I would say that fellow believers need to have heat in the winter when they gather. Would you think it just to ask people to gather together in a building with no heat in the winter and no AC in the summer?
It's interesting you didn't answer my question.
Look, I never said a group has no right to possess a communal facility with heating and air conditioning. Nobody suggested that at all. If you read what I actually said, I emphatically addressed PRIORITIES in our giving. You will search in vain one statement where I said that groups have no right to support their institutional churchianity facility and hireling staffing. So, the result of all this is that your question is a question from silence. It has no meat since I never said that your question implies.
While they are there, should they be forced to hold their excrement in till they get home because plumbing broke and the upkeep of the building is last priority?
This really is going too far. You need to get a grip on yourself, focus your reading comprehension skills upon what I actually said, and stop with the indirect, false accusation.
I say taking care of the building is taking care of the believers. Those currently there, and the new believers that may come in from the street.
Now THAT is the typical sentiment of the vast majority of the churchianity-goers I have encountered over the years. That's similar to the claim that "chuch tradition" is on the same level as the authority of scripture. It's warped and tragic, to say the least. It ignores biblical priorities in giving.
For clarification, I'm not saying that all churchianity-goers feel the same way as RaymondG. I don't paint all within a grouping with the broad brush strokes of generalization.
Hospitals and clubs, and bars provide their patrons AC heat and bathrooms with the money they collect....Why should the church provide less for the people that come into them?
Well, now, bars and clubs are your comparative justification for the business model of typical churchianity. Dude, you have mastered the art of exemplifying as being "good" so much of what's so wrong with religious institutionalism...with it being more of a business model than a biblical one.
I said nothing of tithes or the use thereof. Maybe you meant this for the OPer?
I was talking about giving, not tithing. Tithing for today is not a valid teaching as it relates to modern believers. Not one living soul walking this planet has yet been able to show even one reference where the OT tithe ever had anything to do with the wages of wage earners, and yet it's taught in so many quadrants that the tithe was always leveled against earned wages exchanged for labor and all goods.
When I ask them where it's stated that carpenters (knock on wood) were ever required to hand over every tenth chair, table, or even head-knocking clubs, to the Levites, or every tenth fish, or every tenth yard of spun material, or the wool from every tenth sheep, etc.
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