How queer

[Eldy]

So why are you so sure god doesn't put a female brain in a male body or vice versa? He causes pleanty of other birth defects. Would it make you feel better if every transsexual in the world didn't transition and instead speant our whole lives sliding deeper and deeper into a depression that nothing can help untill we evenutally take our own lives out of despair?

This world has already slid into the quagmire. There was a time when men were men and they did not have to nip and tuck. People need to turn to God instead of wallowing in their depression. There was a time when people dealt with their problems in the right manner, not by going under the knife.

And to be honest, if someone is so messed up that they are going to kill themselves because they have a penis, they need more help then a surgeon could ever provide.

 

[Chajara]

WOOPTY DOO!

Ditto.

You seem to forget how unbending Christ was in what He came to teach. Maybe you should try reading the Bible instead of the latest politically correct left wing rags.

For pete's sake, why are you so hostile? Don't you see that if you keep this up people are not only going to consider you a jerk, but a non-Christian as well?

Fake edit: I'm not telling you you're not a Christian. But others are probably going to if you act like this off these boards too.

And if I remember correctly, Jesus hung out with the sinners. He even told the people about to stone an adulturer to bugger off because we've all sinned. He didn't judge anyone but the Pharisees, who were supposed to be the righteous ones.

 

[In A Perfect World]

And to be honest, if someone is so messed up that they are going to kill themselves because they have a penis, they need more help then a surgeon could ever provide.

You mean like god's help?

Why would god create people who were unhappy with themselves? Just to screw with their heads?

 

[Eldy]

For pete's sake, why are you so hostile? Don't you see that if you keep this up people are not only going to consider you a jerk, but a non-Christian as well?

Fake edit: I'm not telling you you're not a Christian. But others are probably going to if you act like this off these boards too.

You might want to be careful. You have now questioned my Christianity (your cute fake edit did not improve your situation) and have repeatedly called me a jerk. If I gave a whip and reported it you might get in trouble.

And if I remember correctly, Jesus hung out with the sinners. He even told the people about to stone an adulturer to bugger off because we've all sinned. He didn't judge anyone but the Pharisees, who were supposed to be the righteous ones.

Yep, He sure did but remind me of ONE time when He approved of the sinful life? Come on, just one. Tell me one time when He said go ahead and live in sin. One single time when He did not denounce sinful behavior and call the person to leave it behind and follow Him? None? Oh. I really didn't think so.

 

[Caylin]

This world has already slid into the quagmire. There was a time when men were men and they did not have to nip and tuck. People need to turn to God instead of wallowing in their depression. There was a time when people dealt with their problems in the right manner, not by going under the knife.

And to be honest, if someone is so messed up that they are going to kill themselves because they have a penis, they need more help then a surgeon could ever provide.

So what is the right way to treat a birth defect since you know so much more than the trained pros?

 

[In A Perfect World]

Yep, He sure did but remind me of ONE time when He approved of the sinful life? Come on, just one. Tell me one time when He said go ahead and live in sin. One single time when He did not denounce sinful behavior and call the person to leave it behind and follow Him? None? Oh. I really didn't think so.

Jesus also said, "Let the one with out sin cast the first stone". Not to criticize other people. Only God can jsut the intentions and the hearts of transgendered/sexual people.

 

[Eldy]

So what is the right way to treat a birth defect since you know so much more than the trained pros?

So trannies (staying away from the Shim thing since people are so offended by it ) now have a birth defect? Someone needs to prove that one.

Last I heard it was just people saying they were trapped in the wrong body and the hawkers of the "psychiatry" department saying, "Then go under the knife and be who you want to be."

Sorry, I don't subscribe to psychology either. People need to turn to God, not someone who spent a few years in the books learning from other left wingers who seem to think that anything goes.

 

[Eldy]

Jesus also said, "Let the one with out sin cast the first stone". Not to criticize other people. Only God can jsut the intentions and the hearts of transgendered/sexual people.

So then why are you judging me? Why are you criticizing me? Why are you casting stones at me?

Is it okay as long as you are on the right team?

 

[Caylin]

So trannies (staying away from the Shim thing since people are so offended by it ) now have a birth defect? Someone needs to prove that one.

Last I heard it was just people saying they were trapped in the wrong body and the hawkers of the "psychiatry" department saying, "Then go under the knife and be who you want to be."

Sorry, I don't subscribe to psychology either. People need to turn to God, not someone who spent a few years in the books learning from other left wingers who seem to think that anything goes.

It is attitudes like yours why transsexuals are the minority with the highest chance of being a victim of a hate crime.

 

[Chajara]

You might want to be careful. You have now questioned my Christianity (your cute fake edit did not improve your situation) and have repeatedly called me a jerk. If I gave a whip and reported it you might get in trouble.
Yep, He sure did but remind me of ONE time when He approved of the sinful life? Come on, just one. Tell me one time when He said go ahead and live in sin. One single time when He did not denounce sinful behavior and call the person to leave it behind and follow Him? None? Oh. I really didn't think so.

First off, I am trying to get you to see how much you're damaging the Christian reputation by acting this way. All I want is to see you lose the attitude and become a better Christian. Since you don't seem to want my advice, then fine, I'll hush. But take your threats elsewhere because I was only trying to help you out. You could have at least not been so hostile considering I wasn't ever trying to actually attack you.

Secondly, I never said He did approve of sin. But he didn't go around ticking people off and then saying "I don't care that you're mad, I'm in the right here. God said so." either. He spent a lot more time spreading joy and trying to make people happy, not angry. I wish more Christians would do the same. Seriously, you don't have to anger people to get your point across.

Again, I apologize if I've upset you but I was only trying to help a brother out. Peace then.

 

[Eldy]

It is attitudes like yours why transsexuals are the minority with the highest chance of being a victim of a hate crime.

I don't mean to be crude here but they bring that on by themselves. While I do not condone the physical attacks of anyone, they know very well what running around pretending to be a woman is going to bring in this world.

 

[Eldy]

First off, I am trying to get you to see how much you're damaging the Christian reputation by acting this way.

Your version of it.

All I want is to see you lose the attitude and become a better Christian.

Funny, I could say the exact same thing to you.

Since you don't seem to want my advice, then fine, I'll hush.

Whatever.

But take your threats elsewhere because I was only trying to help you out. You could have at least not been so hostile considering I wasn't ever trying to actually attack you.

Go back and count the times you called me a jerk.

Secondly, I never said He did approve of sin. But he didn't go around ticking people off and then saying "I don't care that you're mad, I'm in the right here. God said so." either. He spent a lot more time spreading joy and trying to make people happy, not angry. I wish more Christians would do the same. Seriously, you don't have to anger people to get your point across.

Again, I apologize if I've upset you but I was only trying to help a brother out. Peace then.

Actually, He ticked many people off. Those who wanted to do things their own way were constantly wanting to destroy Jesus because He threatened their way of life. Those who were sinners came to Him and were changed. They did not try and justify their lifestyles but allowed Him to change them. That is why He never had to get on them but don't be duped. He did not lighten His message so as to not offend.

 

[In A Perfect World]

So then why are you judging me? Why are you criticizing me? Why are you casting stones at me?

Is it okay as long as you are on the right team?

I don't follow Jesus the way you do. I'm not bound to the obligations of Jesus' teachings. You, as a follow of Jesus, should know better than to violate his rule. If your attitude of moral superiority continues to unravel, then you should really be more moral than me, and follow such teachings of your preacher. Atleast, that is how I see it

 

[Chajara]

Your version of it.

Funny, I could say the exact same thing to you.

Whatever.

Go back and count the times you called me a jerk.

Actually, He ticked many people off. Those who wanted to do things their own way were constantly wanting to destroy Jesus because He threatened their way of life. Those who were sinners came to Him and were changed. They did not try and justify their lifestyles but allowed Him to change them. That is why He never had to get on them but don't be duped. He did not lighten His message so as to not offend.

I'm sorry you took my jerk comments that way, but I never intended to directly attack you. I guess I just assume that since I immediately stop and think when I've offended someone that everyone does the same.

But hey, if you're really that convinced that you're right, then I'll concede the point. I'm hoping that all of us Christians let the Holy Spirit guide us rather than acting on emotion. The Holy Spirit is at this point telling me to shut up and stop hijacking the thread because I'm not getting anywhere with this argument anyway. So I'm going to.

Please forgive my approach to arguing with you.

 

[trunks2k]

edit: nevermind

 

[Caylin]

I don't mean to be crude here but they bring that on by themselves. While I do not condone the physical attacks of anyone, they know very well what running around pretending to be a woman is going to bring in this world.

Yes and of course we deserve it for that too.

 

[trunks2k]

*predicts thread closing in 5...4...3...*

 

[Chajara]

*predicts thread closing in 5...4...3...*

And I never got my forgiveness either.

 

[Eldy]

And I never got my forgiveness either.

Nothing to forgive. I don't hold grudges and have no ill will toward you or anyone else.

 

[Chajara]

Nothing to forgive. I don't hold grudges and have no ill will toward you or anyone else.

Oh good, no worries then. I was hoping that I hadn't truly offended you. We're all supposed to be friends here.

Anyway, I'm off to bed because I have classes tomorrow and it's getting late. Maybe I'll pop back into the thread when I get home tomorrow afternoon. Night all.