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How this will end

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And it will not be pretty. Hospitals overrun, people staying isolated. But there might be a very expensive silver lining...

How the Pandemic Will End

Veterans of past epidemics have long warned that American society is trapped in a cycle of panic and neglect. After every crisis—anthrax, SARS, flu, Ebola—attention is paid and investments are made. But after short periods of peacetime, memories fade and budgets dwindle. This trend transcends red and blue administrations. When a new normal sets in, the abnormal once again becomes unimaginable. But there is reason to think that COVID-19 might be a disaster that leads to more radical and lasting change.

The other major epidemics of recent decades either barely affected the U.S. (SARS, MERS, Ebola), were milder than expected (H1N1 flu in 2009), or were mostly limited to specific groups of people (Zika, HIV). The COVID-19 pandemic, by contrast, is affecting everyone directly, changing the nature of their everyday life. That distinguishes it not only from other diseases, but also from the other systemic challenges of our time. When an administration prevaricates on climate change, the effects won’t be felt for years, and even then will be hard to parse. It’s different when a president says that everyone can get a test, and one day later, everyone cannot. Pandemics are democratizing experiences. People whose privilege and power would normally shield them from a crisis are facing quarantines, testing positive, and losing loved ones. Senators are falling sick. The consequences of defunding public-health agencies, losing expertise, and stretching hospitals are no longer manifesting as angry opinion pieces, but as faltering lungs.

After 9/11, the world focused on counterterrorism. After COVID-19, attention may shift to public health. Expect to see a spike in funding for virology and vaccinology, a surge in students applying to public-health programs, and more domestic production of medical supplies. Expect pandemics to top the agenda at the United Nations General Assembly. Anthony Fauci is now a household name. “Regular people who think easily about what a policewoman or firefighter does finally get what an epidemiologist does,” says Monica Schoch-Spana, a medical anthropologist at the Johns Hopkins Center for Health Security.

Such changes, in themselves, might protect the world from the next inevitable disease. “The countries that had lived through SARS had a public consciousness about this that allowed them to leap into action,” said Ron Klain, the former Ebola czar. “The most commonly uttered sentence in America at the moment is, ‘I’ve never seen something like this before.’ That wasn’t a sentence anyone in Hong Kong uttered.” For the U.S., and for the world, it’s abundantly, viscerally clear what a pandemic can do.

The lessons that America draws from this experience are hard to predict, especially at a time when online algorithms and partisan broadcasters only serve news that aligns with their audience’s preconceptions. Such dynamics will be pivotal in the coming months, says Ilan Goldenberg, a foreign-policy expert at the Center for a New American Security. “The transitions after World War II or 9/11 were not about a bunch of new ideas,” he says. “The ideas are out there, but the debates will be more acute over the next few months because of the fluidity of the moment and willingness of the American public to accept big, massive changes.”
 

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And it will not be pretty. Hospitals overrun, people staying isolated. But there might be a very expensive silver lining...

How the Pandemic Will End
Too soon to begin to think about.
We are at the beginning of the beginning.
Maybe when we get to the end of the beginning we will have a better handle to look towards the “end”.
 
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If people would just stay home for another month or so, then things might not be too bad in the end. However, we cannot know for certain.
Well apart being in a greater depression than the great depression.
 
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And it will not be pretty. Hospitals overrun, people staying isolated. But there might be a very expensive silver lining...

How the Pandemic Will End
Not sure I like your article. I don't care how much one wants to talk about some federal office that closed in 2018 the fact is EVERY Governor of EVERY state themselves could have made it a priority to prepare in case of such an event. It'd be nice to see at least a balance of pointing the finger at all different levels and types of government at things they should have done in the past as well. The fact is EVERYONE made mistakes and have been presumptuous on this issue for years.
 
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Not sure I like your article. I don't care how much one wants to talk about some federal office that closed in 2018 the fact is EVERY Governor of EVERY state themselves could have made it a priority to prepare in case of such an event. It'd be nice to see at least a balance of pointing the finger at all different levels and types of government at things they should have done in the past as well. The fact is EVERYONE made mistakes and have been presumptuous on this issue for years.

Did we read the same article?

As a viral epidemiologist, I say hurray. To the actual article...not whatever you were reading.
 
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And it will not be pretty. Hospitals overrun, people staying isolated. But there might be a very expensive silver lining...

How the Pandemic Will End

Actually, many are forecasting the end of this virus.
Many will soon be going back to work.

In San Diego County our confirmed cases each day has been dropping for a few day -- if today also comes in lower?

Social distancing seems to be working rather well.

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Social distancing seems to be working rather well.

M-Bob

Agree, it has no other choice but too work. That and don't let anymore into the country will surely see an end to it....then just maintain.

The solution is simple, carrying it out, not so simple in some cases, but doable. We stop the virus by doing what it takes to stop it, and I don't think that's over simplifying it.
 
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From the article:

"When an administration prevaricates on climate change, the effects won’t be felt for years, and even then will be hard to parse. It’s different when a president says that everyone can get a test, and one day later, everyone cannot. Pandemics are democratizing experiences."

This is perhaps one of the rare instances where alternate facts and fake new will be put to the test without spin.
 
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Actually, many are forecasting the end of this virus.
Many will soon be going back to work.

In San Diego County our confirmed cases each day has been dropping for a few day

No, it hasn't.

(At time of writing, 3/22 was the high, 3/23 was lower, and then 3/24, started the climb again)
 
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Not sure I like your article. I don't care how much one wants to talk about some federal office that closed in 2018 the fact is EVERY Governor of EVERY state themselves could have made it a priority to prepare in case of such an event. It'd be nice to see at least a balance of pointing the finger at all different levels and types of government at things they should have done in the past as well. The fact is EVERYONE made mistakes and have been presumptuous on this issue for years.
Where did you even get that from the article?
 
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Actually, many are forecasting the end of this virus.
Many will soon be going back to work.

In San Diego County our confirmed cases each day has been dropping for a few day -- if today also comes in lower?

Social distancing seems to be working rather well.

M-Bob
No, that is what Trump wishes. That is not happening yet, and even if it does, we would still need to social distance for weeks past the last new case.
 
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Not sure I like your article. I don't care how much one wants to talk about some federal office that closed in 2018 the fact is EVERY Governor of EVERY state themselves could have made it a priority to prepare in case of such an event.

Why? Seriously, Why? Viruses don't pay attentions to borders. They don't care that they just crossed from New York to New Jersey. Why would you take something that is clearly going to be a national concern and break it down into 50 uncoordinated wasteful, inefficient replications?

Seriously, how is that a solution?
 
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"Partly, that’s because the White House is a ghost town of scientific expertise. A pandemic-preparedness office that was part of the National Security Council was dissolved in 2018."

So you are saying every state needed to take this on themselves? Make there own Health Departments into mini CDCs and have there own FEMA? Not every state has the budget, manpower, or expertise.

And even if that happened, not every state will be at the same level of preparedness. The Federal government had the tools, talent, and leadership and Trump threw that all away. And he hasn't learned from this either. He doesn't have enough experts, and the ones he has, he doesn't want to listen too.

The current hero, Dr. Fauci, can't correct Trump fast enough. And you know he will be thrown out as soon as he steps on Trumps ego to many times.

There where plans in place. Those plans should have been followed. It was a no brainier. Instead, we trusted the Chinese to handle it instead of preparing ourselves.

We don't have the stockpiles from the cold war anymore, since those where not refilled. We didn't even use the time we had to figure out a good screening procedure. Heck, the people handling the cruse ships passengers that came back didn't even have the correct protective gear.

We are all huddling in our houses hoping this will pass us by because of several failers to address this. And yes, it starts from when the pandemic-preparedness office was close.

Sorry you are tired of hearing that, but that is the truth.
 
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Not sure I like your article. I don't care how much one wants to talk about some federal office that closed in 2018 the fact is EVERY Governor of EVERY state themselves could have made it a priority to prepare in case of such an event. It'd be nice to see at least a balance of pointing the finger at all different levels and types of government at things they should have done in the past as well. The fact is EVERYONE made mistakes and have been presumptuous on this issue for years.

No 'EVERYONE' didn't make mistakes. The US used to be much more prepared and then stopped being because of decisions made by Trump and his administration.

As for the states doing it instead, are you suggesting they should ignore Trump's sage advice?
"Some of the people we cut, they haven’t been used for many, many years," Trump said during a Feb. 26 briefing on the coronavirus response.

"I’m a business person — I don’t like having thousands of people around when you don’t need them," he said. "When we need them, we can get them back very quickly."

See, you don't need to be prepared, you can just wave some cash at the experts and they'll drop everything to come and immediately solve your problems.
 
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