How Tyranny Came To America

[Rab Tull]

"...(W)e no longer fully have what our ancestors, who framed and ratified our Constitution, thought of as freedom — a careful division of power that prevents power from becoming concentrated and unlimited. The word they usually used for concentrated power was consolidated — a rough synonym for fascist. And the words they used for any excessive powers claimed or exercised by the state were usurped and tyrannical. They would consider the modern “liberal” state tyrannical in principle; they would see in it not the opposite of the fascist, communist, and socialist states, but their sister.

If Washington and Jefferson, Madison, and Hamilton could come back, the first thing they’d notice would be that the federal government now routinely assumes thousands of powers never assigned to it — powers never granted, never delegated, never enumerated. These were the words they used, and it’s a good idea for us to learn their language. They would say that we no longer live under the Constitution they wrote.

I call the present system “Post-Constitutional America.” As I sometimes put it, the U.S. Constitution poses no serious threat to our form of government."

Read the full Joe Sobran article here

Joe Sobran is a national treasure, IMHO.

Grace & Peace, Rab

 

[MatthewG215]

If Washington and Jefferson, Madison, and Hamilton could come back, the first thing they’d notice would be that the federal government now routinely assumes thousands of powers never assigned to it — powers never granted, never delegated, never enumerated. These were the words they used, and it’s a good idea for us to learn their language. They would say that we no longer live under the Constitution they wrote.

Would they also be upset about women *gasp* voting? Or blacks getting an education and getting a regular job instead of picking their former cotton fields? Would they be upset that the Bill of Rights that they originally opposed now has 17 additions? Despite all these changes, I think they'd be happy with the federal government. If you read Federalist Paper #10 you can see that the system wasn't about civil liberty or human dignity, but protecting old money from the popular "faction". Because us poor folk can't make decisions, right? We'd be too biased, so we should have the rich make all our decisions.

 

[Ebed-Yahweh]

Yes. The U.S. Constitution was never designed to function in perpetuity. The Republic was not to be forever. It was designed merely to serve a certain purpose at a certain time. One of those purposes being the creation of a False Utopia in the New World in order to attract the poor, the downtrodden, and the adventurous from other nations and convince them to make the dangerous oversea-journey. Then, when they had built up a large enough labor pool, the 'Power Elite' could slowly but surely erode their rights and freedoms and transform the immigrant populace into a slave labor force. The mass accumulation of wealth and power. That is all America has really ever been about.

One of the other most important things which needed to occur over the last few centuries was the destruction of the European overseas empires. At the start of WWI there were at least five or six 'Great Powers' (England, France, Germany, Austria-Hungary, Russia, the Ottoman Empire, etc.). But by November 1918 the membership in this exclusive club had shrunk to England, France (still retaining her colonies and even expanding them even despite the devastation of her homeland), America, and a few others. World government was attempted back then with the League of Nations, but it fell through without the support of the American Congress. The world would need a little more chaos, insanity, and darkness before it would fully consent to implementing such Satanic systems and ideas.

Then in the following generation WWII erupted, tore most of the remaining empires apart, and only the U.S. and the U.S.S.R. were left. The long-hoped for United Nations finally came into existence at the end of the war of course. Following hard on the heels of the War to End All Peace, The Cold War transformed the globe into two competing camps, Atheistic Communist and Capitalist Democratic (Cannibalist Demono-cratic). Then the Soviets took a (staged) dive and, the U.S. inherited the earth, becoming 'The World's Only Superpower'. Currently we see the UN playing the good cop to America's bad cop as the 'War on Terror' is waged to make the world safe for international finance capitalism, New Age globalism, and the eventual complete and total diabolical despotism of the 'Power Elite'.

 

[oldrooster]

Would they also be upset about women *gasp* voting? Or blacks getting an education and getting a regular job instead of picking their former cotton fields? Would they be upset that the Bill of Rights that they originally opposed now has 17 additions? Despite all these changes, I think they'd be happy with the federal government. If you read Federalist Paper #10 you can see that the system wasn't about civil liberty or human dignity, but protecting old money from the popular "faction". Because us poor folk can't make decisions, right? We'd be too biased, so we should have the rich make all our decisions.

I think that they would be happy as well.

 

[Ebed-Yahweh]

1. The United States ceased being a Constitutional Republic and became the American Federal Empire after the 1861-65 War Between the States (falsely labeled the American Civil War as the South had seceded and formed its own government, thus making it a separate nation).
2. In 1913 America become a slave state operated by internationl bankers and mega corporations with the creation of the Federal Reserve and the (false) ratification of the 16th Amendment (income tax).
3. The governments of America, Russia, and Zionist Israel are all controlled or manipulated by the same consortium of international bankers, mega-corporations, and/or malignant extra-dimensional forces bent on world domination and the enslavement of all mankind.

 

[Hix]

3. The governments of America, Russia, and Zionist Israel are all controlled or manipulated by the same consortium of international bankers, mega-corporations, and/or malignant extra-dimensional forces bent on world domination and the enslavement of all mankind.

ROFLOL!!

Its a conspiracy I tells you!!

 

[rglencheek]

Guys, lets get a grip on reality here.

First, Oldrooster is right, most of the Founding Fathers would be happy as punch that the democratic franchise has expanded to minorities and women. I think most of them would have been pleasantly surprised but still happy about it.

Second, the US Constitution has mechanisms that allow it to be changed. One is by amendment and the second is through judicial interpretation. Sometimes the latter supercedes the former, but the judicial branch is the entity given the responsibility to interpret the Constitution; everyone else just has opinions.

For example, the various amendments passed to allow the feds to tax citizens directly, to make senators elected by popular majority instead of appointed b y the state legislature, and other eroded the position of state's power in relation to the federal government. THIS HAS BEEN DONE WITH THE APPROVAL OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE.

So the expansion of the federal power is not unconstitutional, but is simply the result of a long evolution of the form of the federal state to m eet the timely needs of the American people. It is NOT a conspiracy.

Next time anyone starts feeling this way, just go have a beer.

 

[TheRealityOfMan]

The whole Iraq War thing and everything else is simply a SMOKESCREEN. It is all distracting the broad masses from the fact that the world is really being run from a small group of badgers who live in Kenya.

 

[kurabrhm]

The whole Iraq War thing and everything else is simply a SMOKESCREEN. It is all distracting the broad masses from the fact that the world is really being run from a small group of badgers who live in Kenya.

Kenya?
you must be joking! Kenya doesn't work! try some other country for a more jokey effect. :repost: :banned:

 

[kurabrhm]

The whole Iraq War thing and everything else is simply a SMOKESCREEN. It is all distracting the broad masses from the fact that the world is really being run from a small group of badgers who live in Kenya.

But I'm sure the former editor of Route 66 would approve of your humour.

 

[billwald]

The Constitution has been a dead issue from the Civil War. Probably from the Dred Scott decision or earlier. We are governed by case law, not by the Constitution, and this is the the way it was designed.

Question: was ultimate power given to the Supremes intentionally or did Jefferson et alia screw up?

 

[TheRealityOfMan]

Kenya?
you must be joking! Kenya doesn't work! try some other country for a more jokey effect. :repost: :banned:

Oh yeah?

Well as for the badgers, www.badgerbadgerbadger.com

As for Kenya, http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/29/

The badgers are coming.

 

[xMinionX]

Are those badgers the ones that keep emailing me for my bank info? Hmmm, rich badger prince. Interesting.

BTW, conspiracy theories are teh funny!

 

[billwald]

The constitution was designed to put ultimate control in the hands of the Supreme Court. Was it intentional or through stupidity?

 

[Individual-KesTrel]

Well honestly, who here is actually firmiliar with the patriot act?

Its a very long document. It takes away rights garunteed to us in the United States Constitution. Quite a few infact. Unless its challanged in the supreme court and over turned, I do not think that the constitution is in place currently. Rather the Patriot act.

 

[kurabrhm]

Are those badgers the ones that keep emailing me for my bank info? Hmmm, rich badger prince. Interesting.

BTW, conspiracy theories are teh funny!

OK, what on earth is going on here? Recently, I gotta random email from some guy in Africa saying that he had millions of dollars in inheritance money to give me. Exactly how someone's inheritance money from, Africa , would in any way be anything to do with me is just not worth thinking about, because its just ludicrous!! I have absolutely no connections with the continent of Africa whatsoever! But that's simply stating the obvious!!
Of course, he required my bank account details!! But the guy tried to make his story as real as possible!

Watch for these scams!!

 

[kurabrhm]

Oh yeah?

Well as for the badgers, www.badgerbadgerbadger.com

As for Kenya, http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/29/

The badgers are coming.

Hello to the reality of man!!
But man, why change your flag to Jamaica?
It would seem that you have betrayed the queen of England!! Which effectively makes you a traitor to your home country of UK!

 

[kurabrhm]

Oh yeah?

Well as for the badgers, www.badgerbadgerbadger.com

As for Kenya, http://www.weebls-stuff.com/toons/29/

The badgers are coming.

Yeah, OK, I get your point! Many people enjoy making a mockery of Africa! But hey, you can't beat Egypt for its amazing culture and history. Egypt, of course, is a part of Africa, although politically its a part of the Middle East. Morrocco, also in Africa, has some amazing mountains, great for some really wild mountain biking. So its not all bad!!

I think you deserve several blessings for scoring high on the satirical front though.

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[kurabrhm]

Though I doubt you'll get any!

But maybe I can buy you a drink instead?

 

[jgarden]

The constitution was designed to put ultimate control in the hands of the Supreme Court. Was it intentional or through stupidity?

The Supreme Court often deals with issues by default. The chief executive and the legislature have to be elected, so the system is predisposed to allow the non elected branch to do the "dirty work."

If find it difficult to accept that the Constitution allows for presidential pardons. Watergate and Irangate are the most recent high profile examples. Ford pardoned Nixon arguing that that a president could not receive "equal justice" under the American legal system. Instead of supporting our institiutions, presidential pardons undermine their credibility. If the president doesn't have faith or is accountable to the laws of the land, who is?