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How was the Ark big enough to hold 2 of all of the world's animals?

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Creationists generally believe there were fewer kinds of animals then there are today. They generally believe that families of species of animals were represented by one original kind that they all branched out from. So instead of 200 species of dogs, a pair of wolves, coyotes, jackals, foxes, etc., there was merely one original dog kind. From there the species began to form. Likewise there was one cat kind, one bear kind, one horse kind, etc. Here's an in depth article. How did all the animals fit on Noah's Ark?

and how did the serpent talk to Adam and Eve?

The Fall/Curse is perhaps one of the most overlooked events in history. The Bible makes it clear the world before the Curse was vastly different. There were several post creation modifications after Adam's fall. The snake was mentioned specifically of being physically altered. I'm of the opinion that many of the animals of the world were physically altered. Plants were altered too. These were direct acts of God. They were miracles, something science could never pick up on, IMO.

and how was there a giant in the bible?

Same way there are today. There's some tall people in this world. In the past I would imagine they were even taller. Seems certain animal kinds were much larger than they are today, so why not people? Is there really that much difference between a 7-1/2 foot basketball player, and 9-1/2 foot soldier?
 
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and how did the serpent talk to Adam and Eve?
and how was there a giant in the bible?
The Bible never says that he ark held two of each animal. It says that the ark held two of each kind of animal.

In other words, the ark would have carried two dogs, not two German shepherds, two collies, two poodles, etc....two bird, but not two cardinals, two robins, two finches, etc.

Remember also that this obviously would have excluded fish, amphibians and mammals that live in the water, like dolphins, otters, and manatees.

and how was there a giant in the bible?

The same way we have men today who are considered giants.

I just watched a Discovery channel show on a man who's over eight feet tall. He is considered to be a giant.

Likewise, I'm 6'4". If I were to travel to parts of Africa, there are races of people who are so small that I would likely be considered a giant in their eyes.

**Sorry, I didn't realize Calminian had alread made these points. And almost word for word, too. How dare you plagiarize my posts before I write them!**
 
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...**Sorry, I didn't realize Calminian had alread made these points. And almost word for word, too. How dare you plagiarize my posts before I write them!**

ha ha. No problem. I was just reading over your reply and it got me thinking. If God only brought in 2 of every kind of animal, this seems to imply that many species may have been left out. Speciation seems to be something that can happen very fast (just look at all the dogs). Perhaps the saber tooth tiger and giant sloth (megatherium) were left out since the cat and sloth kind were already represented by a distant relative species. Or maybe kinds were even broader than specie families? This would really narrow the field. Anyway, just thinking out loud. There may have been a whole lot of specific species that may have perished forever in the Flood.
 
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The History Channel has been running shows lately on recent findings of very large boats in a few ancient civilizations, even buried with an Egyptian Pharaoh.


The Inuit have legends of Dorset giants, and I think claim to have bones-- Tuniit (singular Tuniq) or Sivullirmiut ("First Inhabitants").


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Texans have big bones, anyway.


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There's much to be said for the genesis flood account indicating a localized flood rather than a global, and article exploring the original hebrew can be forund here:

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/localflood.html

If this were the case, it is quite possible that:

1) The animals gathered into the ark were local, land-dependant animals, therefore there would be enough room.
2) The flood could have wiped out humanity, considering their concentration in that part of the world at the time.

Some of my fellow christians will disagree with me, and that' okay. It's not a neccesary need-to-know portion of information. However, just so you know, debate amongst christians doesn't neccesarily mean that it's false. Just as in science, theology, or a personal understanding of the word of God, also has conflicting views of certain issues and interpretations. A truth remains intact, even if someone disagrees, this is the same in science and theology. However, as christians, our roots stay the same on the important issues.

Don't be discouraged and keep searching the truth!
 
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and how was there a giant in the bible?
There are Giants today. It can be caused from genes, or a disease that prevents the body from stoping to Grow.

The only true Giant in the Bible was Goliath who happens to merely be the tallest freak of nature in recorded history.
 
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and how did the serpent talk to Adam and Eve?
and how was there a giant in the bible?

Since the subject of the talking snake has not been addressed, I will comment.

If we maintain that all the other things in the OP are true, then we must maintain that a literal snake spoke literal words to Eve. This does not rule out the possibility that all snakes spoke actual words, or at least, were capable of speaking literal words.

I personally believe that the Genesis account is a figurative story.
 
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and how did the serpent talk to Adam and Eve?
and how was there a giant in the bible?

I will explain these to you when you explain how the Stone Circles in Europe were erected. :) I am especially interested in the alignment with the sun and moon.

Lisa
 
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Creationists would have us believe that Noah and co. repopulated the whole planet. Please! It was a local Flood IMO. As Jesus says in Luke 17: 26-29, the "days of Noah" were just like the "days of Lot". In each case, people experienced a catastrophe which "destroyed them all." No-one claims all people in the world were destroyed in the days of Lot, just the people in the fire of Sodom. Likewise, not all people in the world were destroyed in the Flood, just those in the region of the Flood. All the archaeological evidence suggests most civilisations survived the Flood.

Geologists claim there was a massive Flood that occured in ancient Mesopatamia. Coincidence? Doubt it.



Not a literal serpent, but an actual person. If someone is devious and crafty, we call them 'snakes', right? In Hebrew, the word 'Nacash' is translated as 'serpent' and defined as: "a snake figuratively, an artful malicious person." (Strong's Concordance). Jesus called the Pharisees 'serpents', but that doesn't mean they were literal snakes!

Also, God said in Genesis 3:15 that He would put "enmity" between the serpent's seed and Eve's seed. Does this mean she'd have reptilian snakes as long-time adversaries? No! It obviously means she had sex with the serpent. Satan taught her adultery and initiated her into lust, which subsequently brought the downfall of man and subjected him to death.

It does not "obviously" mean that. It means that we do not know. When Adam followed his wife into sin, did he also have sex with Satan? You are reading WAY too much into this.

Lisa
 
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