How should Christians Vote?

[Kersh]

You do realize that you voting for a president and not a priest right?

Does that mean integrity is not essential or important?

 

[super animator]

Does that mean integrity is not essential or important?

You think integrity is exclusive to Christians?

 

[BenTheBeliever]

Unfortunately, in the case of abortion, someone else's body is also involved. But, since it's off topic maybe we should agree to disagree.

Agreed

 

[farout]

The more I keep hearing that, the more I keep not seeing it.

We can cure the Black Death with a pill, we can raise the dead (sometimes), we can instantly talk to people--even see them--who are on the other side of the world, we've walked on the moon, violent crime is at historic lows. That's the kind of calamity I can get behind!

I mean this with sincere respect for you. You need to open your eyes and if you still do not see these things, ask God to open your eyes so you can discern what is actually going on.

 

[SepiaAndDust]

I mean this with sincere respect for you. You need to open your eyes and if you still do not see these things, ask God to open your eyes so you can discern what is actually going on.

Anyone who would "open my eyes" to things that are demonstrably false is no god, but a devil.

But thank you so much for your concern.

 

[Kersh]

You think integrity is exclusive to Christians?

No. And sadly, not all "Christians" have it.

 

[farout]

No. And sadly, not all "Christians" have it.

For me it came as I learned to eat "meat" from the "WORD"

 

[Calminian]

You do realize that you voting for a president and not a priest right?

exactly! that's the whole point. Trump is a very successful businessman with hundreds of success stories. He's never suffered a personal bankruptcy BTW. That's just a myth being spread around. And 4 ventures failed compared to hundreds of successes. These are just myths of the left who don't understand business.

Also I find it interesting that the same Christians saying Trump isn't Christian enough for them are openly promoting abortion rights. Wow!! And they think God will reward them and punish Trump. The church is definitely in a state of confusion these days.

 

[Calminian]

You think integrity is exclusive to Christians?

Amen! That's the whole point. Many Christian won't vote for Trump because he said "Two Corinthians." And they the support guys like Bernie Sanders. It's amazing the things I hear.

 

[grandvizier1006]

The more I keep hearing that, the more I keep not seeing it.

We can cure the Black Death with a pill, we can raise the dead (sometimes), we can instantly talk to people--even see them--who are on the other side of the world, we've walked on the moon, violent crime is at historic lows. That's the kind of calamity I can get behind!

Even if all of that's true it still scares me. I don't want to live in a utopia that has forgotten and abandoned God. How will people come to Christ if sin is "eradicated" without Him? This is what scares me about so many people, esp. Liberals.

 

[ArmenianJohn]

Amen! That's the whole point. Many Christian won't vote for Trump because he said "Two Corinthians." And they the support guys like Bernie Sanders. It's amazing the things I hear.

I don't care that he said "two Corinthians" so much as I care that he says he's a Christian but also says he never asks or asked God for forgiveness (although he's unsure whether drinking "his little wine" and eating "his cracker" is technically asking God for forgiveness).
http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/18/trump-ive-never-asked-god-for-forgiveness-for-anything-video/

It's more the other things he says and stands for that make it clear to me he is probably the least in line with God's Word.

Bernie is the most in line with God's Word. He doesn't pretend to be a Christian and he probably doesn't follow God's Word for religious reasons but for whatever reason his views and policies are the most in line with God's Word.

I'm unsure what you hear that you're so "amazed" by...

 

[SepiaAndDust]

Even if all of that's true it still scares me. I don't want to live in a utopia that has forgotten and abandoned God. How will people come to Christ if sin is "eradicated" without Him? This is what scares me about so many people, esp. Liberals.

I don't think I said anything about sin.

Are you saying that people need to suffer more? That is a truly scary position to hold.

 

[Awakened Sin]

I supported Carson, then he dropped out. After I supported Rubio and he's out. Now I support Cruz.

 

[TravelerFarAwayFromHome]

we should vote by our self interest, by which party is going to give us bigger homes, nicer holidays, the latest designer gear, speedboat and a nice SUV. because it should all about ME ME ME ME ME!

 

[Kersh]

exactly! that's the whole point. Trump is a very successful businessman with hundreds of success stories. He's never suffered a personal bankruptcy BTW. That's just a myth being spread around. And 4 ventures failed compared to hundreds of successes. These are just myths of the left who don't understand business.

Also I find it interesting that the same Christians saying Trump isn't Christian enough for them are openly promoting abortion rights. Wow!! And they think God will reward them and punish Trump. The church is definitely in a state of confusion these days.

My difficulty with Trump is not about his faith. I do not think that he is a brother, but that is beside the point. The real issue is his integrity. Yes, he is a successful businessman, who achieved success through exploitation. He is a proud adulterer. And, as a candidate, he appeals almost exclusively to racism and violence. And, he claims he has nothing to repent of. He seems to be a man of no integrity at all. And, many Americans who call themselves Christians (some of whom probably actually are) want to put him in charge? I am still figuring out what to make of that.

 

[grandvizier1006]

My difficulty with Trump is not about his faith. I do not think that he is a brother, but that is beside the point. The real issue is his integrity. Yes, he is a successful businessman, who achieved success through exploitation. He is a proud adulterer. And, as a candidate, he appeals almost exclusively to racism and violence. And, he claims he had nothing to repent of. He seems to be a man of no integrity at all. And, many Americans who call themselves Christians (some of whom probably actually are) want to put him in charge? I am still figuring out what to make of that.

It's because they've let politics supersede faith. I'd say many liberal Christians are also guilty of this, but with Trump it's clearly a central objective, at least for now.

If you want me to be honest, part of Trump appeals to me. I like the way he doesn't backtrack and apologize like the average politician, nor does he pander to anyone in establishment politics or mainstream media (although he does pander to his constituency). I like the fact that he actually acknowledges the difficulty with the border and terrorism--by contrast, all of the liberals here basically tell anybody who is concerned, "it isn't real! You're being racist!" And not all concern about terrorism has to do with racism. I'm tired of having people assign my beliefs for me based on where I was born and what I am concerned with.

Lots of his supporters don't want him to win so much as they want him to trounce Hilary, who would have won the election had someone like Jeb Bush been given the nomination like he was "supposed" to. He and Sanders prove together that politicians are out of touch, although one could argue they always have been.

But I'm a Christian first, and an American second. We're called to be in the world and not of it. So for me, that means not jumping on the Trump bandwagon and caring more about American politics than I do my faith. With Trump, it's clear that many of the Christians who vote for him might not have the right mindset about their faith.

 

[grandvizier1006]

I don't care that he said "two Corinthians" so much as I care that he says he's a Christian but also says he never asks or asked God for forgiveness (although he's unsure whether drinking "his little wine" and eating "his cracker" is technically asking God for forgiveness).
http://dailycaller.com/2015/07/18/trump-ive-never-asked-god-for-forgiveness-for-anything-video/

It's more the other things he says and stands for that make it clear to me he is probably the least in line with God's Word.

Bernie is the most in line with God's Word. He doesn't pretend to be a Christian and he probably doesn't follow God's Word for religious reasons but for whatever reason his views and policies are the most in line with God's Word.

I'm unsure what you hear that you're so "amazed" by...

But that's just it;neither of them are Christians. Christianity isn't about good behavior, it's about faith, and it's insulting to see liberals ignore that. So, basically, you're a Christian if you're a socialist and support socialism? (And yes, I've heard all of the arguments about why Jesus was a socialist and blah blah blah) Is God really so narrow-minded as to view people the way we do?

If you like Bernie Sanders, fine. But stop calling him a Christian when he has said that he is an agnostic. It is so insulting to Christianity's rich history, traditions, and prominent figures--are Billy Graham, C.S. Lewis, Augustine of Hippo, Mother Teresa, William Wilberforce, Charles Spurgeon, Martin Luther, and a great number of saints "not" Christians just for not having 100% leanings?

 

[TravelerFarAwayFromHome]

It's because they've let politics supersede faith. I'd say many liberal Christians are also guilty of this, but with Trump it's clearly a central objective, at least for now.

If you want me to be honest, part of Trump appeals to me. I like the way he doesn't backtrack and apologize like the average politician, nor does he pander to anyone in establishment politics or mainstream media (although he does pander to his constituency). I like the fact that he actually acknowledges the difficulty with the border and terrorism--by contrast, all of the liberals here basically tell anybody who is concerned, "it isn't real! You're being racist!" And not all concern about terrorism has to do with racism. I'm tired of having people assign my beliefs for me based on where I was born and what I am concerned with.

Lots of his supporters don't want him to win so much as they want him to trounce Hilary, who would have won the election had someone like Jeb Bush been given the nomination like he was "supposed" to. He and Sanders prove together that politicians are out of touch, although one could argue they always have been.

But I'm a Christian first, and an American second. We're called to be in the world and not of it. So for me, that means not jumping on the Trump bandwagon and caring more about American politics than I do my faith. With Trump, it's clear that many of the Christians who vote for him might not have the right mindset about their faith.

I see your point on border control

though I don't agree with you that it should be terrorism

I mean from Mexico? a Catholic country?

if the concern is terrorists would arrive from the South, then what the Northern border with Canada?

btw, I am not trying to say terrorism isn't a issue, especially after what happened in Paris.

but terrorists aren't like ordinary Mexicans, and US does have a very very long border.

that said, I do think illegal immigrants crossing from the Southern border is a concern.

I personally find it interesting how the Democrats side, like you said, try to shut people down by using the word " racist"

while I do think many who discuss this issue probably do have hate against Latinos

I think it is an important issue that Americans should be able to discuss in rational manner

you know, I was watching Ann Couric appeared on Bill Maher's show talked about her book

she was making a salient point that US should be about Americans first, and the reality is US are already struggling with helping it's own citizens? Why should US allow illegal immigrants to continue to come into US and then give them a pathway to citizenship ( please correct me if I got this fact wrong)?

not to mention there are other people who are applying to come into US legally, it is seem really unfair that illegal immigrants get to jump in line, or so it appears ( I am willing to corrected on this one)

some people will say, those illegal immigrants are coming to US looking for a better life

I am sure they are

and yes, Americans should be compassionate, but there is a right way to go about doing it, like maybe created a separate category of migrants for them alone, and US government can decide how many people it can take in every year

but to continue to allow people to break US law?

the world is such a upside down place now that "breaking the law" somehow becomes OK?

btw, in another thread, I see this Canadian guy making fun of some Americans desire to have border secured, and I was thinking " well, it is easy for you say, isn't? since you guys don't share a border with Mexico"

 

[The Cadet]

I mean this with sincere respect for you. You need to open your eyes and if you still do not see these things, ask God to open your eyes so you can discern what is actually going on.

farout, here's the thing. History has always been awful. The world has always always always had wars, famines, floods, earthquakes, genocides, crusades, plagues, and indiscriminate mass murder. There has never been a decade in recorded history where these things didn't happen.

But today, the bad things happen less.

War today is far less common and far less deadly than war 100 years ago, despite the rising efficiency of the weapons.
Medicine today has increased human lifespans immensely, made the death of the mother and the child during childbirth a rarity rather than a commonplace occurrence, and made diseases that used to be a death sentence little more than temporary annoyances.
Food is so overabundant that in many parts of the world, we have more to fear from overeating than from famine.
Early warning systems for things like floods, earthquakes, and volcanoes have made even these disasters easier to predict and allowed us to do more to evacuate the targeted areas. In addition, we've learned to build in such a way to minimize their impact.
There have always been serial murderers, but these days, with advances in forensic science, it's harder than ever to get away with these sorts of crimes.

Can you point me to a single decade in recorded history where life expectancy was higher, where people were happier, where the world was a better or safer place to live in?

The reason things seem worse is because of two factors. The first is that there are simply way more people (because infant mortality is down and life expectancy is up, and because the poor are no longer likely to simply starve to death), so the number dead from events like earthquakes is likely to increase simply as a function of the increased population, and the frequency of events like school shootings go up because there are just that many more people who might do it. The second, and far more influential factor, is the 24-hour news cycle. Look for news of an event and you'll find it. But did you hear about the earthquake in Shansi, China, that killed 830,000 people? Nobody in Europe or the USA did at the time, because that earthquake happened in the 1500s, and news spread very slowly back then. So you probably wouldn't have heard about it. But you may have heard about a cluster of magnitude 2.0 earthquakes in New York recently. Back in the day, we couldn't even detect earthquakes that weak!

Seriously, if you want to say everything is getting worse, don't rely on your own subjective opinion. Actually go out and do the research. The world has literally never been better than it has since the turn of the millenium.

 

[Emmy]

Dear Calminian. In Matthew 22: 35-40: Jesus tells us: " The first and great Commandment is: Love God with all thy heart, with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. The second is like it: love thy neighbour as thyself." In verse 40 we are told: " On these two Commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets." God is Love and God wants loving sons and daughters. Easy to understand and easy to follow. In Matthew 7: 7-10: we read: " ask and you shall receive," we ask for Love and Joy, then thank God and share all love and joy with our neighbour. ( neighbour is all we know and all we meet, friends and not friends) We keep asking for love and joy, then thank God and share all love and joy with our neighbour. God will see our loving efforts, and God will Bless us. The Holy Spirit will help and guide us, and Jesus our Saviour will lead us all the way: JESUS IS THE WAY. We keep loving and caring, being kind and friendly in all we say and do.
The Bible tells us: " ask and you shall receive," ( Matthew 7: 7-10) We ask for love and joy, then thank God and share all love and joy with our neighbour. We keep asking and receiving, then thank God and share all with our neighbour. Love is very catching, and to love and be kind will slowly change us into the men and women which God wants us to be. A Christian`s weapon is loving and caring, always be kind and considerate. Love will change us gradually into the beings which God has always wanted us to be. We might stumble and forget at times, but then we ask God to forgive us, and be the sons and daughters which God our Heavenly Father wants.
I say this with love, Calminian. Greetings from Emmy, your sister in Christ.