How old is the Earth?

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

Revelation doesn't teach a flat earth.
No Scripture anywhere teaches a flat earth, for the very word, "World" means "globe.

there are a few places in Revelation that show flat earthism, when the Jewish Messiah (not Jesus in the original version) appears in the sky, everyone on earth can see him; not possible in a spherical earth, which shows the beliefs of the writer. The gospel of Matthew is also flat earthist.. when Jesus is taken up to a very high mountain by the devil, he is shown ALL the kingdoms of the earth, again not possible for a spherical earth.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

I have never heard of this extremely eccentric conspiracy theory. How can anyone believe that the sun orbits the earth?

You are surely jesting?
The entire Word of God teaches that the heavens orbit the earth, and in the heavens, the sun, moon, and stars have their pre-ordained paths -and keep them, circling the earth in their orbits except for the star that never sets [the North Star]..

The orbit of the heavens around the world/globe, is right there in Genesis, on day 1, when God said "let there be light", and there was light; and God divided the light from the darkness and the light He called day, and the darkness He called night, and the evening and the morning are,together, "echad yowm"-one Day.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

there are a few places in Revelation that show flat earthism, when the Jewish Messiah (not Jesus in the original version) appears in the sky, everyone on earth can see him; not possible in a spherical earth, which shows the beliefs of the writer. The gospel of Matthew is also flat earthist.. when Jesus is taken up to a very high mountain by the devil, he is shown ALL the kingdoms of the earth, again not possible for a spherical earth.

He indeed comes from the east -like lightning; and every eye indeed sees Him, Like Lightning, circling the earth as He descends upon Mount Sinai, where the angels gather the Jews to, from all over the earth, to stand before Him as their Messiah/King/Firstborn Son of God/ the Mighty God/ The God of the whole earth -to be passed under His Rod and judged as to their worthyness to enter into the promised Land or to be rejects and cast alive into the Lake of Fire [Ezekiel 20:33-44].

The high mountain is not on earth below, which the devil took Jesus up to, and is explained in Enoch the prophet's writings as a seat of power of the principalities and powers over the earth; and those mountains are the "mountains that shall melt like wax", at the coming of the LORD Jesus Christ, to reign over His ransomed kingdom.
As to seeing all the kingdoms of the earth, you left out the rest; "in a moment/a stick, of time".
So Jesus has a supernatural taking up to a supernatural mountain in the supernatural realm of heaven over earth, and sees supernaturally, the supernatural realm of the kingdoms of the world.
It doesn't pass the test of making a flat earth, which is already declared to be a globe, in the Torah and writings and prophets -and by all history of all the world.
The king of Tyre in Isaiah traded grain grown by the Nile River to the western continents, and to all the nations of the whole world, by sea.
At the time of that prophecy in Isaiah, the nations in the western continents were thriving. The Olmec civilization of what is called Mexico, today, was in the height of their glory when Nebuchadnezzar ruled over them, as the king of the kings of the whole earth, ruling from Babylon.

God brought them down [Psalm 9], and the evidences of their great civilizations and the trading and exchanges of men and goods from all the globe still exist.
The tombs of Egypt have traces of cocaine from South America, in mummys.
Corn and pineapples are found depicted on ancient Egyptian relief work in tombs, which got to Egypt from the trading with the western continents through the merchantmen of Tyre, who were the great sea-faring Phoenicians.

 

[Fascinated With God]

there are a few places in Revelation that show flat earthism, when the Jewish Messiah (not Jesus in the original version) appears in the sky, everyone on earth can see him; not possible in a spherical earth, which shows the beliefs of the writer. The gospel of Matthew is also flat earthist.. when Jesus is taken up to a very high mountain by the devil, he is shown ALL the kingdoms of the earth, again not possible for a spherical earth.

You are a materialist who can't even conceive of the Bible describing spiritual visionary perceptions.

 

[Fascinated With God]

but people will call you a madman if you mention it.

It does sound like a belief that only small child would cling to.

I remember as a 5 year old insisting that the sun was inside the sky. No one could convince me otherwise. That is what your belief reminds me of.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

you can order the book from the Catholic apologetics society; I have a copy.

I tried, years ago, to get a printed copy, but it was not offered -out of print.

I looked at this site, and the links are dead...do you have another? Have they reprinted it? Galileo Was Wrong
I would like a printed copy very much.

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

I tried, years ago, to get a printed copy, but it was not offered -out of print.

I looked at this site, and the links are dead...do you have another? Have they reprinted it? Galileo Was Wrong
I would like a printed copy very much.

I saw it for sale recently, on amazon UK perhaps but i'm not sure. I think they have reprinted it, as the cover was different. It's a small publishing house; probably still available with the catholic apologetics society. i'll have a look for it later, and post the link here if find it.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

It does sound like a belief that only small child would cling to.

I remember as a 5 year old insisting that the sun was inside the sky. No one could convince me otherwise. That is what your belief reminds me of.

1 Bible -The sun is a "hand made" Menorah, set in the heavens to refract the light which it governs.
2 Bible -God set His created, heavenly temple/dwelling place/tabernacle in the sun, from which He looks down on men on earth who are like "Grasshoppers" on the earth, from there.
3 Bible -The sun is in the "circle -the orbit of heaven" of the earth, and God sits in it.

Enoch- Enoch went into the temple in heaven, and said the temple is built of cut diamonds [tessellated crystals], and pillars of fire.
Revelation -the diamond/crystal "sea" and pillars of fire were also seen by John.
There is evidence that some planets have oceans of liquid diamonds -not so hard for God to have some angels "mine the diamonds and prepare the walls of His Menorrah" for His dwelling place, as the "light Governor" on day four of creation week.

It's all supernatural, from the beginning to now.

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

Galileo Was Wrong: The Church Was Right: Robert A. Sungenis, Robert J. Bennett: 9780977964000: Amazon.com: Books

it's on the american amazon.

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

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[yeshuasavedme]

You are a materialist who can't even conceive of the Bible describing spiritual visionary perceptions.

I did not write that.
I answered it.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

Galileo Was Wrong: The Church Was Right: Robert A. Sungenis, Robert J. Bennett: 9780977964000: Amazon.com: Books

it's on the american amazon.

I just bought it.
Thank you so much!
I thought it would come back in print someday, but had not been looking for a long time.
I also had another order in the cart there, just waiting for something else to buy so I could get the free shipping offer, so I got them both, and saved shipping.
Have a nice day!!!!

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

It does sound like a belief that only small child would cling to.

I remember as a 5 year old insisting that the sun was inside the sky. No one could convince me otherwise. That is what your belief reminds me of.

it's not really my belief, i just have an open mind about it. the theory is written about by R. Sungenis and he has a PhD in Physics. i got interested in the subject when i saw something on the internet about eliptical orbits, and how that could not be, how can a rock scribe an elipse in space? dosn't make any sense to me, but maybe i'm dumb or something.

 

[Fascinated With God]

I did not write that.
I answered it.

I know you didn't write it. It was a hold over from goldfish's post that I failed to remove. I knew I was speaking to goldfish.

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

Enoch- Enoch went into the temple in heaven, and said the temple is built of cut diamonds [tessellated crystals], and pillars of fire.
Revelation -the diamond/crystal "sea" and pillars of fire were also seen by John.
There is evidence that some planets have oceans of liquid diamonds -not so hard for God to have some angels "mine the diamonds and prepare the walls of His Menorrah" for His dwelling place, as the "light Governor" on day four of creation week.

i don't accept Enoch, Revelation or Daniel as being canonical scripture, but that's just me, i don't expect anyone to agree with me.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

it's not really my belief, i just have an open mind about it. the theory is written about by R. Sungenis and he has a PhD in Physics. i got interested in the subject when i saw something on the internet about eliptical orbits, and how that could not be, how can a rock scribe an elipse in space? dosn't make any sense to me, but maybe i'm thick or something.

I got interested when my eyes were opened to what the Word does say, all through, and went looking for who was telling the truth in the world about that, and found Sungenis.
He still needs to see more, like the fact that the universe is electric -but "here a little, there a little", and "we know in part", and each has a part, until we all come to the understanding in heaven, without the limitations of this fallen nature.

 

[hiscosmicgoldfish]

I got interested when my eyes were opened to what the Word does say, all through, and went looking for who was telling the truth in the world about that, and found Sungenis.
He still needs to see more, like the fact that the universe is electric -but "here a little, there a little", and "we know in part", and each has a part, until we all come to the understanding in heaven, without the limitations of this fallen nature.

I had a look at that site about the electric universe but i don't understand what it is about. what does it mean? I don't agree with Sungenis about religion, as i'm not a catholic. But what i have noticed is that people look at the Galileo/Copernicus thing and see that as a victory of science over the church and the bible, and then follow that along with theories about evolution and so forth. They quote Luther, who was a geocentrist, as most were back in those days. There is a bit in Job which seems to be talking about the axial pole of the universe, where he says about 'drawing out a line'.
I had a vision many years ago, where i saw the universe in relation to a translucent pole, and a helix going around and down the pole. I didn't understand it at the time.

 

[Fascinated With God]

The only thing even remotely associated with geocentricity is the evidence coming from deep space galaxy surveys which show that our galaxy is right smack in the middle of the largest void in the universe, ten times larger than the second largest void. Some astronomers speculate that this could be an indication that we are sitting where the Big Bang occurred.

So it is not really the earth that is at the center of the universe, it is our galaxy that is at the center of the universe.

 

[Mikecpking]

The only thing even remotely associated with geocentricity is the evidence coming from deep space galaxy surveys which show that our galaxy is right smack in the middle of the largest void in the universe, ten times larger than the second largest void. Some astronomers speculate that this could be an indication that we are sitting where the Big Bang occurred.

So it is not really the earth that is at the center of the universe, it is our galaxy that is at the center of the universe.

The center of the universe is everywhere, because on any observers point of view anywhere would observer distant galaxies moving away in all directions.

 

[yeshuasavedme]

I had a look at that site about the electric universe but i don't understand what it is about. what does it mean? I don't agree with Sungenis about religion, as i'm not a catholic. But what i have noticed is that people look at the Galileo/Copernicus thing and see that as a victory of science over the church and the bible, and then follow that along with theories about evolution and so forth. They quote Luther, who was a geocentrist, as most were back in those days. There is a bit in Job which seems to be talking about the axial pole of the universe, where he says about 'drawing out a line'.
I had a vision many years ago, where i saw the universe in relation to a translucent pole, and a helix going around and down the pole. I didn't understand it at the time.

I am not a Roman Catholic either, but Sungenis is right,on the geocentric universe, and I am glad for his book.

I read Enoch a few years ago and my eyes were opened, from just the things Enoch says, that, with what Genesis says, I realized that the universe is electric and the forces of creation are electro-magnetic forces holding everything together and causing everything to operate as God commanded it to do, in the beginning.
In Enoch, the winds that are the pillars of heaven and earth are forces, and the winds that carried Enoch into heaven, are forces.
All forces are angels, all stars are angels, and all stars are forces of creation that control the operation of the seasons on earth.
All spirits are "forces", with names, and answer to the Creator -like lightning answers to Him as a force under His command; and the winds; and the waters; and every created spirit and every created thing whether it is a breathing soul or a spirit or any other thing; all answer to Him.
We live in a supernatural creation which was supernaturally created and is supernaturally upheld and will be supernaturally changed in regeneration of it in the New Beginning.