How would you feel if non-Christians went to heaven?

[xino]

I will feel [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]ed off!

Depends though

I mean, people who thinks they have free will, they sin all their life, while I am trying so hard to aviod. And in the end they also got to heaven. NO WAY! I will feel super [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]ed off!

Its like a rich man who constantly gets rich and can never grown poor, and you see a poor man who suffered and kept giving up is things. Yet the rich man also makes it to heaven and enjoys.


However, if its non christian who knows that there is a GoD, a sin but don't know what they are doing...then they are welcomed.


This exact questions got me angered with the Jehovah's Witness I was speaking to!
Telling me there is no hell and all the people even bad people will be brough to heaven.
People like Sadam Hussines, Mugeba, people who created the Unit 137 in Japanese. The Japanese who caused the Rape of Nanking: they invaded China and constantly repeatedly rape all Chinese women from young age to eldery.

And you are telling me, this people will go to heaven!?


Nice try Atheist and non believers!
GoD made hell for two reasons, for you and your God you worhsip Satan!

Only the good will triumph and the good always have a good ending...not the bad will ALSO share the good ending!

 

[nomoreillusions]

It saddens me to see the virulent hatred against people whose only sin it seems is to have believed in the wrong thing.

It saddens me to hear that people would actually be ANGRY if non-Christians went to heaven!

How dare you stand as judge, jury and executioner for another one of G-d's precious creations, people whom He loves, others for whom Yeshua gave his life on the cross.

"The healthy do not need a physician."


I rejoice that people, though lost on earth, could still find G-d in heaven, could still be wrapped up in His love by His mercy. I rejoice that through all the ills and false paths of this world that merely having been set upon the wrong one is not cause enough to justify some 'eternal torment.'

That is not to say that I believe that wanton rapists, murderers, etc, will be welcomed in with open arms, but that was not the question.

The question was merely "non-believers". And I've known enough people who were righteous in their lives even if their beliefs were not what I would call "correct" and there is nothing on this earth that will cause me to mourn or be angry over them joining G-d in heaven.

G-d, not you, is their Creator. It is before Him, not you, that they will someday stand. It is He, not you, that will judge their worth.

I pray that the G-d who sees the hearts of men will find the righteous spark amongst ALL people of the earth, not merely those who happened to find a right belief in the midst of the tangles of this life.

 

[itisdeliciouscake]

i think there's a bit of reasonable anger. i mean, to deny that you wouldn't be a LITTLE angry is just rediculous. if that were the situation (which i am SURE it is not). it would involve God breaking promises, which would involve him not being 100% true, which would mean that truth wasn't absolute, which would make all of God's promises possibly false, which would make the promise of salvation, in itself, possibly false.

once again, the question self-destructs its original purpose.

 

[itisdeliciouscake]

anger that would NOT be right would be any anger associated with the assumption that you actually DESERVE heaven and that they DON'T DESERVE heaven. and if you believe that, you should probably start worrying more about your OWN salvation rather than all these hypothetical situations.

 

[Lisa0315]

My instinctual answer is: It depends.

Pedophiles and Hitler and really bad people yeah, I would be a bit [wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth][wash my mouth]ed. Everyone else, I would welcome.

Yet, I shouldn't be. It is not about the good or the evil that we have done but about the love and mercy of God.

If God is merciful enough to forgive Adolph Hitler, then, so be it.

Lisa

 

[xino]

i know its up to GoD to decide.

But comeon..

I am at home praying to GoD, while these people are enjoying their time of their life (Dirty Dancing track playing wile they party).
And in the end they still join me...no way! NO CAN'T DO!


The worst of all is, people who are MASS MURDERS make it to heaven!
I mean the Austrai story, where a father kept her daughter captive for 24 years repeadly raped her and forced her to have 7 children without going to the hospital.

You are telling me that demon will party with me in Heaven!?

 

[nomoreillusions]

You are telling me that demon will party with me in Heaven!?

If you only love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even sinners do that!


What he did was inexcusable and an absolute abomination. To have done it to his own daughter turns my stomach.

But I will not say that I would petition for him to spend an eternity in hell! How does all eternity - not 100 yeras, not 1000 years, not a million years.. not even millions upon millions upon millions of years.. BUT ALL ETERNITY.. .how is that justice for a crime of 24 years? Or of 50 years? Or of 100 years?

Do you think men like him merely pop into existence in a vacuum? That they created their own evil? Did you ever stop and wonder what his own father might have done to him? Did you stop and consider what suffering this man may have endured as a child that twisted him into the father he became?

You call the man a daemon for doing that to his daughter, yet you would expect G-d to do that to one of His children? If you can not conceive of any act that girl could have committed to deserve 24 years of that hell, how can you possibly justify any sin by any person being worthy of an ETERNITY of hell?

Does G-d love His children less than that man?

Does any human deserve worse than what that girl endured?

Love your enemies, Bless those that curse you, pray for those who spitefully use and persecute you.

That man's actions were without excuse. That he may be saved from torment himself is only by G-d's endless mercy.

 

[Nadiine]

This is not a debate area where you refute other posts - that's a rule violation as I understand the FSG.

I'd love to take the time to refute nomoreillusion's post points that have reasoning flaws in them (namely Universalism's many flaws) but this is not the place to do that.

 

[beckysoup61]

As I believe many non-Christians will be in heaven, I'm good with it.

 

[seashale76]

Hello all,

How would you feel if nonbelievers - people from other religions and atheists - all went to heaven too?

In previous discussions in the GA forum, I've seen some Christians defend the existence of hell by saying that God must send unbelievers there; and that unbelievers would not be able to survive in heaven, or maybe would not enjoy it. Thinking about this prompted my question.

Thanks!

Gehenna and heaven are essentially two different ways of experiencing the same thing (i.e. it is more of a state than a place) which is the presence of God. God is love and is a burning fire. Those who have prepared themselves in this life can endure His presence and take part in His divine energies, while those who did not will be tormented by His presence (think of the youths in the fiery furnace as an analogy). Whether or not they will always experience gehenna is not for me to know. I don't even claim to be saved myself as my own race isn't completed as of yet. So, I maintain a certain agnosticism as to anyone's salvation. However, I trust in God's infinite mercy and know that only God can know a person's heart.

 

[Merlin]

It doesn't matter to me who God allows into His heaven.

 

[xino]

Do you think men like him merely pop into existence in a vacuum? That they created their own evil? Did you ever stop and wonder what his own father might have done to him? Did you stop and consider what suffering this man may have endured as a child that twisted him into the father he became?
.

please don't give me that excuse!

That is the most used excuse ever for a pedophile!

That daughter now a mother suffered!

*No real fresh air for 24 years
*had to have 7 children with no medince or drugs from doctors or nurse!
*She had to take care of 7 children, when one baby sleeps the other screams for food! Which gives her sleepless nights!
*No real proper food
*Raped repeadly!
*Distress all the time, because there is no where to go or nothing to do accept to watch tv
*kept captive for 24 years! from age 12
*kept captive from 1984! I WASN'T EVEN BORN THAT TIME!

And you are telling me this guy should be forgiven.
No sorry, this is clearly one of the worst crimes!


The excuse the man gave was: Hilter made him do it:/ How low!


Sorry, GoD made hell for a reason! Not just for Satan and his demon's..but people like that man!

 

[itisdeliciouscake]

i know its up to GoD to decide.

But comeon..

I am at home praying to GoD, while these people are enjoying their time of their life (Dirty Dancing track playing wile they party).
And in the end they still join me...no way! NO CAN'T DO!


The worst of all is, people who are MASS MURDERS make it to heaven!
I mean the Austrai story, where a father kept her daughter captive for 24 years repeadly raped her and forced her to have 7 children without going to the hospital.

You are telling me that demon will party with me in Heaven!?

exactly. we have human sense of morals and justice, it's not perfect, but to deny that you don't have it is just ignorance. considering this is about how you would FEEL about non-christians going to heaven.... emotions will rule our decisions, not biblical-wisdom.

i understand that i am equally deserving of hell as them. but because of my human nature, i obviously feel that it is very wrong for mass-murderers to get the same reward as mother theresa, but that is solely based on my feelings about such, and if my actions and beliefs were solely based on my feelings.... well.... i should be seriously worried about the state of my soul. but because of what i know to be true in God i understand i am equally as disgusting as that man.

my emotions, feelings, and human sense of morals and justice give me every reason to believe that i am indeed 'better' than that man, and more deserving of reward. however, biblical knowledge, God's Holy Spirit, and God's demonstration of injustice on our behalf tells me that i deserve hell as much as he does.

 

[Nadiine]

It's my assumption that the OP's question is proposing a question to a specific scenario based on the orthodox view of heaven & hell.

I don't think it's to ask IF people who reject & disbelieve in God get there or not.

But I believe that Christians do deserve heaven only thru Jesus Christ who IS their righteousness (upon salvation) - He is a banner over us.
His blood covers our impurities.

Those without Christ are dead in their sin & trespasses with no covering of any sacrifice. Our salvation (thru Christ Himself) gives us our standing of being 'deserving' of His inheritance. (via Grace).
No other means will do it.

It has nothing to do with being "better" than other people, BUT CHRIST IS SUPERIOR WHO COVERS OVER US AND MAKES US PURE due to HIS purity over us. (we repent).

Ephesians 5:5
5 For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.
Mark 10:15
"Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it at all."

Letting unpaid sin into a restored kingdom will only contaminate everyone & everything and keep evil from ever being done away with (which is a promise given to us by God).
This is why Gehenna was created; to contain the unrepented evil (unpaid) so it doesn't permeate what is restored to bring death and pain again.
All will be new.

If we look for a restored world & life without death and pain, we can't expect His kingdom to contain sinners who refused to repent of their trespasses and refused God; yet waltz in. It's a mockery of the cross and God's grace.
Sorry, but that would be "evil" for God to admit sin into eternity with us. It defies His own Word and allows evil to continue on without victory.
IF Christ defeated evil at the cross then it won't be entering His domain.

And that is why yes, I would be very upset if God allowed the unbelieving and unrepentant in - evil would only continue without defeat.

 

[Lisa0315]

It's my assumption that the OP's question is proposing a question to a specific scenario based on the orthodox view of heaven & hell.

I don't think it's to ask IF people who reject & disbelieve in God get there or not.

But I believe that Christians do deserve heaven only thru Jesus Christ who IS their righteousness (upon salvation) - He is a banner over us.
His blood covers our impurities.

Those without Christ are dead in their sin & trespasses with no covering of any sacrifice. Our salvation (thru Christ Himself) gives us our standing of being 'deserving' of His inheritance. (via Grace).
No other means will do it.

It has nothing to do with being "better" than other people, BUT CHRIST IS SUPERIOR WHO COVERS OVER US AND MAKES US PURE due to HIS purity over us. (we repent).

Ephesians 5:5
5 For this you know with certainty, that no immoral or impure person or covetous man, who is an idolater, has an inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
6 Let no one deceive you with empty words, for because of these things the wrath of God comes upon the sons of disobedience.
Mark 10:15
"Truly I say to you, whoever does not receive the kingdom of God like a child will not enter it at all."

Letting unpaid sin into a restored kingdom will only contaminate everyone & everything and keep evil from ever being done away with (which is a promise given to us by God).
This is why Gehenna was created; to contain the unrepented evil (unpaid) so it doesn't permeate what is restored to bring death and pain again.
All will be new.

If we look for a restored world & life without death and pain, we can't expect His kingdom to contain sinners who refused to repent of their trespasses and refused God; yet waltz in. It's a mockery of the cross and God's grace.
Sorry, but that would be "evil" for God to admit sin into eternity with us. It defies His own Word and allows evil to continue on without victory.
IF Christ defeated evil at the cross then it won't be entering His domain.

And that is why yes, I would be very upset if God allowed the unbelieving and unrepentant in - evil would only continue without defeat.

Amen!

 

[xino]

hell is meant for the wicked...you guys can keep denying the judgement for them

Their names are already written in the book of the dead, Big Man Jesus has already condemned them!

We just have to wait for the end!

I can smell someone's fresh buring

 

[Lisa0315]

hell is meant for the wicked...you guys can keep denying the judgement for them

Their names are already written in the book of the dead, Big Man Jesus has already condemned them!

We just have to wait for the end!

I can smell someone's fresh buring

The Book of the Dead??? Where is that in Scripture?

Lisa

 

[nomoreillusions]

considering this is about how you would FEEL about non-christians going to heaven.... emotions will rule our decisions, not biblical-wisdom.

Well, I would FEEL overwhelming relief and love for each and every one of my fellow human beings, however flawed, who were brought into the light and joy of G-d for eternity - knowing that I am but a flawed, sinful human myself and could easily find that I am not to be among them.

 

[xino]

The Book of the Dead??? Where is that in Scripture?

Lisa

lol

I just made that up

basically people whose name are not written in the book of life

lets just hope the angels writing down people's name doesn't forget our name

If we are in Heaven..look for me

 

[Lisa0315]

lol

I just made that up

basically people whose name are not written in the book of life

lets just hope the angels writing down people's name doesn't forget our name

If we are in Heaven..look for me

Whew! I know you are new but you will find that you cannot make jokes like that. There are some folks here who make up their doctrine as they go along.

The truth is that Revelation says there are many books and one is called The Book of Life. So, there very well could be a Book of the Dead for all we know. I just thought you were teaching that as doctrine. Thanks for clearing that up!