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Apes and humans are all in family Hominidae.
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.That's an assumption because DNA proves otherwise
. Scientists have long since verified all of this and creationists have no evidence that its incorrectHumans have never evolved away from being apes , have never evolved away from being primates, have never evolved away from being mammals, have never evolved away from being vertebrates, have never evolved away from being chordates, have never evolved away from being deuterostomes, have never evolved away from being bilaterians and have never evolved away from being multicellular eucaryotes
My main point is that there is no way I'm going to study and understand evolution. There's just way too much 'information' and much of it held together by conjecture. I don't have the resources needed for the intense life-long study that would be required of anyone wanting to understand evolution, especially if the conclusion is doubtful from the start.
Lol, what? That wouldn't even make sense, because a molecule is the smallest fundamental unit of a chemical compound that can take part in a chemical reaction. Flipping water is a molecule and it makes up more than 50% of our tissues.Did you read my post #1001? It concerns the molecular structure of tissues. I posted it in response to a "cell biologist" who, citing his credentials, said that tissues aren't made of molecules. I understand almost nothing in that article, but I do understand that changes in the molecular structure is needed to affect certain specialized tissues.
Then don't get involved in debates about it. I'm not big on physics, so I don't debate what I don't know. I'm not going to debate about which car brand is the best when I don't even know the names of the majority of car companies. To even try would be the antithesis of constructive and would make me look like an idiot.My main point is that there is no way I'm going to study and understand evolution.
DNA showed that your family is related.
It also shows that humans are humans and not chimps.
You can go back very far in your lineage and see who your human ancestors are. But no matter how far back you go you will always be able to tell the difference between a chimp and a human using DNA. Pulling DNA from a chimp and from a human and testing them you will always be able to tell which is human and which is chimp. Thus proving that DNA is source material for seeing what something is. You will never see a test where we look at DNA and are confused as to whether it came from a chimp or a human or a cow.
So you ignored the first couple of citations.
Or didn't understand them.
I can explain them if you'd like.
That is true. It's also true when you start going back millions of years to our common ancestors with chimpanzees and other hominids.
Yes, and I don't know why you keep repeating this as if it were some profound observation. Humans and chimpanzees are separate species. Humans and Neanderthals are separate species as well and the DNA evidence shows that. I'm at a loss as to why you think this is important enough to keep repeating.
I'm completely befuddled by all this and why you think it's germane. Do you think geneticists and laymen are too stupid to know that different species will have recognizably different DNA? Do you think that geneticists and laymen are stupid enough to think that different species should have the same DNA? I honestly cannot see the point you think you're making here.
What I can see is that these axiomatically correct assertions:
1. Have nothing do with the the fact that humans and chimpanzees share a huge amount of DNA.
2a. Does not demonstrate in any way that humans and chimpanzees are not related via common ancestry.
2b. Does not demonstrate that beings who share huge amounts of DNA are not related via common ancestry.
3. Does not explain things our 203,000 shared endogenous retroviral insertions or the broken GULO gene we share will all other Haplorhine primates.
And so the retrovirus insertions and the broken GULO gene were put in place by design?And points 1-3 do not demonstrate we are related. All it demonstrates is that we have a commonality of design.
And points 1-3 do not demonstrate we are related. All it demonstrates is that we have a commonality of design.
And points 1-3 do not demonstrate we are related. All it demonstrates is that we have a commonality of design.
Lol, what? That wouldn't even make sense, because a molecule is the smallest fundamental unit of a chemical compound that can take part in a chemical reaction. Flipping water is a molecule and it makes up more than 50% of our tissues.
Then don't get involved in debates about it. I'm not big on physics, so I don't debate what I don't know.
The only times I end up debating subjects I don't know much about is if I overestimate my knowledge on those topics. Then I am made for a fool and inevitably have to recognize my ignorance.
If you do not have the time to study and understand evolution, then you do not have the grounds to declare that is held together by conjecture. I have had the time to study and understand evolution. Conjecture is not the glue that holds it together.
I would have thought that even someone whose IQ is only 135 would understand the simple logic of the above.
- If you do not have the time to study and understand evolution then you cannot appreciate that initial doubts about evolution were removed by evidence from anatomy, ecology, embryology, palaeontology, zoology, botany, genetics, biochemistry, epidemiology, molecular biology, ethology, biogeography, etc.
You are fully entitled to your beliefs. You are fully entitled to reject facts that conflict with your worldview. You are not entitled to pretend that such rejection is in anyway supported by logic or science or intellectual honesty.
Nonsense. You yourself have declared you lack the time or the interest to conduct the study that would let you understand evolution. This disqualifies you absolutely from making ignorant assertions such as those above. All you are doing is embarassing yourself and raising serious questions about your belief structure.I have read many papers on evolution (mainly through discussion on the CF). The theory is basically held together by conjecture. I could post scientific articles that prove this but I have found that no one bothers to read them.
Most of these are held together by conjecture.
I accept facts. I don't accept science's conclusion regarding those facts. Many an innocent person has been convicted by the "facts".
Nonsense. You yourself have declared you lack the time or the interest to conduct the study that would let you understand evolution. This disqualifies you absolutely from making ignorant assertions such as those above. All you are doing is embarassing yourself and raising serious questions about your belief structure.
I repeat, you are entitled to your beliefs, but spouting foolish, uninformed, uneducated nonsense is not acceptable. Have the good grace to desist.
I suppose everyone on the forum is entitled to post nonsense, but when they do, they may expect to be called out on it, even when it is in their own thread.Sorry, it's my thread, but you may be excused.
I suppose everyone on the forum is entitled to post nonsense, but when they do, they may expect to be called out on it, even when it is in their own thread.
I do recognise the source of your mix of passive-aggressive behaviour with occassional implicit insults, so I should feel a measure of pity. Since I don't (and feel I probably should) I'll reflect silently on your pain for a while. I'll pray (yes, some agnostics do pray) that time will diminish your fear and give you the courage to face your doubts. In the meantime, look to your youth. Your answer is there.
Your conclusions demonstrate that your study is insufficient. Tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands have studied the subject more than you and would disagreee. A significant number of them are Christians.I have studied the subject of evolution sufficiently to conclude that it is impossible.
Because like the cartoon character said "I can't come right now, I've found something wrong on the internet that has to be corrected."Why would you impugn a conclusion that has been so arrived at?
Yes. I've often read such statements from you. That is the evidence your study is insufficient.I have often state in regard to evolutionary change that you can't get here from there.
And yet the evidence of thousands more dedicated and intelligent than either of us, many of them Christians, demonstrates otherwise.But it gets worse for evolution regarding tracing our development from here back to our simple beginnings, that being that you can get there from here either.
I am well aware of that. It is precisely why you need to look to your youth to understand how you reached your false conclusion. The answer is there. You just need to dig deep, in places you prefer not to go.Regarding my youth, that is long gone.
.you are entitled to your beliefs, but spouting foolish, uninformed, uneducated nonsense is not acceptable. Have the good grace to desist.
Your conclusions demonstrate that your study is insufficient. Tens of thousands, hundreds of thousands have studied the subject more than you and would disagreee. A significant number of them are Christians.
Yes. I've often read such statements from you. That is the evidence your study is insufficient.
And yet the evidence of thousands more dedicated and intelligent than either of us, many of them Christians, demonstrates otherwise.
I am well aware of that. It is precisely why you need to look to your youth to understand how you reached your false conclusion. The answer is there. You just need to dig deep, in places you prefer not to go.
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