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No, my refutation was that ICR used a linear model to model a non-linear problem. That makes it wrong automatically. However, if you like to ignore this fact, and continue to mislead people (wasn't there some sort of commandment?) then you can continue to use it.

In light of evidence that something is wrong, you continue to use it. I guess any tactic is valid as long as it's for God. It's amazing the lengths you'll go to save this point.

Remember, even if I can't show the correct way to model how close the moon was to the Earth, I can show that the method they used was wrong.
 
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*rubs eyes* *shakes head* *rubs eyes again*

Did you just spout the words "rolled back as a scroll" and "scientifically" in the same breath?

According to the 2LoT, a closed system (such as the universe) ALWAYS increases in disorder. So what is to prevent the laws from collapsing and making the stars destroy Earth?
 
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No, but the moon is receeding at a variable rate. For instance, 4.6 billion years ago, it would be UNABLE TO RECEEDE because the magnetic field would be so strong. I'm surprised at the lengths YOU'LL go to get me to stop using science to support my faith.

Actually, we're not using a linear graph. It would receede LESS if it's closer. It would start receeding 1.2 billion years ago to get to it's current state.
 
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You still don't get it? ICR's model, which I quoted, states that their using a linear model. They take the current recession rate and multiply by the supposed age of the Earth to determine how close the moon is. The lies being told aren't by me, it's by ICR and you swallowed it, hook, line and sinker.
 
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GodsSamus said:
According to the 2LoT, a closed system (such as the universe) ALWAYS increases in disorder. So what is to prevent the laws from collapsing and making the stars destroy Earth?
Are you saying a law is going to cause the laws to collapse? Is this the anti-law law? You're not making any sense, GodSamus. I thought thermodynamics dealt with energy transfer. I didn't realize it had any effect on gravity.
 
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Magnetic field = same deal as the moon. A linear model used to model a non-linear process means that it's all fake anyway. In any case, how much do you think the moon is affected by a magnetic field? Just a ballpark figure of how strong you think the force on the moon is due to magnetic forces would be good enough.
 
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Why are you getting your "science" from Kent Hovind?

I have a serious question - have you ever thought about asking an astrophysicist whether what you're saying makes sense?

Or do you think watching a Hovind video series makes you more of an expert than somebody who has spent decades learning about a given field?
 
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Whoops, completely missed the magnetic field thing. LOL!!!111! That's all I can think off. Are you aware that magnetic fields's force also drops off at a rate inversely proportional to the distance? Are you also aware that magnetic field's force is a whole lot weaker than gravitational force, especially at a distance because the cancellation forces?

The only reason why you could possible put that is a red herring to make people stop thinking about gravity and moon recession. Your statement shows complete lack of understanding in physics.

Everyone ignore the red herring, it's already working. Let's focus on moon- gravity and see if GodsSamus has any humility at all.
 
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Okay, let’s try this again. Hey GodsSamus, why don’t you enlighten us and refute the quiet thread on this issue.



 
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The world is 6000 years old. This is both from the Bible and from Science. Evolutionism is a lie and there is no evidence for it. Science has shown, to the dismay of evolutionists, that the world is around six thousand years old. For more information check out Dr. Kent Hovind, an EXPERT in evolutionary biology, at www.drdino.com
 
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Hovind is not an expert in anything, except perhaps in fooling the public. He is certainly no scientist, of any sort.

Science has not shown that the world is around six thousand years old. Do some reasearch, read some actual science (not Hovind's lies) and learn.
 
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as he swaggers up to the bar.
the bar tender asks this handsome stranger
"you're not from around here are you?"

how did you know the stranger exclaimed looking very surprised, i bought all the right clothes, took cowboy talking lessons, and rode in on my rent-a-horse. how did you tell?

because you didn't read any of the old threads to get an idea of what has been discussed here before, and that bright newly minted "i love hovind" button on your jacket.


a scene from the continuing saga of the CF-OK corral creation-evolution shootout. more to follow.
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Magnetic field? That's a new one... How would magnetism exert the same amount of influence comparable to that due to gravity when dealing with planets? And your assumption that the earth's magnetic field has been decreasing over time has been shown to be incorrect. Instead, earth's magnetic field flips from time to time, and each flip is preceeded by more frequent magnetic anomolies and weakening of the magnetic field.
 
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GodsSamus said:
According to the 2LoT, a closed system (such as the universe) ALWAYS increases in disorder. So what is to prevent the laws from collapsing and making the stars destroy Earth?

Except we're not talking about the whole universe, just a small portion of it. Order can increase in one part, and another falls into disorder, thus balancing the scales quite nicely.
 
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He must of fallen of his horse and is suffering a bought of truth visions
 
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A4C said:
Exactly That is why evolution is impossible

You seem to forget that evolutionREQUIRES Reproduction. So you have just claimed that becase organisms do exactly what evolution theory needs them to do evolution is false.


Ghost
 
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Nathan Poe said:
Except we're not talking about the whole universe, just a small portion of it. Order can increase in one part, and another falls into disorder, thus balancing the scales quite nicely.

Ah, but there's order in every bit of the universe (stars, comets, etc.). This means everything would have to defy this law somehow.
 
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Huh? If it repolarizes, as you claim, why don't birds ever migrate NORTH for the winter? Also, magnets of a like polarity REPEL each other, so why don't animals that eat a lot of iron fly off into space? As to the magnetic field, this would pull the moon closer because the Moon has iron in it. Therefore, it's magnetic. The magnetic field 3 billion years ago would destroy ALL life forms, and a repolarization would send EVERYTHING into space.
 
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