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Well, they could pay right ? and be set free ? The eternal reward or eternal punishment is 100 % up to us period . God isn't a cruel sadist , Satan on the other hand is, and spends every day all day , trying to deceive you . Trying to make you feel very " smart" and prideful , until you are mocking God in a public forum .
I'm afraid simply making a statement without anything to back it up is not very convincing.In the Bible if Jesus uses a name then it is a real person.
Adam, Eve, Noah are all real people that are in the geneology of Jesus.
Isn't anyone that dies in their sin, willing to die for a lie? The serpent deceived Eve and that resulted in death. Then the question is, what is the second death? Who is able to excape the second death. Because we know that liars are not going to excape the second death.
Are we really having this conversation?
There are several kinds of laws, for instance in the United States, of which includes criminal law, again for instance. If I am caught breaking said law, law enforcement, through the legal system, will punish me for it.
There is, however, no cosmic law or cosmic law enforcement and therefore no cosmic consequences (e.g. "karma"). You do understand the difference between the two, right?
You say there is no cosmic law,but that is patent nonsense.
The whole universe works on a system of interactive laws which
when changed only slightly would send all of us ,the planets,and
the other universes into total destruct mode .
While not being a scientist in this field,anyone who reads knows this.:o
You say there is no cosmic law,but that is patent nonsense.
The whole universe works on a system of interactive laws which
when changed only slightly would send all of us ,the planets,and
the other universes into total destruct mode .
While not being a scientist in this field,anyone who reads knows this.:o
There are many scientific reasons to believe in God.
1. The universe is temporary. It had a beginning at the big bang and it will have an end when all the hydrogen in the universe is consumed by stars. The end is mandated by the second law of thermodynamics. If the universe had a beginning, it needs a creation mechanism. There are some naturalistic ideas about how this could have happened without God, but these are highly speculative ideas that lack any form of evidence at all.
2. The universe is extremely fine-tuned for life. This is evident in the fundamental constants of physics. Many of these parameters are so sensitive, that a minute change would render our universe lifeless. Not just life, but any complexity at all requires a narrow range of values for these constants. (search google for "rareuniverse" for more about this)
3. the bible and the geological record is in excellent agreement if one has an old earth view of the Genesis creation account. (search google for "rareuniverse timeline" for more info)
4. God uses the forces of nature to fulfill His purposes. The uncertainty principle puts a degree of apparent randomness into the world. Creating this mechanism, God put a fine adjustment knob into every elementary particle in the universe. By this he can control everything without violating a single law of nature.
What God wants from His created subjects is not just belief but love. He loves us and wants us to love Him in return. It's that simple. He gave His Son to die in the hands of men so that we would know his love for us, and know how to have a relationship with Him. Knowing Jesus is to know God, loving Jesus is to love God, they are One.
There are many scientific reasons to believe in God.
1. The universe is temporary. It had a beginning at the big bang and it will have an end when all the hydrogen in the universe is consumed by stars. The end is mandated by the second law of thermodynamics. If the universe had a beginning, it needs a creation mechanism. There are some naturalistic ideas about how this could have happened without God, but these are highly speculative ideas that lack any form of evidence at all.
2. The universe is extremely fine-tuned for life. This is evident in the fundamental constants of physics. Many of these parameters are so sensitive, that a minute change would render our universe lifeless. Not just life, but any complexity at all requires a narrow range of values for these constants. (search google for "rareuniverse" for more about this)
3. the bible and the geological record is in excellent agreement if one has an old earth view of the Genesis creation account. (search google for "rareuniverse timeline" for more info)
4. God uses the forces of nature to fulfill His purposes. The uncertainty principle puts a degree of apparent randomness into the world. Creating this mechanism, God put a fine adjustment knob into every elementary particle in the universe. By this he can control everything without violating a single law of nature.
What God wants from His created subjects is not just belief but love. He loves us and wants us to love Him in return. It's that simple. He gave His Son to die in the hands of men so that we would know his love for us, and know how to have a relationship with Him. Knowing Jesus is to know God, loving Jesus is to love God, they are One.
So, why is there a Hell in the first place?
I most certainly was.
Catherineanne: Your link doesn't cite sources, just makes claims.
I am not sure if this is an accurate statement. It is too easy to say that God pick and chooses who comes to Him and who doesn't. When the Bible says that God wants all to come to Him. So God does prompt the seeking but some are not getting the signal for some reason and God only knows why.
The sources are contained on the link, you noodle.
Well, a loving god would most certainly not send one of his own children to an eternity in hell for using the very brains he gave them, especially knowing how they operate.
See you there
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I wonder why it is that god seems to reveal himself to people when they are in a "bad spot" in their lives, so to speak. It seems to me that this happens far more often than not, and I wonder what the reason for this is. I also wonder had I ever been in a truly bad spot in my own life, if I would've had some kind of spiritual "experience." That's not to say that I haven't had what I consider to be hard times in my life, but I realize that I've had it better than a lot of other folks.
God creates an innocent creature who does not know good from evil and when that creature disobeys is punished, even though they could not have known that was wrong. In addition God left them with a loaded gun knowing what would happen. Are Your your saying that this is ok?
God does not send anyone to hell. Those who go there do so because they choose to. There is no eternal torment, except that of being without God.
Hell is choosing to live without God.
You won't see me there, because I choose to live in obedience to God.
I agree. Big Bang is a myth.
Did Paul say that? I like it. What chapter is it?
I think what Paul meant was that if the scientific evidence contradicts God's word we should always believe God's word because scientific evidence can be deceiving, especially when viewed through the eyes of fallible human scientists who are always changing their failed theories.
No one chooses to go to hell. God simply sends people to hell who are not Obedient. If God does not do everything in his power to help everyone to get into heaven then he is not all loving. If he exists he knows exactly what would convince me that it is so.God does not send anyone to hell. Those who go there do so because they choose to. There is no eternal torment, except that of being without God.
Hell is choosing to live without God. You won't see me there, because I choose to live in obedience to God.
No one chooses to go to hell. God simply sends people to hell who are not Obedient. If God does not do everything in his power to help everyone to get into heaven then he is not all loving. If he exists he knows exactly what would convince me that it is so.
The cards are in his hands.
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