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I don’t even see how bacteria can survive long enough to mutate. Things like extreme weather conditions and depleting food source would be a constant barrier.real science is based on the ability to reproduce something and to test it where it can be reproduced in any location on planet Earth.
There is NO real science showing that bacteria turn into eikaryote amoebas given enough time and chance... no not even with over 80,000 generations of direct observation in the case of the long running evolution experiment.
Exactly what part of the Hebrew do we fail to understand about Genesis?No one knows..... But some can know how old it is not.
Young earth creationists are their own worst enemy.
They fail to terribly understand the Hebrew of Genesis in depth which allows those who oppose the Word of God to feel free to declare open season for making up high sounding stuff about the fossil evidence that they have to be subjective and clever with...
Some Christians think that the earth is between 6000 to 15,000 years old (coinciding with the Neolithic Age). Astronomers think that it is 4.5 billion years old. I think these are very good estimates.No one knows..... But some can know how old it is not.
Exactly what part of the Hebrew do we fail to understand about Genesis?
That’s based on the usage of one word in another verse. It’s not uncommon for words to have alternate meanings depending on the way it’s used in a sentence. What you’re saying is that God did not create the world in 6 days, He just altered it. That’s a direct contradiction of the surrounding context. Exodus 20:11 says that God created the heavens and the earth and everything in them which is indicating that He didn’t just alter what was already there in 6 days He created everything in 6 days. That’s probably why the translators chose that translation for that particular verse.Parts.... not one part.
What is commonly accepted as "without form and void" for the state of the planet is misleading and erroneous.
The Hebrew 'tohu wabohu' means the earth was in utter ruin and destruction, having an eerie sense of emptiness around it.
Which is why Jeremiah chose quoting Genesis 1:2 when telling the rebellious Jews of the horrible judgement God was about to bring their way.
That is found in Jeremiah 4:23.
If you read the rest beyond 4:23, you will see that Jeremiah added that the Jews would not be utterly destroyed as Genesis 1:2 in the Hebrew declares. The Jews knew Hebrew and the passage. That was why Jeremiah had to add that they would not be totally wiped out.
27 This is what the Lord says:“The whole land will be ruined,though I will not destroy it completely."
Why did Jeremiah add? "though I will not destroy it completely?"
Because the Hebrew speaking Jews knew what it meant!
And, that is how the earth was described in the Hebrew of Genesis 1:2
'Tohu wa bohu' means utter destruction and ruin. Having an eerie emptiness surrounding it.
A wasteland.... "Not the wimpy 'empty and void.'
We have been lied to by poor translations.
That’s based on the usage of one word in another verse. It’s not uncommon for words to have alternate meanings depending on the way it’s used in a sentence. What you’re saying is that God did not create the world in 6 days, He just altered it. That’s a direct contradiction of the surrounding context. Exodus 20:11 says that God created the heavens and the earth and everything in them which is indicating that He didn’t just alter what was already there in 6 days He created everything in 6 days. That’s probably why the translators chose that translation for that particular verse.
For a basic reading of Psalms 95, it could be understood that way, but the elaboration in Hebrews 4 (at least verse 1-12) clearly implies something different.Entering into God’s rest is referring to resting from our toils and struggles, basically it’s a reference to entering into heaven. I would also point out that the verses that refer to God’s rest at creation refer to His rest in the past tense not the present tense as if He is still resting.
Vs 1 is a summary of all of it.
Vs 2 is intro to the back ground conditions here - just before day 1.
vs 3 is the start of day 1 - and begins with "an God said"...
So this leaves the universe being older than life on earth and it may also lead to the rocks on Earth being older than life on Earth.
They have to be biologically as tall as an adult.
They have to be mentally as capable as an adult because in the text of Gen 3 - they are left alone on this planet and expected to 'Behave themselves" as man and wife. That is a rather mature human, not two infants laying in a pool of water.
If you met them you would not say "you look like you are biologically 2 days old"
Just accepting the text on the face of it.
They are one or two days old when left alone on the planet and expected to behave well as man and wife alone on planet Earth. Trying to stretch the story against the natural reading of the text is not logical. Moses is writing the text for the Hebrews at the foot of Sinai and it is pretty clear as to the intent he is giving his readers.
Not true. They had language, they had the ability to relate as husband and wife, they could worship God etc.
You are forcing your views into the text that is written to be accepted as it is and not bent to some unworkable oddity.
Not true. Not only are the capable but you seem them in argument with Satan himself in Gen 3.
bending the text to the oddity of your scenario does not fit the text. Too much eisegesis in your suggestions.
More than enough time ... 130 years.
models are just that... models and faulty assumptions used for the baseline is the old "garbage-in, garbage-out" problem so well defined and proven in real life,
too many assumptions in "working backwards".
IT is like saying I see you driving west -- if I work that backwards you started your trip in China.
Bacteria can be found in ice, including in various icy environments such as glaciers, ice cores, and polar regions. Bacteria have been discovered in ice samples taken from deep within glaciers, frozen lakes, and even ancient ice cores extracted from polar ice caps.I don’t even see how bacteria can survive long enough to mutate.
and that they are married in Gen 2 and that they are left alone as adults in Gen 3 and that they debate Satan himself while left alone.The text on the face of it does not specify their height or age. All it says is male and female
Indeed they would appear as two adult humans. Not because "God was lying" about how old they were but because practically and functionally one would need two mature adults , having a full vocabulary, great communication skills and able to live alone on Planet Earth.And I never suggested they would look two days old, or two infants laying in a pool of water.
God is a few steps up... from "some native americans"(Not sure how water got into the discussion anyway.) Some Native American tribes had their children leave the tribe at the age of 13
And we have direct observation of over 80,000 generations of them in a lab experiment so as to "notice" that macro evolutionism is mere myth and not science fact. Humanity itself supposedly "evolved" in far fewer generations than that (- and bacteria have a far great adaptive construct than do humans).Bacteria can be found in ice, including in various icy environments such as glaciers, ice cores, and polar regions. Bacteria have been discovered in ice samples taken from deep within glaciers, frozen lakes, and even ancient ice cores extracted from polar ice caps.
My wife did fine as long as she could put him in a playpen.Both of my kids started arguing with me around age 3.
Genetic studies on Jews are part of the population genetics discipline and are used to analyze the chronology of Jewish migration accompanied by research in other fields, such as history, linguistics, archaeology, and paleontology. These studies investigate the origins of various Jewish ethnic divisions. In particular, they examine whether there is a common genetic heritage among them. The medical genetics of Jews are studied for population-specific diseases. WikiIndeed they would appear as two adult humans.
and that they are married in Gen 2 and that they are left alone as adults in Gen 3 and that they debate Satan himself while left alone.
So then the point remain as noted in the details of my prior post
Indeed they would appear as two adult humans. Not because "God was lying" about how old they were but because practically and functionally one would need two mature adults , having a full vocabulary, great communication skills and able to live alone on Planet Earth.
God is a few steps up... from "some native americans"
also it would be "very evil" to take two immature teens or 4 year olds, leave them alone on planet Earth then doom all of humanity to the Rev 20 lake of fire because those two children "made a mistake while left alone".
It was Hebrews 4 and Matthew 11:28-29 I was referring to.For a basic reading of Psalms 95, it could be understood that way, but the elaboration in Hebrews 4 (at least verse 1-12) clearly implies something different.
Hebrews is specifically commenting on Psalms 95 and quotes it in Hebrews 3:11. Matthew does not directly quote and could therefore be using rest in any context. Matthew says he will give them rest, whereas Hebrews and Psalms speak of entering into "my [God's] rest". Therefore the context and meaning is different.It was Hebrews 4 and Matthew 11:28-29 I was referring to.
““Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.”
Matthew 11:28-29 NASB1995
Those who come to Christ will find rest for their souls, hence they will enter into His rest. Those who do not come to Christ will not find rest for their souls, hence eternal torment, they do not enter into His rest.
Hebrews is specifically commenting on Psalms 95 and quotes it in Hebrews 3:11. Matthew does not directly quote and could therefore be using rest in any context. Matthew says he will give them rest, whereas Hebrews and Psalms speak of entering into "my [God's] rest". Therefore the context and meaning is different.
Hebrews 4:4 - "...On the seventh day, God rested from all his works."
4:5 - "...They [Israel -specific generation] will never enter my rest."
4:6 - "Therefore since it still remains for some to enter that rest..."
4:7 - "God again set a certain day, calling it Today..."
4:9,10 - "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God's rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his."
4:11 - "Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter into that rest..."
It is clear to me that these are all specifically referring to God's day of rest, and the one exception (4:8 regarding Joshua) is worded differently. There is says "given them rest", whereas the others all say enter "my" or "that" rest, meaning a specific resting period, which by context in 4:4 means God's day of rest.
Some people say Male and female is a Scientific fact. Man and women the gender a person identifies themselves.But in general every reference to man and woman could be simply gender and species references.
I don’t see how any of this relates to God still resting as if we’re still on the seventh day. None of these verses have anything to do with that. Every verse pertaining to God’s rest on the seventh day is written in the past tense.
God rested, not one single verse pertaining to God’s rest is written in the present tense implying that God is still resting.
Forgive me for saying so but this seems like a lot of scriptural acrobatics in order to cater certain verses to coincide with a preconceived agenda.
That agenda being trying to mix the scriptures with science. The Bible is a spiritual book full of numerous miracles and supernatural events. It’s not supposed to be explainable by science otherwise they wouldn’t be miracles at all.
When people try to explain these events by offering scientific explanations it diminishes God’s might and glory. It reduces Him to being nothing more than an intelligent being and unworthy of the title GOD.
Some people say Male and female is a Scientific fact. Man and women the gender a person identifies themselves.
1 in 500 is born with an extra male or female gene that further complicates the issue. If people have mixed up and confused chromosomes they have no choice but to deal with that as best they can and they need our support.
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