How to prove that GOD exists from a scientific point of view?

[YahuahSaves]

You are the one who claimed there was a distinction between the two, not me. I'm simply asking you to support your claim.

So who you define as  you is just a product of the electrical impulses in your brain? If you say your physical body and identity can't be separated?

 

[YahuahSaves]

Laws against abortion, stem cell research, teaching creationism in science classes... And I don't want my daughter forced to participate in religious education classes at school.

So is this why you don't seek any spirituality for yourself? You believe all spirituality is religion? I'm not talking about just the God of the bible. I'm talking about the speculation that there's nothing behind existence, because you can't prove it.

Why would religious people trying to push their religion into law be an argument against God?

Because people think they're one and the same, as you have shown.

No need to be dismissive. If you can't answer the question, just say so.

If you don't believe you have a spirit that exists independently of your body after its in the grave that's up to you, but it makes me sad that you believe that.

Belief in Jesus is a religion. It's called Christianity.

Jesus was the only one who could truly be called "Christian". He is Christ, the Messiah.

Yeah, people of every sect of Christianity say the same thing.

No they don't. Look deeper.

You said, "Often the true followers can agree on the experience of the presence of God."

OK my bad. I should have written it like "Often the true followers can agree on the experience of the presence of God". Believers and followers can be one and the same, but they're being separated more and more as the man-made church system becomes more and more worldly as time goes on.

Oh, so now you get to dictate not only the test I should do, but also the results I should get.

You asked me to give you a test. I provided an example. Now I'm a dictator?
If you practice the example given the results will speak for themselves.

And here we go. If I don't get an answer, you put in a way to explain it away. "Oh, you just weren't listening!" Or maybe it was because he wasn't there to begin with.

No I said heart posture actually. Stop twisting my words. I said he will answer provided your heart posture is right and if you're listening.

Oh, how wonderful it is for you to be here so you can tell me the truth about something I did years ago, which you weren't there for, which you didn't even know about today, but still somehow have a greater understanding of it than I do!

I was only going by what you wrote. If you were more specific then I wouldn't have assessed what your heart posture appeared to be.
Honest question: did religion hurt you? Do you have a past with it?

 

[Kylie]

So who you define as  you is just a product of the electrical impulses in your brain? If you say your physical body and identity can't be separated?

Pretty much. There's a wealth of evidence that shows that changes to the structure of the brain result in changes to personality, etc. If who a person actually is was somehow separate from their physical body, why would changes to that body result in changes to the personality?

 

[2PhiloVoid]

Could you give a brief overview of his approach on Genesis 1 please?

Oh! I almost forgot. Conrad Hyers, like Langdon Gilkey, didn't think that Creationism should be taught in the classroom.

God rest their souls!

 

[Kylie]

So is this why you don't seek any spirituality for yourself? You believe all spirituality is religion? I'm not talking about just the God of the bible. I'm talking about the speculation that there's nothing behind existence, because you can't prove it.

Why should I accept as fact anything that can't be proven?

Because people think they're one and the same, as you have shown.

That doesn't answer the question.

If you don't believe you have a spirit that exists independently of your body after its in the grave that's up to you, but it makes me sad that you believe that.

If you have evidence that "a spirit that exists independently of your body" exists, please share it.

Jesus was the only one who could truly be called "Christian". He is Christ, the Messiah.

*looks at your religion marker...*

No they don't. Look deeper.

Please show me any sect of Christianity that does NOT say it is the correct belief system.

OK my bad. I should have written it like "Often the true followers can agree on the experience of the presence of God". Believers and followers can be one and the same, but they're being separated more and more as the man-made church system becomes more and more worldly as time goes on.

You don't seem to understand how the No True Scotsman fallacy works.

As soon as you say, "Only a true X could do Y," you are giving yourself a way to say that anyone who doesn't do Y is not a true X, and therefore you can disregard them.

You asked me to give you a test. I provided an example. Now I'm a dictator?

It was a lousy test. It is open to subjective interpretation and has no way to verify the results.

If you practice the example given the results will speak for themselves.

Already have done, as I've told you. It didn't work. Admit it, your test doesn't work.

But no, you'd rather find ways to blame me for the failure because you don't want to admit that your test is a bad test.

No I said heart posture actually. Stop twisting my words. I said he will answer provided your heart posture is right and if you're listening.

And once again, you find a way to pass the blame to me rather tham consider you've just got a lousy test.

I was only going by what you wrote. If you were more specific then I wouldn't have assessed what your heart posture appeared to be.
Honest question: did religion hurt you? Do you have a past with it?

The only hurt has been arrogant Christians who think they know better than me what I have done regarding religion.

I was not raised with any religious belief. Why are you so unable to comprehend that people can be atheists because they see no rational argument for religion?

 

[Lost Witness]

Already have done, as I've told you. It didn't work. Admit it, your test doesn't work.

But no, you'd rather find ways to blame me for the failure because you don't want to admit that your test is a bad test.

You are here for more than just to argue why you don't believe in GOD,
Fact of the matter is,
Part of you knows he's real or you simply wouldn't bother.
I don't waste time arguing that 'santa' isn't real because he isn't.

 

[Kylie]

You are here for more than just to argue why you don't believe in GOD,
Fact of the matter is,
Part of you knows he's real or you simply wouldn't bother.
I don't waste time arguing that 'santa' isn't real because he isn't.

Maybe I should use that reasoning to people who argue against evolution, huh?

And yet again, that arrogance of someone thinking they understand my belief position better than I do.

 

[Kylie]

Oh! I almost forgot. Conrad Hyers, like Langdon Gilkey, didn't think that Creationism should be taught in the classroom.

God rest their souls!

I was hoping for a bit more than that...

 

[Lost Witness]

Maybe I should use that reasoning to people who argue against evolution, huh?

And yet again, that arrogance of someone thinking they understand my belief position better than I do.

Micro evolution does occur and that's about the jist of 'evolution'

 

[Kylie]

Micro evolution does occur and that's about the jist of 'evolution'

Way to miss my point...

 

[Lost Witness]

that arrogance of someone thinking they understand my belief position better than I do.

Then Enlighten Us, Please.

 

[Kylie]

Then Enlighten Us, Please.

I have made my position abundantly clear.

You are the one who came in, ignored what I said, and proceeded to tell me what I really believed. You don't even know me, so the idea that you could ever be in a better position than me to tell me what my beliefs are is sheer arrogance, nothing more.

 

[Lost Witness]

Honest question: did religion hurt you? Do you have a past with it?

 

[AV1611VET]

I have made my position abundantly clear.

You are the one who came in, ignored what I said, and proceeded to tell me what I really believed. You don't even know me, so the idea that you could ever be in a better position than me to tell me what my beliefs are is sheer arrogance, nothing more.

Oh, please.

I've been called everything but what's in my profile.

Even by the likes of Aron Ra, Glen Morton, and Lucaspa.

 

[Kylie]

Oh, please.

I've been called everything but what's in my profile.

Even by the likes of Aron Ra, Glen Morton, and Lucaspa.

Once again AV butts into a conversation that doesn't involve him.

 

[Lost Witness]

I have made my position abundantly clear.

You are the one who came in, ignored what I said, and proceeded to tell me what I really believed. You don't even know me, so the idea that you could ever be in a better position than me to tell me what my beliefs are is sheer arrogance, nothing more.

My apologies I didn't mean to offend you,
Clearly something drives you to have such a stance and it's not 'science'

 

[Kylie]

My apologies I didn't mean to offend you,
Clearly something drives you to have such a stance and it's not 'science'

I love this.

You apologize for acting like you know me better than I do, but then you turn around and do the exact same thing again.

That shows me that your apology is meaningless, and you either don't understand or don't care about how rude you are being.

 

[YahuahSaves]

Belief in Jesus is a religion. It's called Christianity.

You see them as one and the same. They are not. Jesus is God.

Every single believer just so happened to pick the One True Faith (tm).

You missed the point with my reference to the bible and the evidence in the video. You would have picked it had you have actually read the bible for yourself. If you say you have, the you haven't truly understood it. That's what happens with a linear view.

Pretty much. There's a wealth of evidence that shows that changes to the structure of the brain result in changes to personality, etc. If who a person actually is was somehow separate from their physical body, why would changes to that body result in changes to the personality?

You make a good point.
Please explain how a violent criminal's "personality" can change after coming to Christ? Can't possibly happen by itself.

Why should I accept as fact anything that can't be proven?

You don't have to. It's your God-given choice to not accept him.

That doesn't answer the question.

Yes it did, refer to the top of this post.

Please show me any sect of Christianity that does NOT say it is the correct belief system.

I wasn't talking about Christianity. I was talking about Jesus and the bible. No denominations are necessary to follow him.

As soon as you say, "Only a true X could do Y," you are giving yourself a way to say that anyone who doesn't do Y is not a true X, and therefore you can disregard them.

No I don't "disregard" people, but it's the state of the world at the moment. If you believed in God you would understand. He is the one that separates the wheat from the chaff, not me.

It was a lousy test.

Point taken. But it's the best way for an unbeliever to seek God. Testimonies have proven that.

Already have done,

Doubt it.

But no, you'd rather find ways to blame me for the failure

It is our responsibility to humble ourselves before God, not the other way around.

And once again, you find a way to pass the blame to me

You seem unable to take responsibility for your own words. You twisted what I said, so I pointed that out to you.

The only hurt has been arrogant Christians who think they know better than me what I have done regarding religion.

Believers are still humans you know. We aren't perfect. Just because I believe in God and you don't, does not mean I'm trying to be arrogant, I'm trying to stretch your thinking a bit. And besides, God is not humans. Whatever a Christian has done to hurt you is not a reflection of God. He loves you.

 

[Lost Witness]

I love this.

You apologize for acting like you know me better than I do, but then you turn around and do the exact same thing again.

That shows me that your apology is meaningless, and you either don't understand or don't care about how rude you are being.

I'm just trying to figure you out,
As you said openly,
I don't know you,
No Need to get So upset.

 

[Kylie]

You see them as one and the same. They are not. Jesus is God.

And belief in Jesus being God is RELIGION.

You missed the point with my reference to the bible and the evidence in the video. You would have picked it had you have actually read the bible for yourself. If you say you have, the you haven't truly understood it. That's what happens with a linear view.

I don't have the same position as you, so you conclude that I must be lying when I said I have read the Bible.

There's that arrogance again. The idea that anyone who reads the Bible MUST reach the same conclusion as you.

You make a good point.
Please explain how a violent criminal's "personality" can change after coming to Christ? Can't possibly happen by itself.

I'm sorry, did you read what I wrote?

I said a change to a person's body can result in changes to their personality. People have received brain injuries and they have become completely different people.

Now tell me, do you think that a person finding religion changes the physical structure of their brains?

You don't have to. It's your God-given choice to not accept him.

It's not God given at all, because I don't believe he exists.

Yes it did, refer to the top of this post.

And you do the same to this post.

Belief in Jesus is a religious belief.

I wasn't talking about Christianity. I was talking about Jesus and the bible. No denominations are necessary to follow him.

Irrelevant. Just because the Bible makes a claim it does not mean that claim is true.

No I don't "disregard" people, but it's the state of the world at the moment. If you believed in God you would understand. He is the one that separates the wheat from the chaff, not me.

Yes you are doing it, the moment you say only a "true" Christian can do it.

Point taken. But it's the best way for an unbeliever to seek God. Testimonies have proven that.

If that's the best you've got, then you don't have very much. Anecdote and personal testimony are terrible ways to find objective truth.

Doubt it.

Once again you arrogantly tell me that you understand me better than I do.

It is our responsibility to humble ourselves before God, not the other way around.

I'd be happy to, once I am shown evidence that he exists.

You seem unable to take responsibility for your own words. You twisted what I said, so I pointed that out to you.

You said that if I do X, I will get result Y.

I pointed out that I have indeed done X and I did NOT get result Y.

You can't understand that your recommendation is flawed, so you pass the blame to me.

That's not twisting what you said.

Believers are still humans you know. We aren't perfect. Just because I believe in God and you don't, does not mean I'm trying to be arrogant, I'm trying to stretch your thinking a bit. And besides, God is not humans. Whatever a Christian has done to hurt you is not a reflection of God. He loves you.

No, I never said you were arrogant because you believe and I don't.

I said you are arrogant because you tell me that I am wrong about my own beliefs, and you all but accused me of lying when I said I had asked God to reveal himself to me. You are also showing your arrogance again by assuming that I must hold the position I do because a Christian must have hurt me. You seem incapable of understanding that I hold the position that I do because I have examined the evidence for God and found it severely lacking.