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You have written well as a true, confessional Lutheran. Thank you.Absolutely. We can have total confidence in God's word, in the Gospel of His grace which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.
If we throw away the Son of God we are without hope, for without Christ there is no salvation. Salvation is unconditionally ours by grace; salvation is conditional on faith. It's not either/or, it's both/and.
-CryptoLutheran
You have written well as a true, confessional Lutheran. Thank you.
So you affirm what Scripture says about baptism? That baptism is God's work and that He saves us through this means of grace?
-CryptoLutheran
Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. John 5:24Obviously.
And the means God does that is through Word and Sacrament, as Scripture attests. For "faith comes by hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ" (Romans 10:17), "this baptism now saves you" (1 Peter 3:21), "Whoever eats My flesh and drinks My blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up on the last day." (John 6:54).
So, again, can I assume you believe, as the Scriptures state, that baptism is a means of grace through which God saves us, by uniting us to Christ, to Christ's death and to Christ's life (Romans 6:3-4) and by which we are clothed with Christ (Galatians 3:27)?
Very truly I tell you, whoever hears my word and believes him who sent me has eternal life and will not be judged but has crossed over from death to life. John 5:24
Hmm, do you also have the view that "water baptism is not a work because no one can baptize himself, only God can do that?"
I think that many Lutherans probably don't give it a lot of thought. However, for those who do take their faith seriously, I think they would embrace this concept. However, please don't accept my opinion, because I am not Lutheran and cannot speak at all for Lutherans. Perhaps Mark Roehrfitsch might be willing to address this for you.Hmm, do you think all Lutherans share a similar thinking, that "water baptism is not a work because no one can baptize himself, only God can do that?"
I think that many Lutherans probably don't give it a lot of thought. However, for those who do take their faith seriously, I think they would embrace this concept. However, please don't accept my opinion, because I am not Lutheran and cannot speak at all for Lutherans. Perhaps Mark Roehrfitsch might be willing to address this for you.
Yes, that is my understanding, as well.From what I understand, that is how they reconcile salvation by faith alone apart from works, and still believe that water baptism is necessary for salvation.
In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise. Eph 1:13Amen. Word and Sacrament.
The Scriptures do not contradict each other.
In Him you also trusted, after you heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation; in whom also, having believed, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise. Eph 1:13
I think that many Lutherans probably don't give it a lot of thought. However, for those who do take their faith seriously, I think they would embrace this concept. However, please don't accept my opinion, because I am not Lutheran and cannot speak at all for Lutherans. Perhaps Mark Roehrfitsch might be willing to address this for you.
Agreed. Thank you.Lutherans who know their Confessions recognize that we are passive recipients of God's work and grace. We are no more active in our baptism tahn we are active in hearing the preaching of the Gospel.
-CryptoLutheran
Standard Christian belief by which also you are saved is that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures; 1 Cor 15:1-4Amen. Word and Sacrament.
It's standard Christian belief, and it's in our Confessions--so yes.
Lutherans who know their Confessions recognize that we are passive recipients of God's work and grace. We are no more active in our baptism tahn we are active in hearing the preaching of the Gospel.
-CryptoLutheran
Quite so.So, by that reasoning, would you also regard physical circumcision similarly as not a work as well?
Jews are even more passive recipients since it was done to them at 8 days old.
Quite so.
Most Reformed folks will refuse to go down that road because of its obvious dead end. They prefer to use circumcision in a generic sense to justify baptizing infants. The Lutherans seem to not even see the road.I want to understand how far they are willing to push that particular reasoning.
After all physical circumcision is extremely painful, compared to water baptism.
To an adult, it thus makes little sense to tell him that circumcision is not a work, merely because he cannot circumcise himself. =)
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