How old is the world?

[L'Anatra]

Actually fuz you could write it out in about 10 or 15 minutes. No need to take 7 days (actually 6). If he had said I set a plan in motion and the world formed itself that would have been fine. But what he says is that he created the world on six successive days doing specific and particular things on each day. Then he gave us the names of the first people he created, and the age of the Male at the birth of the male heir of the Messianic Seed of the Woman lineage, and so on down through the ancestors of the nation of Israel, the family of Abraham. You add it up and do the math, the earth is 6ooo years old.

None of this means that the Bible is an accurate history.

 

[MSBS]

Bad news. All the dating methods say various ages for the same object. For instance, a lava flow less than 200 years old was dated by the Potassium-Argon method to be 250-300 million years old. Carbon dating would probably say 16,400 years old.

This is akin to saying that distance measuring methods are incorrect because you tried to measure distance from New York to LA with a yard stick and it only came to be three feet.

 

[Floodnut]

well what i don't understand is this. if everything in the bible is 100% true why can't science back it up? why is there so much debate. God doesn't lie, that goes against His will. so why in the world do the events in the bible not line up with science?
just a question

That is a good question. There are many websites that show how the facts of science line up with scripture which you can visit. Everything in the Bible is 100% true.

There is debate because there are many people who are sure that the Bible is not true, that it is bunk, so they busily try to find things that are false in Scripture. Some of these people come here to the Christian Forum to do just that, to attack the Scriptures and those who believe the Word of God is true. God allows much that is evil in the World. We don't have answers for everything, but still the Word of God is the truth. Stay with the things you are sure of, like, "Be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving oneanother, even as God for Christ's sake has forgiven you," and like Exodus 20:11: "In six days God made he heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, . . ."

 

[GodsSamus]

This is akin to saying that distance measuring methods are incorrect because you tried to measure distance from New York to LA with a yard stick and it only came to be three feet.

Actually, Carbon dating said a live snail was 2,300 years old! Also, Earth's magnetic field is decaying, which would affect your Carbon dating because C-14 dating is directly related to how much radiation gets into our atmosphere, which would be deflected by our magnetic field. Btw, some people have proposed (they hope) that our Magnetic field repolarizes. Unfortunately, we can't use the ocean rocks to justify this because they operate on an independant source different from our magnetic field. Also, the electrical field in Earth's core and mantel control the magnetic field. 20,000 years is the upper limit for this charge, because 20,000 years is how long it would take to melt the Earth.

 

[GodsSamus]

That is a good question. There are many websites that show how the facts of science line up with scripture which you can visit. Everything in the Bible is 100% true.

There is debate because there are many people who are sure that the Bible is not true, that it is bunk, so they busily try to find things that are false in Scripture. Some of these people come here to the Christian Forum to do just that, to attack the Scriptures and those who believe the Word of God is true. God allows much that is evil in the World. We don't have answers for everything, but still the Word of God is the truth. Stay with the things you are sure of, like, "Be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted, forgiving oneanother, even as God for Christ's sake has forgiven you," and like Exodus 20:11: "In six days God made he heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, . . ."

Tell him about the archaeological finds that support the Bible.

 

[Floodnut]

* * * * sad. but all to obvious.
dinosaurs died off at least 50 million years ago.
modern homo sapiens date no more than 500,000 years ago.
that is 2 orders of magnitude off to co exist.
no, man did not hunt dinosaurs, that is the imagination of someone disconnected from the real world.......

In spite of all the jive, the Bible clearly states that dinosaurs were created on the same day as Adam and therefore they lived at the same time, beginning about 6000 years ago. Before the discovery of dinosaur fossils back in the 1800's men were already talking about dinos and describing them as creatures with which they were familiar. Only someone disconected from the truth of Scripture and bound up with supposed definitive dating of modern science could miss this plain simple statement of Scripture: all land animals were created on the same day as Adam.

 

[MSBS]

Actually, Carbon dating said a live snail was 2,300 years old!

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD011_3.html

I was already aware of this tired old PRATT. Again, you have to judge the appropriateness of the technique you are using.

 

[Floodnut]

Floodnut was rightly quoted as having said, "I don't deny scientific evidence." to which Bliss replies:

Yes you do, otherwise you wouldn't ignore it every time it's presented for your benefit.

All you have done is proclaim that you're right (not to mention an implied assumption of your own infallibility) by repeating the same things over and over without any evidence and without addressing the evidence that disproves your position. Of course your attitude of immaturity and arrogance does not lead to any reasonable discussion either.

Also you should be aware that your position means that Genesis has been disproved and the Bible has lost all credibility. Really the only position you're supporting with your "arguments" is atheism.

I do deny Evolutionary interpretaions of what is observed in nature. And I am not infallible, but the Bible is infallible. And it is not that hard to understand when you take it in the plain simple sense in which it was intended, declaring that the earth is about 6000 years old. Your arrogant attitude of presuming to pronounce on who is or who is not arrogant is really quite amusing. You want a site that uses supposed science to promote evolution, then run off, shoo shoo to Talk Origins. I am here to promote and declare the Word of God.

And this is exactly the situation, just as you said: the only way you can accept Genesis is if you reinvent it to say something else than what it is saying: THIS IS THE BEGINNING AND IT WAS 6000 years ago. You are aware of that and you are forced to conclude that the Bible is untrue, both in what it says about Creation, as well as what it says about Damnation and Salvation.

 

[L'Anatra]

That is a good question. There are many websites that show how the facts of science line up with scripture which you can visit. Everything in the Bible is 100% true.

You never learn, do you?

 

[GodsSamus]

http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CD/CD011_3.html

I was already aware of this tired old PRATT. Again, you have to judge the appropriateness of the technique you are using.

Lol. That web site is far from accurate. They're still using the "legs" of the whales, even though we've known for a long time that it's for REPRODUCTION. My advice? DON'T USE THAT RELIGIOUS WEB SITE!!!! They use nothing but lies.

It sounds like, as usual, they're just making excuses.

 

[rmwilliamsll]

That is a good question. There are many websites that show how the facts of science line up with scripture which you can visit. Everything in the Bible is 100% true.

list a few so we can read them.

In spite of all the jive, the Bible clearly states that dinosaurs were created on the same day as Adam and therefore they lived at the same time, beginning about 6000 years ago. Before the discovery of dinosaur fossils back in the 1800's men were already talking about dinos and describing them as creatures with which they were familiar. Only someone disconected from the truth of Scripture and bound up with supposed definitive dating of modern science could miss this plain simple statement of Scripture: all land animals were created on the same day as Adam.

i suppose that from your viewpoint to holdfast to your interpretation of Scripture despite it's obvious and painful contradiction by the Creation is noble and heroic.

but it is leading the Church down a rabbithole that like slavery 150 years ago in the US will discredit theology and lead to another abandonment of Christianity, not on the grounds of the Cross but on the grounds of a mistake 6 day 24 hrs creation.

the only foolishness we are to believe is the foolishness of the Cross and Him crucified. To align this extraordinary atonement with Gen 1 and try to hold off the hordes of unbelieving scientists on the topic of YECism is not just foolish but human foolishness, not Godly.

best to you, i appreciate the passion but believe that it is not just badly misdirected but will prove to be fatal to your faith in the long run.


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[L'Anatra]

Lol. That web site is far from accurate. They're still using the "legs" of the whales, even though we've known for a long time that it's for REPRODUCTION. My advice? DON'T USE THAT RELIGIOUS WEB SITE!!!! They use nothing but lies.

Wrong.

 

[Talcos Stormweaver]

Actually, Carbon dating said a live snail was 2,300 years old! Also, Earth's magnetic field is decaying, which would affect your Carbon dating because C-14 dating is directly related to how much radiation gets into our atmosphere, which would be deflected by our magnetic field. Btw, some people have proposed (they hope) that our Magnetic field repolarizes. Unfortunately, we can't use the ocean rocks to justify this because they operate on an independant source different from our magnetic field. Also, the electrical field in Earth's core and mantel control the magnetic field. 20,000 years is the upper limit for this charge, because 20,000 years is how long it would take to melt the Earth.

PRATT indeed! I honestly don't know where to begin, and I am starting to feel I shouldn't even try. So often are creationists simply refusing to learn, that they use the same arguements again and again, even if they have been discredited.

 

[Floodnut]

i don't recall Jesus EVER stating what he believed about the world being made. i think you are putting words in His mouth. basically you are saying that everyone who doesn't believe what YOU believe is wrong. that is extremely arrogant. and instead of saying the earth is 6000 years old PROVE IT. and please DON'T USE ANY PRATTS! that is your challenge. prove that it is that old by NOT using the bible.

Jesus talks about the Creation of Adam and Eve and he calls it the beginning. He refers to the Flood as literal. Also Jesus identifies himself as the I AM who created Adam and Eve. John says that he was the creator as does Paul. He was the creator just as the Bible says, and thank God he is the Redeemer and Savior just as the Bible says.

Theisitic Evolution says that creation began long before Adam and Eve, millions and billions of years prior. That Jesus takes Adam and Eve as literal, and Noah and the Flood as Literal shows his approach to Genesis. You are telling me to prove that what God says is true? God says Jesus rose from the Dead. You want me to prove that too? It was a miracle, not a scientific phenomenon. Of course I am saying that anyone who doesn't believe that Genesis One is literal is wrong. Likewise, Jesus is God. Anyone who disagrees is wrong. 2 and 4 make six, or 16, or 32. This is the truth and anyone who disargrees is wrong. There is a definite knowable right and wrong. What is a PRATT? Challange me all you want. I will continue to declare that the Bible teaches that the earth is 6000 years old.

 

[L'Anatra]

Floodnut was rightly quoted as having said, "I don't deny scientific evidence." to which Bliss replies:

You most certainly do deny scientific evidence. You are truly deluding yourself. Granted, it doesn't matter to me what that means for you, as you're entitled to delude yourself. On the other hand, you have absolutely no right to delude anyone else.

I do deny Evolutionary interpretaions of what is observed in nature. And I am not infallible, but the Bible is infallible.

Do you have any scripture to back that up? Even if the Bible made that claim, your interpretation of it most certainly is very fallible.

And it is not that hard to understand when you take it in the plain simple sense in which it was intended, declaring that the earth is about 6000 years old. Your arrogant attitude of presuming to pronounce on who is or who is not arrogant is really quite amusing.

Maybe. Either way, it is a fact that your arrogance and hubris levels are off the charts.

You want a site that uses supposed science to promote evolution, then run off, shoo shoo to Talk Origins. I am here to promote and declare the Word of God.

The only Word of God is Jesus Christ.

 

[Floodnut]

as i said please prove it.

The Bible says Jesus is the only way of Salvation. You need me to prove that?

 

[Floodnut]

You realize there are people who say the exact same thing about other religions, yes?

Yep Pete, thats true, they say their 33 million gods are real. Paul says their gods are demons. The rest of the world can be tolerant and assume that we all are worshipping the same God, but Jesus won't allow himself in a Pantheon of gods where he is one of many. He says "I am come down from heaven, I am the true bread that gives eternal life, I am the way the truth and the life, NO ONE COMES TO THE FATHER but by me, If you have seen me you have seen the Father, I have power to forgive sins, and so on. Take or leave it.

 

[Floodnut]

Are you aware that most people involved in this thread are Atheists?

Just so you know, Atheists don't believe in the Bible, and don't believe in God. This is a debate forum, so of course non-christians will be here, it's why I am here. Your "point" would make sense if this were a thread about how much we love Jesus. I and most non-chrisitians here are here for debate, and entertainment. It's fun to watch you creationists squirm when the evidence is dumped on you.

Have you ever considered that you may just be senile?

OF COURSE THEY ARE MOSTLY ATHEISTS. I am just making sure that the wisdom seeker is aware of that since the title "CHRISTIAN FORUM" might be a bit misleading. Furthremore, the fact that most are atheists and unbelievers in Scripture does not mean I must follow suit. And so here you are again trying to pontificate as to what this thread is supposed to be about. You are quite frustrated that I am not giving you the debate you want, so Waaaahhhh cry: ) lets have a pity party. I am not here to debate the facts of Scripture, but to state them. If you want the "evidences" go to any of several Creation Science sites mentioned previously.

And it is fun to watch you resort to name calling.

 

[Floodnut]

Ahahahahahaha.

Listen buddy, I'm a veteran user of forums, and a little over 200 posts doesn't make one a "subscriber", on many forums you would still be a guest. Clearly your experience on the internet is lacking in more ways than one.

Also, I find your use of the word "our" a little ironic, since you have nobody on your side in this debate.

This is a "christian forum" with a debate thread populated by hundreds of non-christians. Look around you.

Lastly, Why are you playing "forum cop"? You just got done complaining about others doing it, and now here you are doing the same. What a hypocrite.

Heeee heheheheh this is so funny. The would be forum cop veteran expert doesn't like it when his buddy the NEWBIE ignorant responds in kind. You don't own the forum, I don't own the forum. I am a Christian. This a Christian Forum to which Non-Christians are welcome to come. You are welcome here, nice to have you Officer Free.

 

[L'Anatra]

OF COURSE THEY ARE MOSTLY ATHEISTS. I am just making sure that the wisdom seeker is aware of that since the title "CHRISTIAN FORUM" might be a bit misleading. Furthremore, the fact that most are atheists and unbelievers in Scripture does not mean I must follow suit. And so here you are again trying to pontificate as to what this thread is supposed to be about. You are quite frustrated that I am not giving you the debate you want, so Waaaahhhh cry: ) lets have a pity party. I am not here to debate the facts of Scripture, but to state them. If you want the "evidences" go to any of several Creation Science sites mentioned previously.

And it is fun to watch you resort to name calling.

Your smug attitude does not make you right. Neither does whatever experience you claim to have. You do not have a monopoly on the absolute, so much as you'd like to believe, and you never will. Now isn't that a pity?