and some aren't even that), and then put someone's mental stability in your hands.

As for loving a person and not condoning their lifestyle...who ever said that can't be done? I do it all the time. I still love my ex-boyfriend but hate that he smokes pot 7 days a week so I walked away. THAT, my friend, is a LIFESTYLE!!! I love my roommate to death, but think he drinks entirely too much on the weekend (he's str8 by the way). THAT is a LIFESTYLE!!

As for the Roman Catholic Church..that is strictly my opinon and based soley on my experience. I would think many others had similar experience given the sharp decline in their members of the past several years (minus the Catholics of Latin America). I was born/raised catholic and went to Catholic school for 12 years. I know MUCH about it. I never denied what the church was SUPPOSE to do when it came to homosexuality. They always say to love the sinner...hate the sin. No one says you are not welcome here directly, however, when I enter a place of worship, where the doctrine is VERY CLEAR, we do NOT accept homosexuality...we do NOT accept civil unions, and we do NOT accept you who you are...then to me, that is telling me you are not welcome. They ask me to give my tithe and yet do not accept me for who I am. The doctrine of Rome, which runs the Catholic Church, is very clear about that. They are 110% against same sex anything. The one thing I will give them however, is they are not out to change people like fundamentalists with Ex gay ministries. The RCC offers what is called "Courage" and it does help. Reason being is they talk and help homosexuals DEAL with being gay..NOT to CHANGE them from not being gay. Every priest I spoke to in the Catholic church all agreed that we do not have a choice of our sexuality, and it is something only God could understand. My issue with that is only that saying that, but at the same time condeming it just didn't make sense for me. As for the Catholic Church being "big business"...I'm not going down that route. Suffice to say that Vatican City owns the most expensive art collection in the world. They have a structure of superiority no different than CEOs to low level managers that any other major corporation has. From Pope to a Brother...they are all titles with different tasks with in the church. That is not a bashing comment. That is not an anti-Catholic comment at all. It is simply stating a fact. The church is way to involved in heirarchy than what is going on within their own faith. Again, my personal opinion. I respect the Pope and all those under him and would NEVER speak out against them. However, they are all people like you and I and with sins of their own. I sorta have a hard time bowing and kissing rings of a man that is like us. Perhaps more spiritual no doubt...but certainly not God himself. I tend to work better with congregations that are independant in and of themselves. It allows one to really profess, and worship, etc..without following guidelines of man-made doctrine. Again...ONLY MY OPIONON!!!

Finally, and I've gone on way too long....I'm not here to gather acceptance from anyone as far as whom I've helped and whom I haven't. I'm not speaking of helping people on these boards. Perhaps maybe I have..I have no idea. I'm talking in my day to day life. I know my success stories, so I need no approval from a website for what accomplishments in life. My posts have never been to bash anyone. I have simply stated facts. If you feel that is bashing, then again, I suggest you look inside yourself as to why such the hostility and apologies for any offense that may have been unintentionally taken. Now, if you want to stick to the subject at hand...I'm with you on that. However, continue to post the things you do..well you'll continue to get a response if I so choose to leave one. Peace.
 
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Thank you for your advice, but I have done just fine on my own thanks. You seem fairly defensive -- I will not forsake the Word of God because you are passionate or because you can't handle it. I will not change my wording because as I have said countless times, it is out of respect for a certain group -- it has nothing whatsoever to do with you. So yes. It is tough if you don't like it because there is nothing wrong with my wording at at all and it will not be changing.

I know how you feel about the word gay being equated with homosexuality. I disagree. End of story. I'm not arguing about it anymore because I've given perfectly valid reasons. If you still disagree, that's your business.

Living in a same-sex relationship is a lifestyle. Just as living in an opposite-sex relationship is a lifestyle. Just as living alone is a lifestyle. Just as spending 24/7 outdoors is a lifestyle. Just as spending your life in front of the TV is a lifestyle. Having SSA is not a lifestyle. Acting on SSA is a lifetstyle. Now do you see my reasoning for using the terms SSA and gay separately? You probably do, and you probably disagree. Fine. Why beat a dead dog?

Are we finished yet? I've already told you what my answer to the OP is and I've answered all of the problems you have with my posts. We disagree. That's it. Goodnight my dear, dear friend.
 
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