How the Democratic Party opposes Christian Principles

clirus · Sep 6, 2007

dlamberth quote

So all of the work for racial justice in America, which was born out of the Christian Church, was that evil? Or the work Christians did to end slavery, was that evil? Or the work Christians did for women's suffrage? Was that evil? Or the child labor laws? Was that evil as well?

Response

My concern about Social Justice issues is the same as my concern about welfare and health care.

You can change the external situation, but what use is it if the internal situation remains evil.

You can sober up an alcoholic, but if they do not reject alcohol, they will be back for another treatment shortly.

I do not advocate eliminating welfare, health care and social justice, but I do believe that prevention is better than cure. The Christianity offers prevention by advocating good and rejecting evil. When one accepts Jesus Christ, God provides the Holy Spirit to help the person resist evil or doing evil.

thaumaturgy · Sep 6, 2007

clirus said:
Atheists are pessimists and Christians are optimists.

-Sigh-

So sad. You should clarify that you think atheists are pessimists and Christians are optimists.

Indeed with optimists who promise hell-fire and eternal damnation for those who don't believe every jot and tittle of one particular version of someone else's god, I should think we don't need pessimists.

Sorry, but when you link the unfortunate events in someone else's life with their having done something to deserve those unfortunate events you are spouting such darkness as would extinguish the light in any soul.

Good job. I'm sure that's what God wants you to do as part of your commission.

Atheists advocate that sin exists so there is no alternative but to participate even if the result is disease, death and destruction.

-Sigh-
Sadly you are yet again wrong about what atheists do and do not advocate. Atheists simply advocate that God isn't going to be dipping his hands down to help us, that's up to US and us alone.

I think you need only look at natural disasters to see who is doing the work of reconstruction. God isn't anywhere around, but there are usually lots of people doing the heavy lifting.

That's what a humanist advocates: care for your fellow humans not because you think it will get them to believe in your version of God, but because we are all in the same boat.

Don't withold help because you fear the person will turn to the government instead of your version of God...that's not only anti-christian, it is outright evil.

I believe God allowed his son Jesus Christ to die on the cross in order that change from a Atheistic Lifestyle to a Christian Lifestyle is possible.

Yes, and before Jesus died on the cross the earth was teetering on becoming a wholly atheistic society.

Atheists always imply that Christians are forcing Atheists but I believe the exact opposite is true.

Well, then, please meet some of the U.S. State Constitutions!

Mississippi State Constitution. Article 14 ("General Provisions"), Section 265
No person who denies the existence of a Supreme Being shall hold any office in this state.

Pennsylvania's State Constitution, Article 1 Section 4
"No person who acknowledges the being of a God and a future state of rewards and punishments shall, on account of his religious sentiments, be disqualified to hold any office or place of trust or profit under this Commonwealth."

North Carolina's State Constitution, Article 6 Section 8
"Disqualifications of office. The following persons shall be disqualified for office: First, any person who shall deny the being of Almighty God."

Texas' State Constitution, Article 1 Section 4
"No religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office, or public trust, in this State; nor shall any one be excluded from holding office on account of his religious sentiments, provided he acknowledge the existence of a Supreme Being."

Maryland's Declaration of Rights, Article 36
"That as it is the duty of every man to worship God in such manner as he thinks most acceptable to Him, all persons are equally entitled to protection in their religious liberty; wherefore, no person ought by any law to be molested in his person or estate, on account of his religious persuasion, or profession, or for his religious practice, unless, under the color of religion, he shall disturb the good order, peace or safety of the State, or shall infringe the laws of morality, or injure others in their natural, civil or religious rights; nor ought any person to be compelled to frequent, or maintain, or contribute, unless on contract, to maintain, any place of worship, or any ministry; nor shall any person, otherwise competent, be deemed incompetent as a witness, or juror, on account of his religious belief; provided, he believes in the existence of God, and that under His dispensation such person will be held morally accountable for his acts, and be rewarded or punished therefore either in this world or in the world to come."

Christians plead, beg, ask, etc. , but the government forces.

Ironically the Government of the above-listed states forces on behalf of the meek and pleading Christians! It's a win-win for you!

The government is the god of the Atheists that the Atheists hope will tell the Christians to shut up.

Perhaps you are not familiar with the United States of America. We are a semi-theocracy whose leaders must show fealty to Religion or will not be elected. Where every third mountain top in Southern California (only a slight exaggeration) has a big cross mounted on it with lights so people can see. Whose money is stamped with "In God We Trust" and when, God forbid, some new quarters were struck mistakenly missing the holy phrase all hell breaks loose in certain circles!

1) If it is good - accept it and nourish it.

You mean good like universal healthcare and welfare programs? yeah, I agree.

3) If it threatens your existence - destroy it before it destroys you.

We've all seen how well theocracies work out. I suggest we as a country actually get back to our Pluralistic Roots and drop this drive toward Christian Theocracy.

If the laws that Congress defines are consistent with the Atheistic Lifestyle, everyone will suffer.

I'm an atheist. I don't recall ever learning about the "Atheistic Lifestyle". Maybe if you would define the terms we could talk, but until then I'll just assume you lump everything you dislike into this garbage can term so you can build a more flammable strawman.

When Civil Law is consistent with God's Law, the people will be prosperous. When Civil Law is inconsistent with God's Law the people will suffer.

Who's God?

I believe that if people are presented an honest unbiased presentation of the Atheistic Lifestyle and the Christian Lifestyle, they would choose the Christian Lifestyle and the Atheistic Lifestyle would fade back into the closet.

Only if YOU get to define the terms, which you seem to be doing quite handily.

Please, tell us atheists what our Lifestyle is. I would love to know!

How 'bout if I just unilaterally define the "christian lifestyle" as I want to!

The problem is that the news and entertainment industry of America is controlled by Atheists

Didn't you forget a group here?

What is occurring is the Cultural War between Christians and Atheists. The Atheistic Liberal News and Entertainment Industry is doing everything they can to win the Cultural War for the Atheists.

Maybe my efforts will be useless,

From your mouth to God's ear!

but I feel compelled to present a different perspective on the issues facing America so that at least a few can make a decision based on both sides of the story.

Maybe you have a skewed perspective. I recommend you simply walk outside. The U.S. is the most religious nation in the Developed Western World. If this is a war the atheists are losing quite handily. If you were unaware a recen poll found atheists to be the most distrusted minority in the U.S. (Source).

So you can stop having your pity-party for the oh-so-poor Christians in this country. You are preaching to the choir.

mpok1519 · Sep 6, 2007

democrats and republicans should all work together for a universal goal we can all agree on.

IT'd be pretty crappy if we had only one party to vote for.

Nathan Poe · Sep 6, 2007

clirus said:
When one accepts Jesus Christ, God provides the Holy Spirit to assist the person to resist the temptation. The fellowship of other Christians provides a new way of living. I believe change can be made in peoples lives. I believe God allowed his son Jesus Christ to die on the cross in order that change from a Atheistic Lifestyle to a Christian Lifestyle is possible.

So that's why Christians are all perfectly sinless and resist all temptations -- no, wait a minute...

Atheists always imply that Christians are forcing Atheists but I believe the exact opposite is true. Christians plead, beg, ask, etc. , but the government forces. The government is the god of the Atheists that the Atheists hope will tell the Christians to shut up. When a church asks for money you have a choice as to your contribution, but when the government asks for taxes, you do not have a choice.

And as an Atheist, what should my taxes be used for, clirus?

I believe the Bible teaches all things should be dealt with by the following three levels of action;
1) If it is good - accept it and nourish it.
2) If it is evil - reject it but tolerate it.
3) If it threatens your existence - destroy it before it destroys you. This is self defense, which both the individual and society have a right and responsibility to do.

Unfortunately, too many Christians (including yourself) conflate numbers 2 and 3 -- seeking to destroy evils that are no threat to you.

Christians should warn people (be salt and light),

And so they have. Some people listen, and some choose to ignore.

Civil Law should control, restrict, destroy, force, etc. people.

"Civil Law should. . . destroy. . . people. "

Look at what you've just said, clirus, and understand why nobody takes you seriously.

How about serve and protect? Any reason you left those out?

Christians should advocate that which is good and healthy for society as described in the Bible.

And so they have. Some people listen, and some choose to ignore.

Civil Law should control, restrict, destroy, force, etc. that which is harmful (disease, death and destruction) to society.

In light of your last statement, people are evidently harmful to society.

A very misanthropic view of the world, don't you think? I thought Christians were the optimists?

Congress (as the representatives of the people) defines Civil Law. If the laws that Congress defines are consistent with the Christian Lifestyle (God's Law), the people who practice evil will suffer. If the laws that Congress defines are consistent with the Atheistic Lifestyle, everyone will suffer.

Repeating this canned statement is not the same as explaining it. The Atheisitic Lifestly is of no threat to you. How are you suffering?

Civil Law consistent with the Atheistic Lifestyle cause suffering for everyone because the Christens suffer under the law, and the Atheists suffer because of the sin they practice. Romans 6:23 states, "For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."

How are you suffering, clirus?

A government cannot create an ethical society by imposing ethics, however an ethical society can
be created when God imposes ethics on people and the people vote for ethical government leaders. A government can create an unethical/Atheistic society by opposing Christian ethics.

Well, God has not imposed ethics on this society -- what makes you think you can?

When Civil Law is consistent with God's Law, the people will be prosperous. When Civil Law is inconsistent with God's Law the people will suffer.

Prove it.

I believe that if people are presented an honest unbiased presentation of the Atheistic Lifestyle and the Christian Lifestyle, they would choose the Christian Lifestyle and the Atheistic Lifestyle would fade back into the closet.

Assume you're correct -- is that all you care about -- pushing the evils back into "the closet" where they can still flourish?

Do you think an "ethical society" is one where all its evils are swept under the rug?

The problem is that the news and entertainment industry of America is controlled by Atheists, thus there is no unbiased presentation. What is occurring is the Cultural War between Christians and Atheists. The Atheistic Liberal News and Entertainment Industry is doing everything they can to win the Cultural War for the Atheists.

Got news for you, clirus -- there is no cultural war. You have freedom -- so do we. Everybody wins.

Maybe my efforts will be useless, but I feel compelled to present a different perspective on the issues facing America so that at least a few can make a decision based on both sides of the story.

And some will listen, and others will choose to ignore you.

This is as good as it gets, clirus -- what will you do now?

thaumaturgy · Sep 6, 2007

Nathan Poe said:
And some will listen, and others will choose to ignore you.

This is as good as it gets, clirus -- what will you do now?

Oh I have a suggestion! When all else fails The Christian Optimist can always hope for eternal torment for bad people!

Tertullian said:
"Yes, and there are other sights: that last day of judgment, with its everlasting issues; that day unlooked for by the nations, the theme of their derision, when the world hoary with age, and all its many products, shall be consumed in one great flame!

"...I shall have a better opportunity then of hearing the tragedians, louder-voiced in their own calamity; of viewing the play-actors, much more "dissolute" in the dissolving flame; of looking upon the charioteer, all glowing in his chariot of fire; of beholding the wrestlers, not in their gymnasia, but tossing in the fiery billows; unless even then I shall not care to attend to such ministers of sin, in my eager wish rather to fix a gaze insatiable on those whose fury vented itself against the Lord."

-Tertullian De Spectaculis Chpt XXX

(Not that clirus wants this, but so many Christians do seem to resort to this sooner or later)

PassionFruit · Sep 6, 2007

clirus said:
dlamberth quote

So all of the work for racial justice in America, which was born out of the Christian Church, was that evil? Or the work Christians did to end slavery, was that evil? Or the work Christians did for women's suffrage? Was that evil? Or the child labor laws? Was that evil as well?

Response

My concern about Social Justice issues is the same as my concern about welfare and health care.

You can change the external situation, but what use is it if the internal situation remains evil.

You can sober up an alcoholic, but if they do not reject alcohol, they will be back for another treatment shortly.

I do not advocate eliminating welfare, health care and social justice, but I do believe that prevention is better than cure. The Christianity offers prevention by advocating good and rejecting evil. When one accepts Jesus Christ, God provides the Holy Spirit to help the person resist evil or doing evil.

Forcing Christianity onto people is not a solution. It doesn't get to the heart what drives people into alcohol in the first place. Christianty it seems, "don't drink alcohol, it's bad for you. Reject it, cause it's evil." What's been solved here? How does Christianity offer prevention by rejecting what you think is "evil?" Define that please.

The internal solution is figuring why people become alcoholics in the first place.

Nathan Poe · Sep 6, 2007

PassionFruit said:
Forcing Christianity onto people is not a solution. It doesn't get to the heart what drives people into alcohol in the first place. Christianty it seems, "don't drink alcohol, it's bad for you. Reject it, cause it's evil." What's been solved here? How does Christianity offer prevention by rejecting what you think is "evil?" Define that please.

The internal solution is figuring why people become alcoholics in the first place.

And how naive is it to think that alcoholics -- or the average citizen, for that matter -- will pay attention to the Christian who tells them, "don't drink alcohol, it's bad for you. Reject it, 'cause it's evil."

The last time people listened to that, we had prohibition. Worked like a charm, didn't it?

Nathan Poe · Sep 6, 2007

Clirus, clearly you want the government to promote the "Christian Lifestyle" (your term, your definition) and condemn the "Atheistic Lifestyle" (again, your term, your definition).

But how? You've already admitted that the government itself cannot do this:

clirus said:
A government cannot create an ethical society by imposing ethics,

So how is it to be done? How is the "Christian Lifestyle" to be promoted? Why, through the media, of course!

Just one problem with that, right, clirus?

clirus said:
The Atheistic Liberal News and Entertainment Industry

DRINK!

Ah, but for every problem, there is a solution, right, clirus?

clirus said:
In order to wage war effectively the Constitution calls for news media censorship as was done in WW II.

clirus said:
There is a Cultural War in America between Christians and Atheists.

clirus said:
Freedom of speech is treason, when it gives aid and comfort to the enemy.

Not hard to put 2+2+2 together, is it?

With the Athesistic Liberal News and Entertainment Industry(DRINK!) under tight contol, justified by Bush's war, it would be all the easier to promote the "Christian Lifestyle" through the now Christian Conservative News and Entertainment Industy (DON'T DRINK!) to the masses, wouldn't it?

But there's just one problem -- that would take time, and time is a finite resource. You can only justify censorship in time of war, and even this war can't last forever. The Atheistic Liberal News and Entertainment Industry (DRINK!) has had decades to influence people towards the "Athesitic Lifestyle" -- it's going to take at least that long to deprogram the masses.

What will happen if the War in Iraq ends before your work is done?

PassionFruit · Sep 6, 2007

clirus really hasn't really defined what the "Atheistic Lifestyle"is. The very term itself is laughable.

KomissarSteve · Sep 6, 2007

PassionFruit said:
clirus really hasn't really defined what the "Atheistic Lifestyle"is. The very term itself is laughable.

I'm pretty sure it's everything that can't be explicitly linked to the Christian Right ideology - which of course, is a worldview which lends itself only too well to the siege mentality that Christian conservatives take so readily.

Ganymede · Sep 6, 2007

clirus said:
How the Democratic Party opposes Christian Principles

The key elements of the Atheistic Lifestyle are extreme environmentalism, socialism, feminism, pornography, abortion and homosexuality. By supporting/advocating these issues the Democratic Party is opposing Christian Principles.

Extreme environmentalism is opposed to Christian Principles when nature is worshiped instead of God. God states man is to have dominion over the world.

Socialism requires the person worship the government instead of God.

Feminism deceives a woman and destroys the Christian Family concept that is a cornerstone of the Christian Lifestyle.

Pornography deceives the man and destroys the Christian Family concept that is cornerstone of the Christian Lifestyle.

Abortion denies the value of life taught by the Bible and denies that God has ownership over all people.

Homosexuality denies the word of God and represents total defiance of God.

Democrats attempt to pass hate crime legislation that would prevent Christians from preaching/teaching God's word.

Democrats attempt to pass homosexual marriage/civil union legislation when they get control of the government. A recent example of this was the state of Oregon that went from Republican Control to Democratic Control in 2006. Just as soon as the Democrats were in control, they passed civil union legislation.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_partnership_in_Oregon

Domestic partnership in Oregon
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In April and May 2007, following a previous attempt in 2005, the Oregon state legislature passed legislation to make virtually all of the rights afforded to married couples available to same-sex couples. The new status will be referred to in Oregon law as a domestic partnership, avoiding the use of the terms marriage or civil union. Governor Ted Kulongoski signed the bill on May 9, 2007, and it is scheduled to take effect on January 1, 2008.

However, after the November 2006 mid-term elections Democrats won a majority of the formerly Republican-controlled house[4], and in early 2007, Democrats was re-introduced a bill in the House similar to the 2005 legislation. The bill adopted the term "domestic partnership" to describe these unions; the terms "marriage" or "civil union" were absent. This bill enjoyed a relatively easy passage through the legislature, when compared to its 2005 predecessor. Passed by the House on April 17, 2007 (by a vote of 34-26) and by the Senate on May 2, 2007 (by a vote of 21-9), Governor Kulongiski signed the Oregon Family Fairness Act on May 9, 2007. The law is not scheduled to take effect until January 1, 2008.

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Democrats are very good at selling the Atheistic Lifestyle. Pornography is freedom of speech, abortion is a woman's right to choose and homosexuality is a civil right. One of the most hypocritical statement is: "I would not do that, but I would not object to others doing it". That is like saying: I would not seduce your children, but I would not mind someone else seducing your children. If it is wrong, it is wrong for all people. Christians should not vote for people that condone or advocate evil.

Even Christians are deceived by the propaganda of the Democrats. Universal Health Care sounds good till you realize that the main purpose of Universal Health Care is to force the responsible to pay for the mistakes of the irresponsible. The mistakes of the irresponsible are the evil that the Bible says to avoid.

Why do you try so hard to make atheism somthing which it is clearly not?

Atheism has nothing to do with environmentalism, socialism, femminism, pornography, or any thing else. It is purely a position on the existanse of a deity - nothing more

clirus · Sep 7, 2007

Nathan Poe quote

Clirus, clearly you want the government to promote the "Christian Lifestyle" (your term, your definition) and condemn the "Atheistic Lifestyle" (again, your term, your definition).

But how? You've already admitted that the government itself cannot do this:

So how is it to be done? How is the "Christian Lifestyle" to be promoted? Why, through the media, of course!

Just one problem with that, right, clirus?

Response

My original quote was,

A government cannot create an ethical society by imposing ethics, however an ethical society can be created when God imposes ethics on people and the people vote for ethical government leaders. A government can create an unethical/Atheistic society by opposing Christian ethics.

The existing situation is that the government is creating an unethical/Atheistic society by opposing Christian ethics. The government does this through welfare, health care, teaching evolution, judicial ruling by Atheistic judges, etc. The government will continue to promote the Atheistic Lifestyle so long as democrats control the government.

I do not want the government to promote the Christian Lifestyle, I want the Christian Church to be free to promote the Christian Lifestyle without interference with the government. That will occur when Republicans control the government.

Some say the news and entertainment industry should not be regulated, but I would remind everyone that it was the news and entertainment industry that got rich off of tobacco advertisements. The entertainment industry advocated smoking by being used in the advertisements. Now we have the Atheistic Liberal News and Entertainment Industry advocating extreme environmentalism, socialism, feminism, pornography, abortion, homosexuality and the Atheistic Lifestyle.

I do not want the government to promote the Christian Lifestyle, but the government has a responsibility to protect good and reject evil. The government now has a program of, "Is there anything dumber than smoking" to reject evil. As an act of rejecting evil (not promoting the Christian Lifestyle), the government could have a program of, "Is there anything dumber than extreme environmentalism, socialism, feminism, pornography, abortion, homosexuality and the Atheistic Lifestyle".

Some say the government has a responsibility to protect both good and evil, but that is just silly.

Nathan Poe · Sep 7, 2007

clirus said:
I do not want the government to promote the Christian Lifestyle, I want the Christian Church to be free to promote the Christian Lifestyle without interference with the government. That will occur when Republicans control the government.

Except that the government is not interfering with the "Christian Lifestyle."

Kindly provide a single example of how the government interferes with your Christian lifestyle. How does the governemnt hinder your Christianity? How are you suffering under the Atheistic lifestyle?

Some say the news and entertainment industry should not be regulated, but I would remind everyone that it was the news and entertainment industry that got rich off of tobacco advertisements. The entertainment industry advocated smoking by being used in the advertisements. Now we have the Atheistic Liberal News and Entertainment Industry advocating extreme environmentalism, socialism, feminism, pornography, abortion, homosexuality and the Atheistic Lifestyle.

So you want to control the media -- we've already established that.

I do not want the government to promote the Christian Lifestyle, but the government has a responsibility to protect good and reject evil. The government now has a program of, "Is there anything dumber than smoking" to reject evil. As an act of rejecting evil (not promoting the Christian Lifestyle), the government could have a program of, "Is there anything dumber than extreme environmentalism, socialism, feminism, pornography, abortion, homosexuality and the Atheistic Lifestyle".

But without the "Christian Lifestyle," nobody in the government -- neither democrat nor republican -- would actually believe any of that. You'd be asking them to promote a propaganda campaign that they do not believe in but for the "Christian Lifestyle" whch you claim you do not want them to promote.

Is that what you want for the "Christian Lifestyle"? Better propaganda?

Some say the government has a responsibility to protect both good and evil, but that is just silly.

The government has a responsibility to protect people's right to choose what is best for them, so long as that choice does not harm the rest of society.

You are not harmed by the "Athesitic Lifestyle," but every Atheist would be harmed by enforcing the "Christian Lifestyle."

Why do you want to harm others, clirus?

Rudolph Hucker · Sep 7, 2007

What is an atheistic lifestyle?

thaumaturgy · Sep 7, 2007

clirus said:
The existing situation is that the government is creating an unethical/Atheistic society by opposing Christian ethics. The government does this through welfare, health care,

[bible]Exodus 23:11[/bible]
[bible]Leviticus 19:10[/bible]
[bible]Deuteronomy 15:7[/bible]

teaching evolution,

Absolutely NOTHING to do with religion.

judicial ruling by Atheistic judges,

You mean like ANTONIN SCALIA and CLARENCE THOMAS, JOHN ROBERTS, and ANTHONY KENNEDY? (All catholics)

Here's a quote from Scalia:
"And when somebody goes by that monument, I don't think they're studying each one of the commandments. It's a symbol of the fact that government comes — derives its authority from God. And that is, it seems to me, an appropriate symbol to be on State grounds." (During recent 10 Commandments Case Orden v. Perry)

I do not want the government to promote the Christian Lifestyle, I want the Christian Church to be free to promote the Christian Lifestyle without interference with the government. That will occur when Republicans control the government.

Distinction without a difference. And if you for one moment think the Republicans are superior moralists you need look no further than the recent spate of "family values" candidates who've been snagged in acts directly against their own "stances".

Larry Craig R-ID (who voted for the "Defense of Marriage Act")

David Vitter R-LA (who is also all for the sanctity of marriage and this sacred vow, while visiting a prostitute!)

So please, spare us all the holy-mandate of the Republican party. They are as dirty as any democrat you can dredge up, with the exception of the fact that they hide their dirt to get elected by suckers like you who think you are fighting some imaginary "culture war".

Now we have the Atheistic Liberal News and Entertainment Industry advocating extreme environmentalism,

-sigh-

You don't get it do you? Environmentalism is personal responsibility for our actions with regards to the earth.

feminism,

Try talking to women some time. I think you'll be surprised that not all of them like earning $0.75 to every $1.00 men earn. Most women consider themselves equals to men (or should).

So now is equality part of the "Atheistic Lifestyle"?

Nathan Poe · Sep 7, 2007

thaumaturgy said:
Try talking to women some time. I think you'll be surprised that not all of them like earning $0.75 to every $1.00 men earn. Most women consider themselves equals to men (or should).

I have to wonder if under clirus' "Christian Lifestyle," would women be earning any money at all? Would they be allowed careers outside of raising families?

So now is equality part of the "Atheistic Lifestyle"?

Has it ever been a part of the "Christian Lifestyle"?

Remember, clirus is only offering two choices -- and the more abominable he makes Christianity sound, the more people support the "Atheistic Lifestyle."

PassionFruit · Sep 7, 2007

clirus said:
Nathan Poe quote

Clirus, clearly you want the government to promote the "Christian Lifestyle" (your term, your definition) and condemn the "Atheistic Lifestyle" (again, your term, your definition).

But how? You've already admitted that the government itself cannot do this:

So how is it to be done? How is the "Christian Lifestyle" to be promoted? Why, through the media, of course!

Just one problem with that, right, clirus?

Response

My original quote was,

A government cannot create an ethical society by imposing ethics, however an ethical society can be created when God imposes ethics on people and the people vote for ethical government leaders. A government can create an unethical/Atheistic society by opposing Christian ethics.

The existing situation is that the government is creating an unethical/Atheistic society by opposing Christian ethics. The government does this through welfare, health care, teaching evolution, judicial ruling by Atheistic judges, etc. The government will continue to promote the Atheistic Lifestyle so long as democrats control the government.

I do not want the government to promote the Christian Lifestyle, I want the Christian Church to be free to promote the Christian Lifestyle without interference with the government. That will occur when Republicans control the government.

Some say the news and entertainment industry should not be regulated, but I would remind everyone that it was the news and entertainment industry that got rich off of tobacco advertisements. The entertainment industry advocated smoking by being used in the advertisements. Now we have the Atheistic Liberal News and Entertainment Industry advocating extreme environmentalism, socialism, feminism, pornography, abortion, homosexuality and the Atheistic Lifestyle.

I do not want the government to promote the Christian Lifestyle, but the government has a responsibility to protect good and reject evil. The government now has a program of, "Is there anything dumber than smoking" to reject evil. As an act of rejecting evil (not promoting the Christian Lifestyle), the government could have a program of, "Is there anything dumber than extreme environmentalism, socialism, feminism, pornography, abortion, homosexuality and the Atheistic Lifestyle".

Some say the government has a responsibility to protect both good and evil, but that is just silly.

What is your definition of what is "good" and "evil?"

First of all, there's no such thing as "Christian lifestyle" nor is there a such thing as the "Atheistic lifestyle." You'e just making stuff up, but I suppose that's one way to go if you want promote you're so-called "Christian lifestyle." By making stuff up.

And you really need to define what your idea of good and evil is. Seriously.

dlamberth · Sep 7, 2007

Nathan Poe said:
I have to wonder if under clirus' "Christian Lifestyle," would women be earning any money at all? Would they be allowed careers outside of raising families?

Women sufferage was a movement born out of the Christian Church. I wonder if clirus see's that movement as evil as well.

.

clirus · Sep 7, 2007

Nathan Poe quote

The government has a responsibility to protect people's right to choose what is best for them, so long as that choice does not harm the rest of society.

You are not harmed by the "Athesitic Lifestyle," but every Atheist would be harmed by enforcing the "Christian Lifestyle."

Response

I have defined the Atheistic Lifestyle as participating in or advocating extreme environmentalism, socialism, feminism, pornography, abortion and homosexuality.

I then showed how each or these harms all of society.

I have shown that the Christians Lifestyle would not be forced on anyone, but rather would be advocated as a better alternative.

How would Atheists be harmed by the "Christian Lifestyle"?

KomissarSteve · Sep 7, 2007

clirus said:
I have defined the Atheistic Lifestyle as participating in or advocating extreme environmentalism, socialism, feminism, pornography, abortion and homosexuality.

Yet nobody here agrees with this definition. You have not demonstrated a correlation between atheism and any of these things.

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