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Getting married "spiritually" in order to avoid the laws, policies, regulations, and expectations of your city, country, culture, relatives, etc... is not the way to go. It would not be a real marriage, because what you're trying to do is skate around the RIGHT way to do it, because you're young and impatient and think you know better than everyone else.

I'm glad to hear that you're just going to wait until you're both of legal age.

And STOP having sex before you wind up a teenage parent as well.
 
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Seems almost a form of spiritual malpractice to entertain as legitimate a 16-year old getting "spiritually" married. Is Isaiahkiki ready to protect and provide for his "spiritually-wed" wife? Does he have any concept of the level of sacrifice that Jesus calls for a husband to make? The keeping of a marriage covenant is hard enough for adults.

Much of this thread just seems so unhinged from real life.

So because I'm 16 you just assume I'm unfit to be a husband? See that's what's kind of messed about some people. I have my license I have my own car I have a job just like everyone who's the legal age has, and I have more then what a lot of people who are older then me have. The only thing I don't have is the age. So please for your own sake don't judge people based off their age. Please.
 
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So because I'm 16 you just assume I'm unfit to be a husband? See that's what's kind of messed about some people. I have my license I have my own car I have a job just like everyone who's the legal age has, and I have more then what a lot of people who are older then me have. The only thing I don't have is the age..

You weren't kidding about being 16, I see. Getting married (which is not legal for 16 year old males in most states) is not exactly parallel to driving a car.
 
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So because I'm 16 you just assume I'm unfit to be a husband? See that's what's kind of messed about some people. I have my license I have my own car I have a job just like everyone who's the legal age has, and I have more then what a lot of people who are older then me have. The only thing I don't have is the age. So please for your own sake don't judge people based off their age. Please.

When u get to 18, you will have the freedom to get married if you still want to. For now, enjoy your childhood in obedience to your parents, and growing in wisdom. God bless
 
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So because I'm 16 you just assume I'm unfit to be a husband? See that's what's kind of messed about some people. I have my license I have my own car I have a job just like everyone who's the legal age has, and I have more then what a lot of people who are older then me have. The only thing I don't have is the age. So please for your own sake don't judge people based off their age. Please.

They can't help it. I'm not excusing them for it, but they know no other way. And they will fight to make sure you don't get some break that they never got. John 16:2 comes to mind.

In God's Law, there is no "legal age" to do what God ordained for us to do, way back in the garden of Eden.

The problem is, people are not looking to God's Law for direction. They have abandoned that. They are looking to Caesar's legalities -- his worldly benefits package. For the most part, they remain blissfully unaware of the duties attached to that package, until they come due... So it's fear that keeps them in line.

I've let this thread run out a bit after my initial response to your OP, to see if there was any interest in sojourning in true liberty with the King, where his yoke is easy and his burden is light. It's a rare bird who really wants to know the truth and then is actually willing to DO what is required to walk in that truth.

I have facilitated marriages where there are no Caesarian legalities, where the King of kings gets all the glory. Folks mostly can't get past their fear conditioning to realize that there is indeed a better way.

From what little you've posted in this limited medium here, I believe you're well-intentioned and not a sluggard. So I will leave you with some food for thought. If you want to talk this up more, then either do so here, or you can pm me.

If you look to Caesar for legal permission to do what God has already said is Lawful, then you will indeed render to Caesar, as you have acknowledged him as your authority. IOW, Caesar takes what God says is Lawful, makes it illegal, unless, of course, you bribe him, then he will "permit" you. Definition of license is from licentious = morally unrestrained; lascivious.

Those reading this are unaware that Caesar says marriage is illegal! That's right; if you marry without Caesar's permission, you are breaking Caesar's rules. However, if you have not subjected yourself to Caesar's authority, i.e. his codes, rules, ordinances, then you are foreign to his jurisdcition, an ambassador with "diplomatic immunity."

I'll leave you with one real world illustration. As one who has claimed the benefits package of the forum State as its "citizen," if you seek Caesars permit/license to marry, then he assumes ownership over the product of your union i.e. your as-yet unborn offspring! That's why CPS (Child Protective Services) can legally (never Lawfully) enter your house and seize "your" children at gunpoint while you're on the floor screaming about your so-called Caesarian rights.

I have three unpapered offspring (no birth cert's, no passports, etc.). Thus CPS has no warrant (and cannot obtain one) as long as I remain foreign to Caesar's jurisdiction. So, much of my walk involves avoiding the enemy's incessant scams that would deceive me into stepping into Caesar's venue and thus his jurisdiction. It can be done!
 
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When u get to 18, you will have the freedom to get married if you still want to. For now, enjoy your childhood in obedience to your parents, and growing in wisdom. God bless

This.
 
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So because I'm 16 you just assume I'm unfit to be a husband? See that's what's kind of messed about some people. I have my license I have my own car I have a job just like everyone who's the legal age has, and I have more then what a lot of people who are older then me have. The only thing I don't have is the age. So please for your own sake don't judge people based off their age. Please.

Take a poll: ask any man who has stepped up to the God-given responsibilities of life - i.e. no Peter Pans - and ask them if getting married at the age of 16 is a fine idea. I raised three boys into men and I had enough respect for them, even when they were 16, to speak to them as men . I'll do the same for you, though it seems you are not used to it. Yes, you are unfit to be a husband, not because you are a bad kid, but because you are green. Did you buy your car?
Do you pay for auto and life insurance? (You'll need life insurance to protect your young wife in case you die.) Do you pay for your own cell phone? Ready to comfort a grieving wife through the death of a child or parent? Ready to say no to some hot chic that comes on to you when your on business out of town? (Remember if you can't keep your fly zipped before you're married, it most likely means it will be difficult after.) Ready to lead your wife in her spiritual development as a Godly woman? (At this point you have slept with God's daughter; not the best start to leading in Godliness.) Ready to be gentle even when your bride gets angry and says ugly stuff to you? Ready to humbly ask forgiveness when you get angry and say ugly stuff to your wife? Ready to hold a sick baby through the night to give your wife some peaceful sleep?

Of course, at 16 you most likely think you're a special case and old farts like me have got nothing to offer. Save this post and read it again in 10 years and then decide how mistaken you are.
 
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Hi,

I want to know how to get married in the eyes of god. If its possible I don't want a ceremony included. Please I need straight forward answers

God view of marriage is two individuals coming together under one union and the marriage is to reflect the love, harmony of the Godhead and as CHrist loves the Church. A ceremony is something that's left up to you and your soon to be Spouse including the vows you promise to e ach other. It can be done at a Justice of Peace Office, in a Church, on a Beach, or other location conducted by a licensed Marriage Performer that the State recognizes as valid.
 
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Take a poll: ask any man who has stepped up to the God-given responsibilities of life - i.e. no Peter Pans - and ask them if getting married at the age of 16 is a fine idea. I raised three boys into men and I had enough respect for them, even when they were 16, to speak to them as men . I'll do the same for you, though it seems you are not used to it. Yes, you are unfit to be a husband, not because you are a bad kid, but because you are green. Did you buy your car?
Do you pay for auto and life insurance? (You'll need life insurance to protect your young wife in case you die.) Do you pay for your own cell phone? Ready to comfort a grieving wife through the death of a child or parent? Ready to say no to some hot chic that comes on to you when your on business out of town? (Remember if you can't keep your fly zipped before you're married, it most likely means it will be difficult after.) Ready to lead your wife in her spiritual development as a Godly woman? (At this point you have slept with God's daughter; not the best start to leading in Godliness.) Ready to be gentle even when your bride gets angry and says ugly stuff to you? Ready to humbly ask forgiveness when you get angry and say ugly stuff to your wife? Ready to hold a sick baby through the night to give your wife some peaceful sleep?

Of course, at 16 you most likely think you're a special case and old farts like me have got nothing to offer. Save this post and read it again in 10 years and then decide how mistaken you are.

Best post of the thread.
 
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They can't help it. I'm not excusing them for it, but they know no other way. And they will fight to make sure you don't get some break that they never got. John 16:2 comes to mind.

In God's Law, there is no "legal age" to do what God ordained for us to do, way back in the garden of Eden.

The problem is, people are not looking to God's Law for direction. They have abandoned that. They are looking to Caesar's legalities -- his worldly benefits package. For the most part, they remain blissfully unaware of the duties attached to that package, until they come due... So it's fear that keeps them in line.

I've let this thread run out a bit after my initial response to your OP, to see if there was any interest in sojourning in true liberty with the King, where his yoke is easy and his burden is light. It's a rare bird who really wants to know the truth and then is actually willing to DO what is required to walk in that truth.

I have facilitated marriages where there are no Caesarian legalities, where the King of kings gets all the glory. Folks mostly can't get past their fear conditioning to realize that there is indeed a better way.

From what little you've posted in this limited medium here, I believe you're well-intentioned and not a sluggard. So I will leave you with some food for thought. If you want to talk this up more, then either do so here, or you can pm me.

If you look to Caesar for legal permission to do what God has already said is Lawful, then you will indeed render to Caesar, as you have acknowledged him as your authority. IOW, Caesar takes what God says is Lawful, makes it illegal, unless, of course, you bribe him, then he will "permit" you. Definition of license is from licentious = morally unrestrained; lascivious.

Those reading this are unaware that Caesar says marriage is illegal! That's right; if you marry without Caesar's permission, you are breaking Caesar's rules. However, if you have not subjected yourself to Caesar's authority, i.e. his codes, rules, ordinances, then you are foreign to his jurisdcition, an ambassador with "diplomatic immunity."

I'll leave you with one real world illustration. As one who has claimed the benefits package of the forum State as its "citizen," if you seek Caesars permit/license to marry, then he assumes ownership over the product of your union i.e. your as-yet unborn offspring! That's why CPS (Child Protective Services) can legally (never Lawfully) enter your house and seize "your" children at gunpoint while you're on the floor screaming about your so-called Caesarian rights.

I have three unpapered offspring (no birth cert's, no passports, etc.). Thus CPS has no warrant (and cannot obtain one) as long as I remain foreign to Caesar's jurisdiction. So, much of my walk involves avoiding the enemy's incessant scams that would deceive me into stepping into Caesar's venue and thus his jurisdiction. It can be done!

Ponder this:

The very authority you seem to be so much trying to escape, Christ placed himself under to the point of dying.
So Pilate said to him, “You will not speak to me? Do you not know that I have authority to release you and authority to crucify you?” Jesus answered him, “You would have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above. Therefore he who delivered me over to you has the greater sin.”
(John 19:10-11)​
God is sovereign over Caesar and gives authority to Caesar, and as subjects of God, we are to subject ourselves to the authority he placed in our rulers.(Qualifier: we submit up the point of Caesar requiring us to violate God's clear commands.) Except for when Caesar requires we not obey God, rebellion against Caesar is rebellion against God.
Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed. (Romans 13:1-7 ESV)​
 
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The very authority you seem to be so much trying to escape, Christ placed himself under to the point of dying

That's incorrect. You've not taken the WHOLE of the passage, but rather only what you thought would support your opinion.

Let's look again:


So Pilate said to him, “You will not speak to me? Do you not know that I have authority to release you and authority to crucify you?” Jesus answered him, “You have no authority over me at all unless it had been given you from above. Therefore he who delivered me over to you has the greater sin.”

And who was that? i.e. who delivered Jesus over?

God is sovereign over Caesar and gives authority to Caesar...

That's incorrect. Many stumble with the reality that there is a counterfeit “authority” seeking our obeisance. Satan said, “I will be like the most High” (Isaiah 14:14).

It is Satan’s “higher power” which is behind the merchants, the rich men of the earth, the present temporal “governing authorities.”

In reply to the blind opinion that all kings, princes, and governments are set up and "ordained" by God, we will quote the following passage, which is spoken into the ears of Hosea by God Almighty himself. We pray that those who have eyes to see and ears to hear will no longer engage in such opinions:

They have set up kings, but not by me: they have made princes, and I knew it not. (Hos 8:4)

Also,

Why do the heathen rage, and the people imagine a vain thing? The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying, Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us." (Psa 2:1-3)



There's no Godly ordination there.

Pertinent questions are: for what purpose does God allow ungodly governments to exist; and what should the born again's response be to that usurper?

When scripture speaks of obeying and submitting ourselves to those who have the rule over us, God’s word is not talking about heathen governments, but those "rulers" within Jesus Christ's assembly. Notice carefully this verse says these rulers "watch for your souls." Governments of men cannot govern or watch for anyone's souls, for they can only govern outward acts, not the inward being. But true spiritual leaders do watch for our souls

Those who "have the rule over you" at Hebrews 13:17 is specifically defined a few verses earlier in Hebrews 13:7, "Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation."

As we can see, scripture itself defines these "rulers" as those who speak the word of God and have faith. Secular governments avoid, and often forbid, speaking the word of God within their system through outlawing prayer in their schools and replacing it with such unrighteousness as "the theory of evolution," and by taking down the "Ten Commandments" from their courtrooms. These are not the rulers we are to submit to.

Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God. Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment. For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval, for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer. Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience. For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing. Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed. (Romans 13:1-7 ESV)


In Romans 13, does verse 1 say, "let every soul be subject unto all governments"? Or does it say, "let every soul (including governing authorities such as kings, judges, police, etc.) be subject unto the Higher Power"? Who do souls belong to? God says:

Ezekiel 18:4, "Behold, all souls are mine."

And the second part of verse 1 tells us Who the Higher Power is: "...For there is no power but of God."

The souls of the governmental powers belong to God, and they are not the higher powers, the higher powers are held by Christ himself (Matthew 28:18). Is our Lord not the higher power, then, if all power has been committed unto him (John 17:2)? Christ is the governor among the nations (Psalms 22:28). All power over earthly kings has been given unto Him (Romans 14:9). All judgment has been given unto Him (John 5:22,27). Notice the separation of Power in Romans 13:1. All power comes from, and belongs to, God (Psalm 62:11) and not the one exercising it. And remember that most men, especially those constituting the "governing authorities," usually deny that power given to Jesus (2 Timothy 3:5).

If your reaction to being told that there are faults in Caesar's statutes is to rush to defend them, it is because you cannot envision life without them. This is normal for someone who can only see one kingdom: the kingdom of this world. Yet this world is passing away, as are our own bodies. There is only one thing in life more certain than Caesar's taxes. So we are really here as a test of whether we can “see” and then choose those things that have eternal value. Are our energies devoted to laying up earthly treasures, or treasures in heaven? Are we slaves devoted to building the kingdom of this world, or are we seeking first the kingdom of God? We cannot even know where to begin unless we can see God's kingdom, which is the true meaning of being born again.

God in his sovereignty has provided the perfect means of testing whether we can make the distinction between the two kingdoms. Caesar has usurped God's authority, but his kingdom is built entirely with our consent and by using legal fictions. His authority over us is imaginary. We do not have to render ourselves to him unless we believe that we belong to him. Most people believe with all their heart that they do, for they cannot see the alternative. But if you know that you belong to God, along with your labor, your family, and everything else you have, then you will already have a deep-seated unease with the multitude of demands Caesar makes on you.

If this is the case, then make a list of those things that rightly belong to God but you have in ignorance given to Caesar. Then develop a plan of action for returning them to their rightful owner. This is not easy, but it is necessary. You will need to learn much more about God's Law so that you can discern what true obedience requires of you. If you trust the State to provide for your needs rather than trusting God, it should be clear which master you are serving. As no man can serve two masters, you have a choice to make. Scripture is clear that obedience to God comes at a price, and we must first count the cost. But once you can see the eternal kingdom, you will realize that any price is worth it.

The kingdom of heaven is like unto treasure hid in a field; the which when a man hath found, he hideth, and for joy thereof goeth and selleth all that he hath, and buyeth that field. (Mat 13:44)
 
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1) I want to know how I can get married through the eyes of god without going through legal process just me and my girlfriend if possible.
I think you need to be sharing with a variety of Jesus people as your spiritual family . . . with ones who help you and her get real with God and learn how to love any and all people >

"if you love those who love you, what reward have you?" (in Matthew 5:46)

And, I will offer . . . really Christian people do well with keeping laws about legally certifying their marriages. But we understand well that law does not make us married. But being publicly recorded is our testimony. And we are sharing with the public that we are married. But you are not required to have a public "show" of "taking vows", but you can simply be pronounced by a pastor whom you both trust and admire and who is helping you obviously to get more real with God and love any and all people, in good relating and forgiving . . . so you are stronger in love for sharing with each other.

We need our other Jesus family people. So, isolating yourselves is not good, and can help keep you weak so you sin and fight and lose control to anger and other wrong things. Love makes us strong, and this is with our brothers and sisters, not only with certain favorites who do and give us what we want :)

2) I know this isn't in the right place but since you're here you might know. I committed fornication and I'm pretty sure that that is a mortal sin, but am I doomed for hell?
I think if you're concerned about that, then you are not into love like you need to be. You need to stop what is wrong and get "busier" with what is right. So . . . now . . . while you can be busy with if you might go to hell, you are not ready to be deciding that you "should" get married unofficially or not. Get more real with God so you are doing things right and sharing with different good example Christian people, then see how you two see things in prayer and peace.

"Let all that you do be done with love." (1 Corinthians 16:14)

"And let the peace of God rule in your hearts, to which also you were called in one body; and be thankful." (Colossians 3:15)
 
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I want to give advice but hes only posted in this topic since he joined and some of the posts smell like trolling. Hmm. With that said I was taught you have to follow the laws of man unless they interfere with Gods laws. So in other words if your laws say you have to get married a certain way for it to be official... then you have to do it that way. So spiritually marrying wouldn't be lawful and thus God wouldn't see you as married.
 
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... I was taught you have to follow the laws of man unless they interfere with Gods laws.
There is no such requirement or teaching found in the word of God. In fact, Scripture is replete with warnings to trust no man. Indeed, we should not trust any man including ourselves. The Holy Bible says,

"Trust ye not in a friend, put ye not confidence in a guide: keep the doors of thy mouth from her that lieth in thy bosom" (Micah 7:5).

It also says "Take ye heed every one of his neighbour, and trust ye not in any brother: for every brother will utterly supplant, and every neighbour will walk with slanders" (Jeremiah 9:4),

"He that trusteth in his own heart is a fool: but whoso walketh wisely, he shall be delivered" (Proverbs 28:26),

"But we had the sentence of death in ourselves, that we should not trust in ourselves, but in God which raiseth the dead" (2 Corinthians 1:9),

"Do ye look on things after the outward appearance? if any man trust to himself that he is Christ's, let him of himself think this again, that, as he is Christ's, even so are we Christ's" (2 Corinthians 10:7),

"Thus saith the LORD; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his arm, and whose heart departeth from the LORD" (Jeremiah 17:5), and finally,

"Behold, ye trust in lying words, that cannot profit." (Jeremiah 7:8)

So in other words if your laws say you have to get married a certain way for it to be official... then you have to do it that way.
That’s true ONLY if you have submitted to that ungodly authority, rather than to Christ (which tragically is precisely the case today, where most folks are very busy ignorantly rendering unto Caesar what is rightfully due Christ). This is why you have Caesar's jack booted government thugs banging down your castle door, to “disappear” you off to “indefinite detention” (if not shoot you instead).

When scripture speaks of obeying and submitting ourselves to those who have the rule over us, God’s word is not talking about heathen governments, but those "rulers" within Jesus Christ's assembly. Notice carefully this verse says these rulers "watch for your souls." Governments of men cannot govern or watch for anyone's souls, for they can only govern outward acts, not the inward being. But true spiritual leaders do watch for our souls

Those who "have the rule over you" at Hebrews 13:17 is specifically defined a few verses earlier in Hebrews 13:7, "Remember them which have the rule over you, who have spoken unto you the word of God: whose faith follow, considering the end of their conversation."

As we can see, scripture itself defines these "rulers" as those who speak the word of God and have faith. Secular governments avoid, and often forbid, speaking the word of God within their system through outlawing prayer in their schools and replacing it with such unrighteousness as "the theory of evolution," and by taking down the "Ten Commandments" from their courtrooms. These are not the rulers we are to submit to.

...really Christian people do well with keeping laws about legally certifying their marriages. But we understand well that law does not make us married.
What a blatant contradiction! Double-mindedness. Serving two masters. So why in the world would any born again believer have ANYTHING to do with such heathen nonsense?

But being publicly recorded is our testimony. And we are sharing with the public that we are married.
The Holy Bible tells us to let all things be established in the mouth of two or three witnesses. THIS is why we have a “wedding” with a “reception” with lots of people. Not because it’s a “free food and booze” day, but because each attendee is a WITNESS to the promises made by the bride and bridegroom. Every attendee comes to the wedding aware of his own responsibility to the community to HELP this newly married couple in future times if and when they hit rough bumps (and we all hit rough bumps sooner or later). It’s a community network of support for the body of Christ.

But you are not required to have a public "show" of "taking vows", but you can simply be pronounced by a pastor whom you both trust and admire and who is helping you obviously to get more real with God
You don’t need any “pastor.” The pastoral calling is merely that -- a calling, one of many. It’s not a title. I have a prophetic calling, but my brothers and sisters do not call me by the label of “Prophet John.”

Again, all that is required are witnesses (plural i.e. more than one, as per scripture). I have “facilitated” the exchanging of vows between two consenting people, in the presence of many witnesses. I am no one but a dumb sheep, not to be held “privileged” in the eyes of men.
 
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