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Why do you need proof? Are you trying to prove that the Jews of today are not real Jews?
The reason the Israeli's do not get along with the Palestinians might have something to do with the PLO throwing grenades into school buildings.
...just a hunch.
Well you clearly get your marching orders from the pope and the church who has killed millions over the past 1900 years
so don't talk to me about "human rights violations"!
And sense you are so concerned about the "rights" of others then why don't you discuss Saudi Arabia or Pakistan instead of Israel when other country's have done worse to their own people and others?
Tell me why should Israel's right to exist be recognized if the Palestinian's own rights and lives are not recognized?
Why not volunteer your home and family homes and lands?
Not according to the Laws of Israel . . . . .It entitles you to nothing sense you married a "Palestinian Christian" and accepted Jesus thus if you do have Jewish "blood" you have thus forfeited your right among us Jews.
A very apt description of how zionists see the law as it applies to Jews and all others ie non-Jews. . . wide for them, narrow for us.Funnel's Law: Wide for me, Narrow for you.
I also suggest you do a little research.
I stopped listening to Steve Berry's The Alexandria Link is that this book is evil
I mean that this book, to the degree that it is read by people ignorant of history (i.e., practically everybody), will move us closer to a future in which our society permits or even approves of the murder of Jews and the destruction of the state of Israel.
Wait! This book is fiction! How could it have such an effect?
Well, it can't -- not all by itself. Its effect is incremental. But it's real.
Here's how it works.
At the beginning of the book, we are shown a Palestinian during the 1948 war over the creation of the state of Israel. The scene is about how this Palestinian has been torturing a man he captured in order to find out what he is doing; then he kills him. But the torture is not treated in the fiction as anything other than a regrettable necessity; later, the character does in fact regret his actions that day.
That's not what makes this book evil. No, it's the fact that Berry sets this scene against a background in which Israelis are systematically driving all the Palestinians out of Israel; the Israelis are heavily armed by the British while the Palestinians have no weapons to counter them; and the Israelis have rounded up whole villages of Palestinians and slaughtered them, men and women alike.
These things are not what the scene is about. They are slipped in as background; they are treated as if they were the sort of thing that was really going on in Palestine in 1948.
This is the kind of thing that readers -- especially ones who don't know anything about history -- are likely to assume the writer has researched, so that it can be trusted. The book is fiction, so we know this particular character did not torture and kill the other guy -- that part is obviously made up. But the background is assumed to be real. And readers often come out of books like this thinking they now know something about the real world.
In fact, what Berry is providing is pure propaganda -- the propaganda created by terrorists and murderers to "prove" that Jews "deserve" to be blown up by suicide bombers. It is exactly as reliable as the widely-believed propaganda lie that either President Bush or the state of Israel -- or both -- actually carried out the 9/11 attacks in order to provide a pretext for invading innocent Muslim countries.
(Oddly, the same liars who make this claim often turn around and talk about how proud they are that Islam stood up against the West on 9/11. Which is it? Why would you be proud of it if you didn't do it? They know they're lying; the incredible thing is that so many supposed intellectuals in the West believe it, or pretend to.)
The truth -- the well-documented historical truth -- is that the British did not arm the Israelis. They blocked all attempts by the Israelis to arm themselves. Every weapon that the Israeli army had in 1948 was smuggled in. While the "poor, unarmed Palestinians" were supported by the fully-armed military forces of Jordan, Syria, and Egypt. The Arabs had the military advantage, in numbers and in weaponry.
Furthermore, while there were places where Israelis encouraged Muslims to flee, it was not a systematic effort, and many of those who fled did so at the well-documented insistence of Muslim leaders, who wanted Muslims out of the way so they could set about the business of slaughtering Jews. Only Israeli courage and audacity in combat prevented the genocidal outcome intended by the Arabs who defied the United Nations by trying to destroy Israel at the moment of its creation.
At the end of the war, the reason there was no Palestinian state is not because the Israelis prevented it. It was because the Arab nations prevented it -- Egypt took over the rule of the Gaza Strip and Jordan ruled the West Bank, declaring it to be part of their national territory and suppressing any attempt to create a Palestinian state there. As for wholesale slaughter of Palestinian civilians by Israelis, it didn't happen. Nowhere, not in 1948, and not since then. A lot of people think it has happened because of propaganda. Like when the media was full of reports, during the intifadeh, that Israelis had massacred hundreds or thousands of Palestinians in Jenin. Later, sober investigation showed that no such thing had happened -- that, on the contrary, Israelis had suffered needless casualties on their own side because of the extraordinary lengths they went to to prevent civilian casualties on the other side.
http://www.ornery.org/essays/warwatch/2007-02-18-1.html
If the world supports our enemies then they will suffer for it. As a nuclear strike would only be used if Israel was attacked by many nations at once where by the end was inevitable and thus the end of the world would soon come so if that happens the goy would have no one to blame but themselves.
How was he protecting himself?Self defense is not murder as you are protecting yourself against the murderer(s).
Carey, do you make a habit of raising Red Herrings like this?
You're the only one talking about "The Alexandria Link" . .. no one else here probably even knows what it is . . I surely didn't.
So if you are trying to imply we have read this book and somehow been unduly influenced by it, you are fabtricating pure fairytales. . . .
And by the way, the information you posted to defend your position is so lopsided it isn't funny . . .
Nothing you posted above has any real bearing on the facts of the matter.
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Your demand is frivolous, unwarranted and without merit.First of all don't quote a verse that denotes the life span of a slave as you have not provided the verse discussing the promise that G-d gives the land of Israel to us Jews for all time, you are simply trying to use another verse to justify what you want.
The fact is no matter what info is put before you you will blow it off unless its what you want to hear...LOL
The fact is the Palestinians are the far worse of the 2 evils.
The Muslim palestinians even when they govern themselves have constant war between themselves.
Islam has made it impossible for Christian Palestinians to ever have peace and prosperity .
No matter how many words you use trying to blame the Israeli Government you cannot change this fact.
The covenant is with all the tribes not just Judah as all the tribes are of Abraham.
Carey, your response is nothing more than a string of one logical fallacy after another.
Logical Fallacy: Assumes Facts Not In Evidence.
Logical Fallacy: Ignores Facts in Evidence.
Logical Fallacy: Assumes Facts Not In Evidence.
Logical Fallacy: Ignores Facts in Evidence.
Logical Fallacy: Assumes Facts Not In Evidence.
Logical Fallacy: Ignores Facts in Evidence.
You have produced NOT ONE FACT.
You have only shared your opinion, as misinformed as it is.
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Yes, we know all about the suffering of the Palestinians, no one would wish that upon anyone- but it is being perpetrated by their own present actions, or at least the actions of their leaders.
Never mind the past; we can't change that- but we can change the future.
So put the politics and the religion of the land as a whole aside for now and concentrate on one question:
What will help an ordinary Palestinian family live a better life? A life where they have access to health care, a good job, religious freedom, prosperity, education, peace, security?
To me, the best answer is this:
Allow that family to move to a country like Germany, France, Great Britain, Australia, Canada, or the U.S.A.
Give them free housing for a year, a living allowance, language lessons, and free schooling and health care. My bet is that the vast majority would jump at the chance. And I bet that would cost a lot less than all the armaments and security measures we're presently spending our money on.
And if you don't like that, then here's the second option that the Palestinians have:
Recognize Israel's right to exist, stop all attacks on the country, renounce violence, and embrace the rule of law. Kind of like what Jordan and Egypt have already done, and have prospered from as a result.
And here's another . .Thank you for proving my point
You are a descendent of Abraham if you adhere to the covenant that G-d made with him. Granted converts are not direct descendants but nonetheless all Jews are of him.
What makes a Jew a Jew is following the 613 commands, believing that the Torah is the word of G-d that He dictated to Moses on Mount Sinai, have a Jewish mother or had a conversion the was in accordance with Jewish law and to live according to Jewish law; this is it in its most basic sense but this does not mean that if you simply follow the commandments that this alone makes someone Jewish as it takes much more than that. And yes we Jews are the sole descendants of Abraham and the covenant that was made with him.
Never mind the past?
Here is the wall on the drive up to the Mount of Olives in Jerusalem- horrible and ugly. Imagine if one day you woke up to find you could no longer just walk over and enjoy a conversation with your neighbour.
So it is easy to accuse Israel of being the villian here.
But if we look at the history of the wall, we find that Israel never expressed any intention whatsoever of building such an ugly and expensive structure- until the suicide bombing started becoming an almost weekly affair.
Even as it was being planned, it was very controversial. But everytime that moderate voices seemed to prevail, another Palestinian would walk onto a bus somewhere and indiscriminately blow another group of men, woman, children up.
Ask anyone in Jerusalem today whether the wall did what it was supposed to do. Can you even remember when the last suicide bombing happened?
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