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Let people be themselves as long as it doesn't affect others.So what's your cure for the state the world is in? If you'd watched the video I posted earlier, you would have opened your eyes to the insidious and far reaching infection of sin.
Well, far be it to let economics get in the way if a man wants to become the weaker vessel.Economics is based on consistency. The purpose of Mathematics' symbols and tautologies is to maintain that consistency.
Because God created me female.ow do you know that you are whatever gender you believe yourself to be?
We weren't talking about you, we're talking about transgender people.nd as I've already said, I believe myself to be a woman. This is not because of the shape of my genitals, since the removal of those genitals will not change the way I identify.
No, we're talking about the entirety of the biological make-up of a person, externally and internally. So what's the conclusion on gender in that respect?You are trying to change the topic. We are not talking about the biological structures that a person has between their legs.
And there we have the snide remarks about Christians again.The difference is that I don't see trans people trying to tell me that I should be trans too.
Is there? Show me with a link to that evidence.By the way, there is evidence that trans people's minds really are the gender they claim to be.
But it does affect them. God says we're to love him and love others as ourselves. Many of us cannot truly love ourselves because of the worlds culture and therefore cannot truly love others and instead spread lies and hatred. Scripture also says those who don't know God, do not know love, because God is love.Let people be themselves as long as it doesn't affect others.
As a person who was born with a deformity, if you'd asked me this before coming to Christ, I would have said yes. But since God has shown me my wanting to amputate my leg as a teenager was wrong, the answer now, is no. This life is not all about "happiness". People use that as a reason for any sin against God.And what about if a person is born with a deformity, their body is not the way it should be? Is it okay in your eyes for such a person to have surgery to correct that? To get their body looking a way that makes the person happy?
And what tells you that?Because God created me female.
Why would it be any difference? Surely a person's gender identity is a person's gender identity?We weren't talking about you, we're talking about transgender people.
Well, if we are going to do that, then you will surely have no need to refer to what people have between their legs, since you've got the rest of their body to deal with.No, we're talking about the entirety of the biological make-up of a person, externally and internally. So what's the conclusion on gender in that respect?
Well, maybe if you hadn't repeatedly stated that you believed that you had a responsibility to bring others into your faith...And there we have the snide remarks about Christians again.
Already have done. Twice.Is there? Show me with a link to that evidence.
Oh wow, two whole people. Because all trans people's experiences are exactly the same, aren't they?P.s. if you actually watch the video I posted of 2 transgender person's testimonies, you'll see the problem goes much deeper than anything science, medicine or psychiatry can fix. God shows people things they don't even recognise in themselves and heals what no other person can heal. He is the cure. Whether you choose to pander to the lie is your choice, but I know where I stand, people need truth, not more lies.
Please tell me how you, living in Melbourne, are affected by a trans person living in Iqaluit, northern Canada.But it does affect them. God says we're to love him and love others as ourselves. Many of us cannot truly love ourselves because of the worlds culture and therefore cannot truly love others and instead spread lies and hatred. Scripture also says those who don't know God, do not know love, because God is love.
And a woman who has to have a mastectomy to save her life is wrong for wanting to get an implant so her chest isn't lopsided, isn't she?As a person who was born with a deformity, if you'd asked me this before coming to Christ, I would have said yes. But since God has shown me my wanting to amputate my leg as a teenager was wrong, the answer now, is no. This life is not all about "happiness". People use that as a reason for any sin against God.
I said I have a responsibility to share the gospel. And I'm pretty sure I said it once, not repeatedly.Well, maybe if you hadn't repeatedly stated that you believed that you had a responsibility to bring others into your faith...
So your "evidence" suggests otherwise?Oh wow, two whole people. Because all trans people's experiences are exactly the same, aren't they?
Who said I was affected? I said they're affected.Please tell me how you, living in Melbourne, are affected by a trans person living in Iqaluit, northern Canada.
Absolutely not. A fallen world is the result of sin. Human choices create outcomes God never intended. But he uses those outcomes to further the kingdom anyway.Or are you suggesting that God wants us to suffer?
By my calculations, 30 people is more than 2 people.So your "evidence" suggests otherwise?
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"Some of the first biological evidence of the incongruence transgender individuals experience, because their brain indicates they are one sex and their body another, may have been found in estrogen receptor pathways in the brain of 30 transgender individuals."
It says "may have" and it says 30 people. Not very convincing.
So if you aren't affected, what difference does it make to you?Who said I was affected? I said they're affected.
I've told you to stop telling me what my position is. Reported.Please tell me how, being married to a Christian, you came to despise Christians so much?
You don't know how many transgender people have come to faith in Christ.By my calculations, 30 people is more than 2 people.
Replacing the lies with Gods truth is vital to human healing.So if you aren't affected, what difference does it make to you?
I didn't tell you, I asked you. You keep getting nasty towards Christians on this site.'ve told you to stop telling me what my position is. Reported.
You know the Holy Spirit told me leave this thread way back in post #3,024Don't call it snide remarks when I'm just pointing out what you have already admitted you do.
No of couse not .. that would be silly.OK so, according to you, based on a transgender person's belief they are the opposite gender, and not the one they were born with, this is verifiable mathematically,
A belief in God also produces expressions using language and actions. There's no question, for me, that the belief in God informs what the words 'reality', or 'exists', means for those people .. (ie: the same as for those folk above).but a belief in God isn't? Sounds contradictory to me.
On that we agree. Did you watch the testimony I posted? Lots that would both disagree with the former statement and agree with the latter.We are talking about generally normal healthy minds/people here. Both gender identification and sexual preference start with perceptions created by an individual's mind.
We can't always tell a lot about someone's behaviour though. It's still a perception when we observe someone else. Jesus was called a drunkard and a glutton after all, based on the observations of the religious people.Once expressed using language and actions, that then becomes an objectively testable one for an onlooker. This, is the scientific approach.
So you didn't clarify if you think belief in gender identity and belief in God can be observed scientifically?(i) the belief based way or (ii) the scientific method way. When the scientific method is used, successful test data results in what science the means by its term of 'Objective Reality'.
Nope .. missed it.On that we agree. Did you watch the testimony I posted? Lots that would both disagree with the former statement and agree with the latter.
Sounds fair enough .. (with the caveats that 'the world around them' is also a perceptual mind model and Psychology is the scientific study of mind and behaviour).Pipp@ said:My interest in psychology far outweighs my interest in science. A person's mind is central to how they live in and relate to the world around them.
An observation carries a different implication in science though.Pipp@ said:We can't always tell a lot about someone's behaviour though. It's still a perception when we observe someone else.
.. and that isn't what physics would call 'an observation'.Pipp@ said:Jesus was called a drunkard and a glutton after all, based on the observations of the religious people.
Beliefs can be distinguished by using an operational (testable) definition of belief. They are demonstrably the basis of what believers mean whenever they use the terms 'exists, is real, are', (etc).Pipp@ said:So you didn't clarify if you think belief in gender identity and belief in God can be observed scientifically?
An observation carries a different implication in science though.
So what's your opinion on gender dysphoria? Can it be proven scientifically based on the above definitions? If the answer is yes, how does belief in one's identity, differ from a belief in God?.. and that isn't what physics would call 'an observation'.
When the scientific method is used, successful test data results in what science the means by its term of 'Objective Reality'.
Show me a study then.You don't know how many transgender people have come to faith in Christ.
Good luck with that.Replacing the lies with Gods truth is vital to human healing.
You could have easily changed my mind by providing evidence to back up your claim, which is at the very heart of all science (and that's what this thread is about, scientific evidence for God).You know the Holy Spirit told me leave this thread way back in post #3,024
But foolishly, I thought I could soften your hardened heart towards him. I was wrong. I will bow out to let you fight among yourselves. Don't respond any more or I may have to report you.
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