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The spirit guides me in all truth, and Pauls words are truth. Not to mention, Paul says we should agree with wholesome words, and the Words of Christ
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It is simple. He was not in His ministry. He never heard the explanations of many parables.
Many people believe the Sermon on the Mount. believe that Jesus was a good moral teacher and they need to be nice people and do good to get to heaven. If that is ALL they believe, they won't.
Sorry, but orthodoxy IS the truth. This thread is in Controversial Theology for a reason; it's sentiments are controversial. Some people may agree with you, but most Christians - and clergy in the churches - won't.
The orthodox belief that the NT was inspired by the Holy Spirit, that the Bible is the written word of God, inspired and inerrant, is the truth.
No, i am not to dishonor anyone actually, that's what paul teaches us. That's the works of flesh verses fruit of the spirit i was talking about.
Besides, the spirit guides us in all truth, and uses all scripture as well, but that includes pauls words too.
No. Paul teaches us that the spirit intercedes for us.
The spirit guides me in all truth, and Pauls words are truth. Not to mention, Paul says we should agree with wholesome words, and the Words of Christ
What if his words don't agree with Christ's?
righttruth,
Why don't you be specific of what words of Paul's words don't agree with Christ's? You do this and I'll tell you why. Jerry kelso
OK. If people believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, yet don't believe His greatest Sermon on the Mount how can they expect to be saved? Mere belief is not an entrance to the heaven.
Which orthodoxy? Catholic, Protestant, Pentecostal, Baptist, Oriental, Coptic, Greek, Russian, etc.?
Those who boast and egoist are bound to quench the Holy Spirit. The words of Jesus have eternal life.
That's actually not a half statement. The Sermon on the Mount was not an institution of new commandments - it was getting people to realize the actual standard to which they were held under the law of Moses. They thought it was all about actually not going out and having sex with a woman other than your wife, or with somebody else's wife. Jesus said "nope - if you even think about it, you've already broken the law." They thought it was about killing someone. Jesus said "nope - if you're even angry with someone without cause, you've already broken the law.""All who depend with full trust or confidence on the law are under a curse." That is a part statement ignoring the most important aspect. It would mean all who depend on the Law with full trust but don't adhere to it are under curse. Please don't think God gave Law to curse people. It is curse for those who don't practice it. Yes, it is difficult somewhat to keep some of them. Jesus commandments were much higher spiritually and difficult to maintain: not even in thoughts!
No Paul sits on the fence and want to preach populist agenda when it comes to relationship between children and parents.
That is what I am saying. When Paul's words contradict the words of Christ, we need to ignore it. We cannot say that since dog's tail is bent the body should be made to bend too.
Right. That is when we are unable to put into words what we mean. But people have come up with wacky interpretations for that leading to wrong belief.
What if his words don't agree with Christ's?
That's actually not a half statement. The Sermon on the Mount was not an institution of new commandments - it was getting people to realize the actual standard to which they were held under the law of Moses. They thought it was all about actually not going out and having sex with a woman other than your wife, or with somebody else's wife. Jesus said "nope - if you even think about it, you've already broken the law." They thought it was about killing someone. Jesus said "nope - if you're even angry with someone without cause, you've already broken the law."
Which is why everyone who puts their full trust and confidence on the law is under a curse. Because nobody could keep the whole law.
That said, the law was not sent to curse people. Nor did I say it was. The curse (death) was already there before the law was given. The law was to show people the standards for right and wrong and to "tutor" them until the time of Christ. It was not to save them.
Nobody is saved by the works of the law. It is only by the blood of the Lamb that we are declared righteous.
Much of it can be read in my replies nos. 680, 726 and 741
I don't see how this relates to what I was discussing with "righttruth" concerning relying on the works of the law. I made no attempt to say that we are no longer supposed to try to obey God and Jesus, and neither does the apostle Paul. What I am doing is echoing Paul's thought that if our trust is in the works of the law we are under a curse, because we cannot keep the whole law.Nobody can keep the law perfectly, and by law im referring only to the law of Christ. However we still try to follow it. Sure my mind may wonder into sinful thoughts, but what do i do? Do i cast those thoughts out or do i just keep them instead, because im not under the law? Paul says to think about what is pure and lovely , true and noble. Paul is telling us to not think evil. However, no one is perfect and no one can have a mind totally free from evil. We walk by faith not sight, we try and we grow, but we are not perfect. Gods grace sustains us. THe commands in Mathew 5 guide me, and have guided me. I actually try to follow them, although i'm far from perfect, i must admit.
Im not looking to justify myself however, and i know only Gods mercy sustains this sinner. I follow those commands best i can because they are truth.
I don't see how this relates to what I was discussing with "righttruth" concerning relying on the works of the law. I made no attempt to say that we are no longer supposed to try to obey God and Jesus, and neither does the apostle Paul. What I am doing is echoing Paul's thought that if our trust is in the works of the law we are under a curse, because we cannot keep the whole law.
No, I'm saying that some believe the Sermon on the Mount but don't believe that Jesus is the Son of God, nor that he died for their sins to give them eternal life. If they don't believe the latter, they won't be saved. Reading, and accepting, Jesus' teachings, like the Sermon on the Mount isn't enough. Someone could hear about Jesus and the cross, believe, repent and be saved without having even heard of the sermon on the mount.
Orthodox Christian belief = mainstream churches; denominations which believe the Nicene Creed and accept the Bible as God's word. Not cults, for example, which claim to be Christian but reject Christian teaching.
I didn't say otherwise, and I hope you're not calling me egotistical.
Jesus himself is the Life, John 14:6.
No, I'm saying that some believe the Sermon on the Mount but don't believe that Jesus is the Son of God, nor that he died for their sins to give them eternal life. If they don't believe the latter, they won't be saved. Reading, and accepting, Jesus' teachings, like the Sermon on the Mount isn't enough. Someone could hear about Jesus and the cross, believe, repent and be saved without having even heard of the sermon on the mount.
Orthodox Christian belief = mainstream churches; denominations which believe the Nicene Creed and accept the Bible as God's word. Not cults, for example, which claim to be Christian but reject Christian teaching.
I didn't say otherwise, and I hope you're not calling me egotistical.
Jesus himself is the Life, John 14:6.
That's actually not a half statement. The Sermon on the Mount was not an institution of new commandments - it was getting people to realize the actual standard to which they were held under the law of Moses. They thought it was all about actually not going out and having sex with a woman other than your wife, or with somebody else's wife. Jesus said "nope - if you even think about it, you've already broken the law." They thought it was about killing someone. Jesus said "nope - if you're even angry with someone without cause, you've already broken the law."
Which is why everyone who puts their full trust and confidence on the law is under a curse. Because nobody could keep the whole law.
Nobody is saved by the works of the law. It is only by the blood of the Lamb that we are declared righteous.
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