How old is the universe...? And, How big is the universe...? Discussion...?

[Neogaia777]

It is as old as God willed it.Its known size is 46 billion light years in length; but is actually larger than that.

Take a balloon and blow it up with smoke ... say to a diameter of 100 miles.

Now, in a split second, expand the walls of that balloon to a preset diameter ... say to 1000 miles.

What happens?

The smoke begins to expand into the newly-created space.

So far, we know the "smoke" is at 46 billion light years across; but we don't know how big the walls of the universe are.

In other words, we don't know how much space is between the smoke and the outer wall.

That’s not a bad description if you think of the smoke as the visible universe

Ok, you seen lava lamps right? The water is trying to sink to the bottom (center), but the oil is on the bottom, but heating the oil up, the oil forms into pockets and bubbles, (dark centers pockets of the universe) that slowly bubble up to the surface (forces that pushes out, or expands) and let some of the water which goes around it as that pocket moves get closer to the center (bottom), (force that gravitates in, or collapses) and the oil reaches the top and dissipates or goes around and collects back down at the bottom again (center)... But the water in the lamp is everything not dark or dark matter, all the normal matter in the universe, strings and clusters of galaxies that have formed around these pockets of oil pushing out or up... Expanding force and collapsing force...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

Ok, you seen lava lamps right? The water is trying to sink to the bottom (center), but the oil is on the bottom, but heating the oil up, the oil forms into pockets and bubbles, (dark centers pockets of the universe) that slowly bubble up to the surface (forces that pushes out, or expands) and let some of the water which goes around it as that pocket moves get closer to the center (bottom), (force that gravitates in, or collapses) and the oil reaches the top and dissipates or goes around and collects back down at the bottom again (center)... But the water in the lamp is everything not dark or dark matter, all the normal matter in the universe, strings and clusters of galaxies that have formed around these pockets of oil pushing out or up... Expanding force and collapsing force...

God Bless!

Only in the universe these pockets are not moving persay, but because of their growing and getting bigger (slowly) (increasingly) and pushing out on everything else, we see expansion that is accelerating... But/and, not necessarily from one single center maybe...

Cause the expansion we see is not from a single force coming from a single center, but many centers growing and pushing out on each other (forces) and everything in between, or the cracks, or us...

 

[Brightmoon]

This is the current understanding of the universe . The universe is expanding but we don’t know what it’s expanding into

 

[Brightmoon]

Not sure what you mean. Lava lamps work on density gradients . The hot “lava “ in the lamp rises when it’s less dense and then sinks as the heat loss changes its density .

 

[Neogaia777]

View attachment 241211 This is the current understanding of the universe . The universe is expanding but we don’t know what it’s expanding into

So the universe is like one big firework, shooting it off and it then exploding, and all the solar systems, galaxies, ect, are all forming, or have formed, and will die out all around or at the same (relative) time...? If so, why is it said that the universe is going to last for trillions of years yet...?

How did they come up with this model in the pic...?

 

[Neogaia777]

Not sure what you mean. Lava lamps work on density gradients . The hot “lava “ in the lamp rises when it’s less dense and then sinks as the heat loss changes its density .

It's not a perfect example...? But, these dark pockets of the universe are driven to grow and "push out" on everything else, as if to almost counteract and possibly balance maybe, I wonder, the force or the tendency of "everything else" to want to then "sink back in", and/or collect together, and/or then collapse back in on it itself at a center...

It is the dark pockets pushing out that is causing the expansion... And it's accelerating... When, according to your model, it should be slowing down...? But in this other model it functions and agrees with the acceleration... (The pockets growing and pushing out)...

God Bless!

 

[Brightmoon]

The Big Bang is still occurring we don’t know what’s causing the acceleration.

 

[Neogaia777]

The Big Bang is still occurring we don’t know what’s causing the acceleration.

I know, that's part of the problem with the theory right now...

God Bless!

 

[Brightmoon]

Well ,” I don’t know “ is still a more honest answer than Goddidit because blaming human ignorance on God is insulting

 

[Neogaia777]

Well ,” I don’t know “ is still a more honest answer than Goddidit because blaming human ignorance on God is insulting

How did they come up with that picture of yours...?

Anyway...

There is new information now that I wonder if it might make some of our current theories and/or "pictures" or whatever, out of date and incomplete and obsolete...

Another problem is we don't see a point of origin for the universe in the pattern of what is supposed to be an explosion, not yet anyway... AND, we never may be able to either... "Especially if it is an explosion"...

Since, everything seems to be moving a equidistant speeds away from us as the center, from our "vantage point". And, the problem is, the same would be true of almost anywhere (any other vantage point) anywhere else in the universe, as well...

And other problems and issues...

God Bless!

 

[AV1611VET]

Well ,” I don’t know “ is still a more honest answer than Goddidit because blaming human ignorance on God is insulting

That's like saying:

"Well I DON'T KNOW how the pyramids were built is still a more honest answer than THE EGYPTIANS DID IT."

One deals with how what was done, and the other deals with who did it.

 

[Neogaia777]

That's like saying:

"Well I DON'T KNOW how the pyramids were built is still a more honest answer than THE EGYPTIANS DID IT."

One deals with how what was done, and the other deals with who did it.

Or that aliens built them, or aliens working with the Egyptians or whatever, with advanced technology able to do so, or whatever, rather than saying they were built by, and on the backs of, millions of Hebrew slaves...

God Bless!

 

[Neogaia777]

I believe some of our current theories and models about the universe, might be akin to to a time when they thought the world was flat... or when they thought the earth was the center of the universe, and the solar system, and that the the Sun revolved around the earth, ect...

God Bless!

 

[A_Thinker]

I believe some of our current theories and models about the universe, might be akin to to a time when they thought the world was flat... or when they thought the earth was the center of the universe, and the solar system, and that the the Sun revolved around the earth, ect...

God Bless!

Science hasn't considered the earth to be flat for over 2,500 years. And Heliocentrism has dominated since the 16th century.

Theories of the universe pretty much keep up with the current observations. For instance, Big Bang became dominant as of observations within the mid-1900's ...

 

[Brightmoon]

How did they come up with that picture of yours...?

Anyway...

There is new information now that I wonder if it might make some of our current theories and/or "pictures" or whatever, out of date and incomplete and obsolete...

Another problem is we don't see a point of origin for the universe in the pattern of what is supposed to be an explosion, not yet anyway... AND, we never may be able to either... "Especially if it is an explosion"...

Since, everything seems to be moving a equidistant speeds away from us as the center, from our "vantage point". And, the problem is, the same would be true of almost anywhere (any other vantage point) anywhere else in the universe, as well...

And other problems and issues...

God Bless!

if you want more information about that picture I’m going to recommend that you read A Brief History of Time. If that’s over your head try A Briefer History of Time , both by Stephen Hawking ( the easier book with a second author )

FYI slaves didn’t build the pyramids . Archeologists actually found “pay stubs” from back then . It was paid labour or volunteers for religious reasons

 

[Justatruthseeker]

It's dead already, they just haven't let it die yet....

 

[Brightmoon]

You have not demonstrated why you accept that electric avenue version of reality ( blast now I can’t get that ear worm out of my head)

 

[Neogaia777]

If it was or is coming from an explosion, we must not be seeing very much of the explosion, otherwise we should be able to tell that it is/was and explosion... And if it was an explosion, and were not seeing very much of it, the universe must be very large indeed, spanning maybe hundreds of trillions of miles or possibly even more, and if it's that large, even if it did come from a single explosion, it would be much older, much, much, much older than just 13.8 billion years I would think...

God Bless!

 

[Brightmoon]

The Big Bang wasn’t an explosion. It’s the expansion of spacetime

 

[Neogaia777]

The Big Bang wasn’t an explosion. It’s the expansion of spacetime

But we think the reason and cause of the expansion is a force from one single center point like an explosion... Or we think that is the kind of force, at least, that is causing it to expand... But that is not true... It is force from lots of dark pockets of the universe pushing out on themselves and everything else, and that is where the force causing the expansion is coming from...

And this is part of the theory of dark matter, that is kind of like an "anti" to normal matter, and comes from the theory, that these pockets are full of dark matter, and it (and we do know this much for certain) it pushes out and expands, and is causing the expansion and I believe the acceleration of the universe, while the other (normal matter), gravitates in on and/or collapses, or tends to try to collect together and collapse in on itself...

God Bless!