How to prove that GOD exists from a scientific point of view?

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IMO the problem with the First Cause argument is that it claims there could only be one first cause dismissing the possibility of multiple, and it implies the first cause had to be more intelligent than everything that came after it.
It has a number of issues including being
just too cute.
Another is, if it's proof of some "god" then
there's no need for faith, a key tenet of
Christianity.

Then too, presenting that there HAS to be
cause for everything except this exception
is a self defeating argument.
 
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As long as it is approached with an open mind, I think it is very possible that science will eventually find God. We just aren't there yet. Compared to say 500 years from now, I'm sure today's science will seem very crude and primitive, just like the science of the 1500's seems to us now. There is no telling what mysteries may be revealed to us in the future.
Which do you think has the "open mind",
science or religion?
 
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Look into Lee Strobel,
He Was an investigative journalist in 1980 who was an avowed atheist,
Who Tried to Debunk the Resurrection of Christ,
pretty interesting.

I think Kylie would get more use (and relevance) out of reading Lee Smolin than from reading Strobel. At least, at this point.

Just say'n!
 
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Which do you think has the "open mind",
science or religion?

To have an open mind comes from a choice made by a person, but "science" and "religion" are mere abstract concepts and don't automatically imply that a willingness to learn more is, or will be, present with any person at any given time.
 
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Interesting perspective. I think thou, how ever it's achieved, mind altering stimuli has been a part of the Human spiritual experience for a very long time.
Stress does interesting things.
I was accepted at three American grad schools
A big decision plus a new country, on my own.

I'm an insomniac anyway.

I worried about it for many days, can't decide!.

Then it came to me, ' All unbidden" as they say.
Walking a trail, not thinking about grad school.

" GO TO SCHOOL B" ( Not exactly the
words that were Cantonese anyway, but
that's the idea.)

It was like a voice speaking in my head, with
unshakeable authority!

It really impressed me, but, being me, it
was not long before I was at it again, Which
Oh WHICH should i choose?

Sure enough in a week or so, here it is again.
" GO THOU UNTO SCHOOL A".

I did eventually choose of course, but I learned
something about what ones mind can do to
try to relieve stress.

So often what are taken as real mystical
experiences are induced this way.

i can hardly imagine the depths
of despair, often in prison,but it's obviously very
stressful.

And if the ecstatic exprience works, who is
to knock it?

I could have saved myself some grief if
I'd just listened to that "Voice".
 
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To have an open mind comes from a choice made by a person, but "science" and "religion" are mere abstract concepts and don't automatically imply that a willingness to learn more is, or will be, present with any person at any given time.
You know what I mean and you
are just being tiresome.
 
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I think Kylie would get more use (and relevance) out of reading Lee Smolin than from reading Strobel. At least, at this point.

Just say'n!
Most of these "avowed" atheists, maybe
all, we're born into some religion, broke
away, and rather predictably, fell back
into it.

Some then exploit their exploits by writing a book.

And others come along and try to tell us
it's like deep, and meaningful.
 
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Most of these "avowed" atheists, maybe
all, we're born into some religion, broke
away, and rather predictably, fell back
into it.

Some then exploit their exploits by writing a book.

And others come along and try to tell us
it's like deep, and meaningful.

My apologies, but I'm not sure what this has to do with Lee Smolin?
 
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A Christian scientist a few years ago told me that GOD was beyond science so people had to approach HIM based upon faith, like, he is outside of space and time. GOD is an immaterial spirit, right?

Some people have used logic and science, including archaeology and math, to argue away the existence of GOD per say, but not all scientists are atheists. Some of them actually do believe in GOD.

Dad says that complexity of human DNA proves that there is an intelligent creator behind the existence of mankind. He points to that as evidence of GOD and of his faith.

Some of these university professors, who have PHDs and a lot of education under their belt, like to say that GOD does not exist because its not smart or something like that.

Well, I was born pretty smart (for a human) and I still believed anyway. So why does belief in God possibly make me stupid? It does not is what I am saying.

For someone who, unlike me, won't believe on their own and they need, like, science to try and help them find GOD, what should I say to them? Is there any scientific evidence to support GOD?

I don't think GOD can actually be found by science. Science deals strictly with the earthly realm, or with what can be seen visibly, so if one is going to find HIM they have to step outside of this world based upon faith.

So GOD is an immaterial spirit, meaning HE is not confined to what can be seen and measured, HE is beyond all of it. Therefore science is unable to either prove or disprove HIS existence. And it probably never will prove HIS existence anyway.
There is a different kind of evidence for believers as Hebrews 11:1 says faith is " the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen". That evidence of things unseen are what we can derive directly from our conscious experience about the world, how faith in divine ideas is inherent in human cognition and not some after thought that we have been indoctrinated with. How we can know transcendent truths about the world beyond its material appearance.
 
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Yes they can.
The Earth itself tells us a lot about the process which can be tested against the Bible Creation beliefs.
If the earth itself is telling us so much about the process, then evidently they aren't listening, are they?

Or they would have done it by now, if they could.

But they can't get something to come into existence ex nihilo.

So I guess they went to Plan B (cosmic evolution).
 
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So I guess they went to Plan B (cosmic evolution).
That seems to the process that is tested against against the Bible Creation story. As pointed out, contrary what was said, the Bible Creation story can be tested.
 
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That seems to the process that is tested against against the Bible Creation story. As pointed out, contrary what was said, the Bible Creation story can be tested.
Nope.

God put in writing what He did, how He did it, when He did it, what order He did it in, where He did it, why He did it, how long it took Him to do it, why it took Him that long, and who the eyewitnesses were.

And science can take a hike.

NOTE: And don't overlook the fact that those eyewitnesses are still alive and well today.
 
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Nope.

God put in writing what He did, how He did it, when He did it, what order He did it in, where He did it, why He did it, how long it took Him to do it, why it took Him that long, and who the eyewitnesses were.

And science can take a hike.

NOTE: And don't overlook the fact that those eyewitnesses are still alive and well today.
When tested by what the Earth is actually showing us, the Bible Creation story fails the test.
 
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