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How the anti-abortion movement started

Discussion in 'American Politics' started by zephcom, May 26, 2019.

  1. zephcom

    zephcom Well-Known Member

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    According to this article in Politico:

    The Real Origins of the Religious Right

    The anti-abortion movement was created as a political reason to get Christians to vote as a block for Republican candidates. Strangely enough (or not so strangely) it was not abortion that the creators of the movement were concerned about.

    The reason for creating the abortion issue was to get Christian to vote for Republicans was Republican support for racial segregation. And the segregation issue was not one the people who created the abortion issue thought Christians would support.

    It appears that conservative Christian leaders in the Seventies were not concerned about abortion because they all believed that human life started at birth.
     
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  2. mark kennedy

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    Originally the right to life movement consisted of Catholics opposed to contraception. Eventually Jerry Farwel would start the moral majority but they weren't all the right wing at the time. Pat Robertson came very close to getting the nomination away from George H. Bush but was derailed by a scandal involving televangelists. With that the delegates went to George H. Bush and the movement has been right wing ever since.
     
  3. hislegacy

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    My start as a pro life voter started when they found babies in a dumpster outside an abortion mill not two miles from my home.

    That was 1984

    Roe v Wade passed because we as Christians did not do enough. That has changed.
     
  4. Albion

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    I recommend that you start with some source more credible than Politico.
     
  5. zephcom

    zephcom Well-Known Member

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    Would 'World News Daily' or Fox be better?
     
  6. Albion

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    Pat Robertson definitely did not come "very close to getting the nomination" away from George H. Bush.
    Probably on approximately the same level. They do not pose as impartial sources, however.
     
  7. CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN

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    Fetus or Babies. Also where the link?
     
  8. hislegacy

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    You want a link from a dumpster in 1984? I don’t think Al Gore had invented the internet as of yet.

    What was shown was legs, arms, a half torso, most of the face and pieces of skull. Wrapped in crumpled up blue paper and thrown in with approximately 15 others. I saw them with my own eyes. It is the foundation of why I am so vocal about the murder of children.
     
  9. Carl Emerson

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  10. hislegacy

    hislegacy This is me.

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    Interesting that the opinion piece is from the Obama era.
     
  11. Carl Emerson

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    I was very active in the church in the 70's.

    I cant remember anyone believing life started at birth.

    We were all aware of Jeremiah 1:5

    "Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations."
     
  12. chevyontheriver

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    I was pro-life before Francis Schaeffer was, and the whole Religious Right thingie was a Protestant thingie anyhow.

    I was a Humphrey Democrat, which was rather a normal thing for a Catholic, and only left the Democratic Party when I realized I was actually being pushed out by the controllers of Democratic Party pro-abortion orthodoxy. One could not be a delegate in the party if one identified at all as pro-life.

    From my perspective the 'anti-abortion movement' would never have been more identified as Republican had Democratic Party cigar smokers not been so eager to chase away all the pro-life Democrats. Logically Democrats were for the little guy, so it would have made a lot of sense for the Democratic Party to be the pro-life party. But those in power in the Party didn't want that. So they drove us away.
     
  13. chevyontheriver

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    There were years where Protestants looked at the pro-life movement with suspicion as a Catholic-only thing. That was pretty much the whole decade of the 1970's, starting even before RoevWade. It really did take Francis Schaeffer to have his own personal waking up to change any of that. He woke up in Rochester MN at the Mayo Clinic being treated for cancer and had an epiphany about the difference between a Catholic hospital and a Methodist hospital.
     
  14. zephcom

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    Do you suppose the history of the 1970-80s has changed between 2014 and now?
     
  15. SeventyOne

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    Are people really daft enough to think that the desire not to murder children was a result of a semi-recent political movement?
     
  16. mark kennedy

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    The way I get it, Catholucs stood alone the whole time. Protestants finally caught on but Catholics have been imvolved since the issue was still contraception. I've always respected their consistency.
     
  17. Pommer

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    Destiny negates “free-will”, are we just automatons?
     
  18. zephcom

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    One does not have to be daft at all if that is the truth. All it takes is telling a big enough lie often enough and people start believing it is true. When Church leaders tell people that life begins at birth, people believe that. When church leaders change their minds when some political pundit starts telling people human life starts are conception, their congregations start changing their minds too.

    Look at all the things church leaders added to the Christian tradition over the past two thousand years. And every single time, the people were 'daft' enough to go along with it.

    So, yeah, -I- think they are daft enough to change when someone becomes human because of a political campaign. Christians desperately want to be part of the 'in group' and when that group changes something, Christians hop right on the wagon.

    After all, look how many Christians think Donald Trump is one of them.
     
  19. The Faceless

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    Anti-Abortion goes back to the Early Church Fathers themselves. I don't think of it as a political issue like most people do. I think about it religiously and I go by what my religion has always taught. It doesn't really matter what the Church of England started to believe in the 20th century.
     
  20. zephcom

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    To be sure, I'm good with people not having abortions themselves because of religious belief or even some other reason. And I've said before if our government started making abortion mandatory as in the way China did, I would stand with those who believe it is wrong for them to submit to abortions.

    I see what is happening today as a purely political issue because these people are trying to use the political system to make their religious beliefs into laws which affect everyone regardless of their religion or lack of religion.

    <shrug> Creating laws -is- political. Embedding religious beliefs into law is wrong.
     
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