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How old is the Earth?

LiturgyInDMinor

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My point, brother, is that some highly intelligent people really do believe dinosaurs co-existed with humans. It's not out of the question.


My comment before had nothing to do with humans and dinos living together....I'm talking about the (non-human) fossil records, with reliable dating. I'm talking Old Earth vs. New Earth. I don't for one minute believe what this guy is talking about. I also do not claim to be a scientist, but I do know a few paleontologists/archaeologists. My uncle's buds...and welp....they'd basically say this is laughable, NOT due to the biblical inferences, BUT due to the inference of humans and dinos living at the same time on the earth. Did this guy think that perhaps the figurines and other images depicting dino's are actually based on real bones dug up when the ancient people's built their buildings/temples/ etc.??? They did a LOT OF DIGGING too ya know back then. Just a thought. Don't think intelligence is just reserved for 21st century man eh. ;)
I'll give this guy credit that he did honestly give his opinion, and stated that is was pure speculation to begin with eh.
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As he stated it's like a court case, but I'm afraid this one is not guilty!(or guilty depending on how you look at it.)
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MY own opinion has always been that the bible isn't meant for stuff like this and it's silly to speculate on the age of the earth...it's not important actually.
 
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I do believe dinosaurs walked with man and that they are even mentioned in Job. I enjoy collecting fossils and believe none are more then a few thousand years old. I was an atheist for the first 23 years of my life and went to a public high school and was taught and believed evolution in chemistry and especially biology. It was not until after being a Christian for a couple of years did I hear good evidence against evolution and for an earth that is only thousands of years old.

This subject has nothing to do with evolution.
It's good to hear you don't believe in evolution!!! It's tripe.
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Steering back toward the OP, perhaps a relevant question at this point might be: How does one make a case for "millions of years" based on nothing but the text of Scripture? After all, sola scriptura demands that all our doctrines, including the doctrine of creation, be based exclusively on the text of Scripture.
 
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Gap Theory.:thumbsup:



A simple, straightforward reading of the biblical record indicates that the Cosmos was created in six days only a few thousand years ago. Opposed to that view is the idea of evolutionists that the Universe is 15-20 billion years old, and that the Earth is 4.6 billion years old. Further complicating matters is the fact that the biblical record indicates living things were placed on the newly created Earth even before the end of the six-day creative process (e.g., plant life came on day three). The evolutionary scenario, however, postulates that primitive life evolved from nonliving chemicals roughly 3.5-4.0 billion years ago, and that all other life forms developed during the so-called geologic ages, with man arriving on the scene in one form or another 1-2 million years ago.
Even to a casual observer, it is apparent that this is no small problem. Much of the controversy today centers on the age of the Earth. The magnitude of the controversy is multiplied by two factors. First, theistic evolution and progressive creation are impossible if the Earth is young. Thus, if the proponents of these views wish to retain their belief systems, it is imperative that they find a way to place the time for an ancient Earth in the biblical record. Second, there is no middle ground that will permit the old-Earth/young-Earth scenarios to coexist; the gulf separating the biblical and evolutionary views on the topic of the age of the Earth is just too large. As Henry Morris has observed:
Thus the Biblical chronology is about a million times shorter than the evolutionary chronology. A million-fold mistake is no small matter, and Biblical scholars surely need to give primary attention to resolving this tremendous discrepancy right at the very foundation of our entire Biblical cosmology. This is not a peripheral issue that can be dismissed with some exegetical twist, but is central to the very integrity of scriptural theology (1984, p. 115).
If the Earth is ancient, where in the Bible can the time be inserted to ensure that antiquity? The time needed to guarantee an old Earth might be placed: (a) before the creation week; (b) during the creation week; or (c) after the creation week.
The attempt to insert geological time into the biblical text during the creation week is known as the Day-Age Theory—a concept that has fallen on hard times in recent years because it is completely without lexical or exegetical support from the biblical record (see Thompson, 1982, 1994). As a result, it has been rejected by numerous old-Earth creationists, theistic evolutionists, and progressive creationists.
Rarely do those desiring to insert geologic time into the biblical record attempt to place the time after the creation week, for two reasons. First, placing time after the creation has occurred does not help the case of the theistic evolutionist or progressive creationist. Time “after the fact” is a moot issue. Second, the biblical genealogies (e.g., Genesis 5, Genesis 11, Luke 3, etc.) have the text so well protected that it is manifestly impossible to insert the billions of years of time needed to allow for an ancient Earth (see Thompson, 1989). Thus, the Bible believer intent on accommodating his theology to the uniformitarian dogma of an ancient Earth must find another way to force vast time spans into Genesis 1. The only option remaining is to insert the time before the creation week—a concept known as the Gap Theory.

It says what I want to say......SOURCE
 
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This subject has nothing to do with evolution.
It's good to hear you don't believe in evolution!!! It's tripe.
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Beliefs in billions of years became popular when the idea of evolution became popular. So I guess we'll have to disagree on that. The problem I have with denying evolution but still holding fast to billions of years would be that it goes against what the Bible teaches. There is scientific evidence for a young earth but that is secondary in my opinion.

1. The days in Genesis 1 couldn't have been written more clearly to show 6 - 24 hour days. You have numbered days and you have evening and morning specified. Sure the word YOM can mean longer time periods but in context here it is not a long period of time. You have to bring in fallible ideas from outside the Bible to get the idea that the days were something else.

2. To be consistent if you believe in billions of years you have to believe in only a local flood, not a worldwide flood. The Bible is clear that the flood was indeed global. It covered the mountains. Genesis 7:20

3. If you believe in billions of years you have to also believe that there was cancer and death of animals well before the sin of man. You have to spiritualize the death God talked about in Genesis 2. At best you have to limit the death to only humans. This is contrary to Romans 8:22 where it talks about how the whole creation groans because of sin. Imagine the animals dying all around Adam while God states that this is very good. If animals are in Heaven with us will it be as it was before sin? Cancer all around us in the animals we share the same space with?

So when it all boils down to it do we go with the Bible or with common opinion? If we go with opinion where does it stop? Do we now accept homosexuality? How about denying the resurrection? Didn't science prove Jesus couldn't have raised from the dead? I hope you get my point. Today I listened to a man on local Christian radio spend an hour trying to say why it doesn't matter what you believe when it comes to creation as long as you believe God did it. At a point in my life I would have agreed with him. I was tempted to call in but I have gotten burned before on the radio. You get shut down if you try having any kind of dialog. You get one say and then that is about it. I'm sure some are thinking I'm making to much of a deal about this but I hope this post gives a good perspective of where I am coming from.
 
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Beliefs in billions of years became popular when the idea of evolution became popular. So I guess we'll have to disagree on that. The problem I have with denying evolution but still holding fast to billions of years would be that it goes against what the Bible teaches. There is scientific evidence for a young earth but that is secondary in my opinion.

1. The days in Genesis 1 couldn't have been written more clearly to show 6 - 24 hour days. You have numbered days and you have evening and morning specified. Sure the word YOM can mean longer time periods but in context here it is not a long period of time. You have to bring in fallible ideas from outside the Bible to get the idea that the days were something else.

2. To be consistent if you believe in billions of years you have to believe in only a local flood, not a worldwide flood. The Bible is clear that the flood was indeed global. It covered the mountains. Genesis 7:20

3. If you believe in billions of years you have to also believe that there was cancer and death of animals well before the sin of man. You have to spiritualize the death God talked about in Genesis 2. At best you have to limit the death to only humans. This is contrary to Romans 8:22 where it talks about how the whole creation groans because of sin. Imagine the animals dying all around Adam while God states that this is very good. If animals are in Heaven with us will it be as it was before sin? Cancer all around us in the animals we share the same space with?

So when it all boils down to it do we go with the Bible or with common opinion? If we go with opinion where does it stop? Do we now accept homosexuality? How about denying the resurrection? Didn't science prove Jesus couldn't have raised from the dead? I hope you get my point. Today I listened to a man on local Christian radio spend an hour trying to say why it doesn't matter what you believe when it comes to creation as long as you believe God did it. At a point in my life I would have agreed with him. I was tempted to call in but I have gotten burned before on the radio. You get shut down if you try having any kind of dialog. You get one say and then that is about it. I'm sure some are thinking I'm making to much of a deal about this but I hope this post gives a good perspective of where I am coming from.

Who's talking BILLIONS of years?
Also, what does this have to do with my simple comment?
Evolution of the human species for which there is NO biblical support and the age of the Earth(for which there are varying degrees of pure biblical support) have NOTHING to do with one another on a basic level.

Today I listened to a man on local Christian radio spend an hour trying to say why it doesn't matter what you believe when it comes to creation as long as you believe God did it.

This is exactly what I believe overall besides trival intellectual banter(I like that sort of banter btw ;))
It's NOT the point of Genesis period. I respect your perspective though.:)
 
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I believe it is as old as God deems neccissary and will last just as long as required. but is it proper to ask its age? i know as people age the get grouchy about thay question.....
Greetings brother, and welcome to CF.

While I strongly agree that one must be careful never to talk back to God [Ro. 9:20], I don't think one can make the case that it is wrong to seek a biblical answer for a genuinely inquisitive question.
 
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I see no reason not to believe it is 6000 years old. The first human writing was about 5400 years ago, not far from where Eden probably was before the flood.

It is staggering the amount of scientific and "scholarly" conclusions that are based on assumptions and wild assertions. It takes more faith for me to believe the pieced together ideas of the last century than it does just to simply believe God is sovereign and his words accomplish their purpose.
 
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The C-14 within an organism is continually decaying into stable carbon isotopes, but since the organism is absorbing more C-14 during its life, the ratio of C-14 to C-12 remains about the same as the ratio in the atmosphere. When the organism dies, the ratio of C-14 within its carcass begins to gradually decrease. The rate of decrease is 1/2 the quantity at death every 5,730 years. That is the half-life of C-14. The animation provides an example of how this logarithmic decay occurs. Click on the "Show Movie" button below to view this animation.


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I don't know if I'm adding to a Young Earth thing or not at this point. lol

Thanks. ;)
 
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I don't know if I'm adding to a Young Earth thing or not at this point. lol

Thanks. ;)

That is the true benefit of radiocarbon dating, that it can be employed anywhere in the world, and does have a 50,000 year range

Since the earth is only 6000 years old this system is a miracle worker :sorry:
 
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God never told us how old the earth is dude, and it's not any point worth worrying about IMHO.
The bible shows a Gap in theory, and Young Earth in theory, perhaps an Old earth in theory, although I don't see it in the classical sense.
The NKJV MacArthur Study bible in it's notes on the first verses of Genesis actually suggest that the earth was already there, but devestated in its entirety when God remade it into what it is....seriously. Not sure if I buy that either.
Reread the study notes on it. I'm talking about the newest version of the NKJV MacArthur study bible too. The one on sale at Lifeway 4 months ago! ;)
 
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God never told us how old the earth is dude.

Well, He did give us adequate information to determine when Adam was created as there are full geneologies up to the time of Christ provided in scripture.

So, if we count back a few days before the creation of Adam, there we have it, the age of the earth. Give or take a few hours. :)
 
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There is no period of time specifically stated between Genesis 1 and 2. IT also doesn't matter.
Science conflicting with Scripture doesn't matter...we all know what out weighs what in the long run.
The point of Genesis is NOT the age of the earth, and I can't believe I'm still talking about this. I love ya DD! :)
It just isn't important for any bit of our faith in God!
6 days is 6 days...that's a given...what happened immediately before or after them, which the bible does not state isn't important and is all speculation by many scientists and scholars and us.
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There is no period of time specifically stated between Genesis 1 and 2.

Actually Genesis 1 ends on the sixth day and Genesis 2 starts on the 7th day and God rested. Adam was created on the sixth. The earth is therefore 6000ish years old and a few days.
 
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Actually Genesis 1 ends on the sixth day and Genesis 2 starts on the 7th day and God rested. Adam was created on the sixth. The earth is therefore 6000ish years old and a few days.

That is beside the point and pure speculation, Genesis 1:1 and Genesis 1:2 whatever....otherwise all the guys promoting the Gap theory are just idiots, and I don't think they are idiots...re read my last post...I edited while you were apparently responding.
 
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Well, He did give us adequate information to determine when Adam was created as there are full geneologies up to the time of Christ provided in scripture.

So, if we count back a few days before the creation of Adam, there we have it, the age of the earth. Give or take a few hours. :)

No chance that Adam wasn't literal history huh?

'Spose the parables were all real events too?
 
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