How to Authentically Speak in Tongues

[Berserk]

Sorry, if they understood the tongues in a human language, The Holy Spirit then operated the gift of interpretation, period. The two gifts always work in conjunction for understanding.

Wrong! Only the Korean understood the tongues in his own language and no gift of interpretation was activated. Of course, the same is true of the tongues in Acts 2. There too no gift of interpretation is cited. Only the native speakers of the languages were able to pick out their own languages (Greek: "dialektoi"--Acts 2:6). In fact, the group speaking in tongues in the 2 other cases in Acts (10:44-47; 19:1-6) is never interpreted or understood. To deny this in support of your interpretive agenda is to read something into the text that is not there. I challenge you to find even one academic book commentary on Acts that supports your biased perspective!

The Greek "glossai" normally means "HUMAN languages," and so, prayer tongues must at least include human languages. Indeed, there is no reason to deny that private prayer tongues (2 Cor. 14:4, 28) can be spoken in a human language as in the case of the United Methodist minister I cited.
Paul allows an exception--"tongues of angels" (1 Cor. 13:1; 14:12) and this view is retained in the early 2nd century in an understanding of prophetic speech as angel speech (Hermas Mandates 11:9).

 

[ARBITER01]

You don't know the gifts.

The gift of interpretation is required for understanding the gift of tongues,.... it's the whole purpose of the gift.

That why The Holy Spirit through Paul said this,...

1Co 14:12 So also ye, since ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may abound unto the edifying of the church.
1Co 14:13 Wherefore let him that speaketh in a tongue pray that he may interpret.
1Co 14:14 For if I pray in a tongue, my spirit prayeth, but my understanding is unfruitful.
1Co 14:15 What is it then? I will pray with the spirit, and I will pray with the understanding also: I will sing with the spirit, and I will sing with the understanding also.
1Co 14:16 Else if thou bless with the spirit, how shall he that filleth the place of the unlearned say the Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he knoweth not what thou sayest?

To understand the gift of tongue, or singing in tongues, one must also have the gift of interpretation operating, or as scripture says right there,..."my understanding is unfruitful."

It's quite easy to understand this, I'm not sure why you can't grasp it.

 

[Berserk]

Arbiter01: "That why The Holy Spirit through Paul said this,...
1Co 14:12 So also ye, since ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may abound unto the edifying of the church"

You don't know Greek and therefore don't recognize the KJV's mistranslation. Paul literally says, "Since you are ZEALOTS OF SPIRITS ("pneumata"--angels)..."
and therefore picks up "tongues of angels" in 13:1. That was a key point in my last post about the type of tongues that does not express human languages.

Arbiter01: "To understand the gift of tongue, or singing in tongues, one must also have the gift of interpretation operating, or as scripture says right there,..."my understanding is unfruitful."

As usual, your misunderstanding arises from taking verses out of context. In the verse you cite, Paul is talking about public speaking in tongues in meetings where unbelievers are present. The verse has nothing to do with private prayer tongues! And as I pointed out to you, Paul never claims that private prayer tongues need to be understood to be of value.

Arbiter01: "It's quite easy to understand this, I'm not sure why you can't grasp it."
I now realize that the reason you always duck my reasoned posts is because you can't follow their argument. Your use of the KJV should have tipped me off. So I will no longer respond to your unsubstantiated pontifications.

 

[ozso]

Apparently outside of the Bible, the first recorded instance of a Christian speaking in tongues is: Agnes Ozman considered as the first to speak in tongues during a revival in 1901. In other words this apparently never took place for the first 1500 years of church history, and then after the Protestant reformation, took place 400 years after that at the beginning of the 20th century.

 

[ARBITER01]

Arbiter01: "That why The Holy Spirit through Paul said this,...
1Co 14:12 So also ye, since ye are zealous of spiritual gifts, seek that ye may abound unto the edifying of the church"

You don't know Greek and therefore don't recognize the KJV's mistranslation. Paul literally says, "Since you are ZEALOTS OF SPIRITS ("pneumata"--angels)..."
and therefore picks up "tongues of angels" in 13:1. That was a key point in my last post about the type of tongues that does not express human languages.

Arbiter01: "To understand the gift of tongue, or singing in tongues, one must also have the gift of interpretation operating, or as scripture says right there,..."my understanding is unfruitful."

As usual, your misunderstanding arises from taking verses out of context. In the verse you cite, Paul is talking about public speaking in tongues in meetings where unbelievers are present. The verse has nothing to do with private prayer tongues! And as I pointed out to you, Paul never claims that private prayer tongues need to be understood to be of value.

Arbiter01: "It's quite easy to understand this, I'm not sure why you can't grasp it."
I now realize that the reason you always duck my reasoned posts is because you can't follow their argument. Your use of the KJV should have tipped me off. So I will no longer respond to your unsubstantiated pontifications.

You assume wrongly there weedhopper, I don't use the kjv, I use the Revised Version from 1881. The only time I use the received text is when the earlier text appears to have been pruned in an area, or they did a better job of translating it in an area.

And as I already said, you don't know the gifts.

Anytime someone attempts to say that the gift of tongues can interpret itself without use of the gift of interpretation, that just shows their lack of knowledge and experience from The Holy Spirit on this.

And by the way, I never said it had anything to do with private prayer.

Keep on guessing there professor, you're doing just fine.

 

[Joy]

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