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How to Convince Others

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Carl Rogers is unashamedly one of my heroes, both as a therapist and as a philosopher. He came up with this wacky idea amidst psychoanalytic and other (at the time) didactic and directive psychotherapy theories that if you actually listen to people and provide them with authenticity, warmth, and empathy, that these conditions will create a safe environment in which a person naturally unfolds himself and organically solves his own problems with his own resources.

You can see the man at work here, for example:

YouTube - ‪CARL ROGERS AND GLORIA COUNSELLING - PT 3‬‏

One thing that may stand out is that the client ends up directing her own train of thought, even though she initially projects onto Rogers what she thinks will be his responses (e.g., "I think you're going to ask why..."). Rogers clarifies, reflects, and ultimately enters into the world of the client, all wrapped in warmth and authenticity. What immediately stands out is how dialectically opposed he is in style to typically "tell you like it is" therapists. The theory of psychological reactance posits that people value their own freedom in such a way where they react in opposition to anyone who is perceived to threaten it. We all know this in day-to-day life. The spouse who tells the other what to do usually ends up getting rebelled against (whether subtly or sharply) for making it so clear that you (that is, your freedom) are the problem. Rogers works from the opposite end by reflecting, but not judging, the individual's inner world.

And that's what I think is the most important skill in attempting to convince others, aside from our ability to reason itself. People don't respond to arguments firmly directed against their beliefs. They respond to individuals who through accepting them and admitting the rationality of their viewpoints (for every viewpoint, insofar as it isn't illogical in the purest sense, has a type of rationality to it) present theirs as possible alternatives rather than didactic necessities. The ideal here involves a skillful use of questions, comparable to the Socratic spirit.

A friend of mine is pursuing his Master's in philosophy, and he told me the fascinating story of how he was on a jog and ran into an acquittance of his on the way and ended up stopping for half an hour to talk with him. Being the philosopher he was, the discussion drifted, quickly, to metaphysics. He said what was strange about the talk was that he presented no arguments of his own, but (nonchalantly, curiously, supportively) asked a string of questions that ultimately led the person to completely reconsider his views on the subject they were speaking about. My friend said it was clear that this person clearly hadn't considered them so analytically before, and all it took was a series of questions grafted in the fabric of good intentions.

Well, that's it, really. Kierkegaard has said that what the world needs isn't another Jesus but rather another Socrates. The thinking here is that we need someone who can skillfully use questions to help people reconsider their own philosophies. I think we need this Socratic skillfulness entwined with the warm, empathic spirit of Rogers. We need to enter the world of those we consider to be irrational in order to lead them to rationality, fully as accepting human beings rather than argument-spouters with no other goal than to give the other the truth we think will save them. That's the fuel that changes minds, whereas we've formerly focused so much on our clever argumentative roadmaps.

Because, you know, people aren't right unless they agree with us on everything.
 
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There's definitely a lot to be said for simply giving somebody an opportunity to say things out loud that they rarely do, and to say it in a context like this where they're likely going to be imagining "What would it sound like to an outsider," and noticing aspects of their own thoughts that they might not otherwise.

That said, while I think it can be a great way to be a friend, I think it often needs to be balanced by other tactics, for a therapist. Granted, some people do go to therapy for what is, essentially, an unconditional, paid friendship--somebody they can unload with and hash out difficult parts of their life with. In that case, this is a great tool.

But other people go because they seriously do not know how to handle an aspect of their life--a disorder, or a situation that is simply beyond them. If somebody is going to a therapist because they need to be introduced to information or coping strategies that they don't have, then this sort of approach will probably just feel like the therapist is having them talk in circles without making any progress.

Of course, coming from the friend angle, again, a suggestion of "hey, why don'tcha try this?" or "Maybe you're wrong--maybe it's not like that at all--maybe it's really like this instead," will sound much, much more friendly and less confrontational if it's given against a backdrop of mostly Carl Rogers-style.
 
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Kierkegaard has said that what the world needs isn't another Jesus but rather another Socrates.

I agree. :clap:

For I am Socrates Reborn, having returned to the Earth to give you my unquestionable Truths. Have no other Socrates before me! And bring me your wine and your women!

(Clearly, I have some Examining to do. Hmmm.)


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The thinking here is that we need someone who can skillfully use questions to help people reconsider their own philosophies. I think we need this Socratic skillfulness entwined with the warm, empathic spirit of Rogers. We need to enter the world of those we consider to be irrational in order to lead them to rationality, fully as accepting human beings rather than argument-spouters with no other goal than to give the other the truth we think will save them.


Too bad Carl Rogers didn't live to use his techniques with a 9/11 truther, or a birther. Wouldn't it be interesting to apply person-centered therapy to the "conspiracy meme?"
 
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Too bad Carl Rogers didn't live to use his techniques with a 9/11 truther, or a birther. Wouldn't it be interesting to apply person-centered therapy to the "conspiracy meme?"

Truth on that. It's interesting how many birthers are very angry people. Deflating the emotion through reflection would lead to some interesting twists.
 
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I read "A therapists View of Pyschotherapy" a long long time ago. He said that "congruence" (harmony between what you feel and think, and how you express yourself) was important in a therapeutic relationship. I imagined that that quality might help make the world a better place. Now, being older and wiser, I'm with Wilde. "A little sincerity is a dangerous thing, and a great deal of it is absolutely fatal."
 
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I'm not an idiot, I'm smart, you're the idiot. [/political]

In seriousness, I haven't watched the video yet, but I will.

I do agree that if the person is open to those measures, allowing them to 'find' the question is probably most effective. No matter who you are, if someone comes at you too aggressively, there's a natural tendency to 'dig in your heels' because of the initial tone of the objection.

I'm as guilty of violating that principle as anyone, I suppose...but also have made intentional attempts not to do so, and overall, it is the more effective method.

The biggest problem is that it's very rare for anyone to change their opinion in a single conversation, or even in a relatively short time period. You may never see the fruits of your labor.

I can say, that as a counter-example...I have actually changed my opinions, eventually...because someone's arguments were forceful and direct, and didn't give me ground that my arguments did not deserve. And while I might be vehemently opposed at the time, when the argument is strong enough...that forcefulness also made me think harder about it on my own, away from the initial conversation.

This can even take years...so it's hard to gauge. It takes all sorts, but I think the point you're supporting is a good one, and the best overall.


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