How old is the world?

[ChrisS]

Here's a web site. I don't ask you to believe everything on it, but please DO keep an open mind, as ANY good scientist should, Creationist OR Evolutionist.

www.drjeckyl.com/CAM.asp

Btw, if you add the geneologies in the Bible, you get 6,000 years of Earth's history.

It's actually said that there could be gaps in the geneologies, opening up alot of different possibilities.

 

[GodsSamus]

It's actually said that there could be gaps in the geneologies, opening up alot of different possibilities.

Huh? There are gaps in the geneologies? I've never seen them. Anyway, what REALLY matters is that the penalty of sin is death. That's the REALLY important issue.

 

[Valkhorn]

Huh? There are gaps in the geneologies? I've never seen them. Anyway, what REALLY matters is that the penalty of sin is death. That's the REALLY important issue.

Isn't lying a sin, too? What about pride?

Seems to me you are reading 'evidence' from people that are LYING about the real evidence. And, unfortunately, you don't realize how much they are lying and how much false witness they are purporting.

You also don't realize how too much pride has blinded you to the truth. You're so proud of your literal interpretation of the Bible that you refuse to think outside of the box, or even consider the other side of the coin that says you are dead wrong.

So how is it that you think you are going to fare well in the afterlife if that is indeed what you believe?

 

[RoboMastodon]

Huh? If it repolarizes, as you claim, why don't birds ever migrate NORTH for the winter?

Because it only happens every 200,000 years and the actual process of repolarization takes a while, giving birds plenty of time to realize where the "real" north pole is. Remember, their migratory patterns are learned (the same way we visually learn the way to the grocery store) and any changes in the magnetic signature of the planet can be accomodated for by the fact that the changes will be too small within the lifetime of a bird to make a difference.[/quote]

Also, magnets of a like polarity REPEL each other, so why don't animals that eat a lot of iron fly off into space?

Your knowledge of magnetism is lacking. Iron does not have a polarity, it is simply attracted to any magnetic field. The Earth's magnetic field is very weak, about 2.5 × 10^-05 teslas on average. In comparison, a refridgerator magnet has 1/10 of a Tesla. You expect a magnetic field several times weaker than a refridgerator magnet to make birds fly off into space?

As to the magnetic field, this would pull the moon closer because the Moon has iron in it. Therefore, it's magnetic. The magnetic field 3 billion years ago would destroy ALL life forms, and a repolarization would send EVERYTHING into space.

Like I said, magnetic field strength of the magnetosphere is really tiny, and it drops off the farther a way you go by a factor of 1/r^2, where r is the distance. The moon is about 400,000 km away, the magnetic field due to the Earth on the moon is neglibile.

 

[A Freethinker]

Robomastodon WINS. A very, very good point made against a very, very poor attempt at one.

Robomastodon, You're an intelligent person; don't debate with such foolish notions.

 

[GodsSamus]

Isn't lying a sin, too? What about pride?

Seems to me you are reading 'evidence' from people that are LYING about the real evidence. And, unfortunately, you don't realize how much they are lying and how much false witness they are purporting.

You also don't realize how too much pride has blinded you to the truth. You're so proud of your literal interpretation of the Bible that you refuse to think outside of the box, or even consider the other side of the coin that says you are dead wrong.

So how is it that you think you are going to fare well in the afterlife if that is indeed what you believe?

Hahahahahaha. Maybe YOU are the one who's unwilling to consider they may be wrong.

 

[GodsSamus]

Because it only happens every 200,000 years and the actual process of repolarization takes a while, giving birds plenty of time to realize where the "real" north pole is. Remember, their migratory patterns are learned (the same way we visually learn the way to the grocery store) and any changes in the magnetic signature of the planet can be accomodated for by the fact that the changes will be too small within the lifetime of a bird to make a difference.

Your knowledge of magnetism is lacking. Iron does not have a polarity, it is simply attracted to any magnetic field. The Earth's magnetic field is very weak, about 2.5 × 10^-05 teslas on average. In comparison, a refridgerator magnet has 1/10 of a Tesla. You expect a magnetic field several times weaker than a refridgerator magnet to make birds fly off into space?

Like I said, magnetic field strength of the magnetosphere is really tiny, and it drops off the farther a way you go by a factor of 1/r^2, where r is the distance. The moon is about 400,000 km away, the magnetic field due to the Earth on the moon is neglibile.[/QUOTE]

I have a question, though. If it's not repolarizing for 200,000 years, how come we still have it? I mean, it's caused by the hot insides of Earth. However, you fail to understand, too, that magnets LOSE strength over time. 20,000 years ago, the Earth would have been destroyed by the heat of the planet.

 

[Elduran]

GodsSamus: I see that you've carried out your usual tactic here. Plenty of arguments were presented against you last night, so you left this thread for nearly a day, and here you are again without addressing a single one of the points from yesterday. I assume you are still not going to concede that your "moon loss" argument was completely refuted, despite everyone's evidence against it..?

Are you ever going to remove the debunked items from your list, or will you continue to ignore points that don't agree with you?

If you would like to change my opinion of you, please address my points about orbital mechanics and conservation of energy.

 

[Elduran]

Your knowledge of magnetism is lacking. Iron does not have a polarity, it is simply attracted to any magnetic field. The Earth's magnetic field is very weak, about 2.5 × 10^-05 teslas on average. In comparison, a refridgerator magnet has 1/10 of a Tesla. You expect a magnetic field several times weaker than a refridgerator magnet to make birds fly off into space?

Like I said, magnetic field strength of the magnetosphere is really tiny, and it drops off the farther a way you go by a factor of 1/r^2, where r is the distance. The moon is about 400,000 km away, the magnetic field due to the Earth on the moon is neglibile.

I have a question, though. If it's not repolarizing for 200,000 years, how come we still have it? I mean, it's caused by the hot insides of Earth. However, you fail to understand, too, that magnets LOSE strength over time. 20,000 years ago, the Earth would have been destroyed by the heat of the planet.

My guess is that you won't back up that statement either...

 

[revolutio]

Unless the Big Bang occured, why are we here? The atheists don't have a replacement theory based on REAL evidence.

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Do you know what cosmic background radiation is?

 

[RoboMastodon]

I have a question, though. If it's not repolarizing for 200,000 years, how come we still have it?

Well it is repolarizing every 200,000 years, so the question is irrelevant.

I mean, it's caused by the hot insides of Earth. However, you fail to understand, too, that magnets LOSE strength over time. 20,000 years ago, the Earth would have been destroyed by the heat of the planet.

This is mostly a non-sequitur. The magnetic field is caused by convection currents inside the Earth. There is not enough heat inside the earth to destroy the planet, where would this extra heat come from?

Edit - summary of your post: deny that the magnetic field repolarizes every 200,000 years and continue to assert the implications of a linear decay of the Earth's magnetic field.

 

[A Freethinker]

Cosmic Background Radiation is the best argument for the Big Bang. There is no argument for anything else that is as strong.

Samus, You need to admit to yourself that you are wrong. Your "argument" has been DISMANTLED.

Also, the magnetic field is generated by the solid core of Earth and its interaction with convection currents. Clearly, you are making baseless claims based on your own assumptions.

 

[notto]

Also, magnets of a like polarity REPEL each other, so why don't animals that eat a lot of iron fly off into space?

Just wondering if GodsSamus now understands why animals who eat a lot of iron fly don't fly off into space.
GodsSamus, can you let us know what you have learned through this interaction and do you now understand how some of your claims and questions are not really founded in science and why your list contains some rather silly arguments?

 

[A4C]

You seem to forget that evolutionREQUIRES Reproduction. So you have just claimed that becase organisms do exactly what evolution theory needs them to do evolution is false.


Ghost

Evolution only does what science says it should do . So far it hasn't done any of it

 

[RoboMastodon]

Evolution only does what science says it should do . So far it hasn't done any of it

Lies.

 

[pantsman52]

Evolution only does what science says it should do . So far it hasn't done any of it

Organisms reproduce, these reproduced organisms have slight mutations in them, over time these tiny changes each time an organism reproduces makes the organism drastically different from it's long ago predacessors. Seems that it does.

 

[ChrisS]

Creationism is the single most foolish, idiotic, arrogant, baseless and presumptive stance on ANYTHING existing in our modern world. There is NO proof whatsoever for it, no scientific data even hints at it.

What this is coming down to is the Christians' inability to accept defeat.

Truly I believe, it's that many creationists are making firm positions in things that aren't even mentioned in the Bible. Creationists claim evolution is impossible when the one thing that could relate to evolution supports it: snake have legs, snake no have legs. If someone, just someone where able to get in a high position as a creationist, and make a more reasonable representation, their wouldn't even be a debate, as their wouldn't be much left to debate about, besides that 24 billion years vs 6,000 thing.

 

[rmwilliamsll]

Creationism is the single most foolish, idiotic, arrogant, baseless and presumptive stance on ANYTHING existing in our modern world. There is NO proof whatsoever for it, no scientific data even hints at it.

What this is coming down to is the Christians' inability to accept defeat.

this won't help educate them.
all it will do is to confirm their mistaken beliefs that all evolutionists are atheists and are out to shake their faith.

i would rather persuade someone to believe what i think is true and gain a friend for the effort then to blast them out of the ballpark.

it is true that YECism is baseless, foolish, without evidence, and without merit as a scientific theory, but there ought to be a more fruitful way of saying it so that the conversation with them continues. most of them are sincere people, perhaps there is a point of contact there for you. sincerity.

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[Nathan Poe]

Ah, but there's order in every bit of the universe (stars, comets, etc.). This means everything would have to defy this law somehow.

Order in a star? Nuclear fission (or is it fusion? I always get those mixed up) gives off some pretty chaotic by-products.

 

[RoboMastodon]

fusion