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How NOT to help the poor

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faerieevaH

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You have just mentioned a major problem with the Belgian system, the lack of legal rights.

Huh? I guess I needed to be more clear. Of course you can try and sue for everything, but there just is not the mentality to try and get a six million dollar settlement because a dry cleaner with a 'satisfaction guaranteed' plaque may or may not have misplaced your pants.

What I meant is not that you do not have the option to sue, but that no one will award you a ridiculous amount of money unless some real error was made. Therefor, the doctors do not need to pay insane amounts of malpractice insurance.

For the few people who keep ignoring what I say: government sponsored health care does not have to be horribly inefficient. I am not saying it can not be that, there are countries enough that prove that point. I am saying it can also be wonderful. Now of course you can still object to it on other grounds, because you simply do not believe it should be a task of the government, but since I have experienced a place where it does work, I find it slightly annoying that people seem to think it just can not work.
 
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But don't you see? That's membership dues, not charity. Charity is voluntary giving.

So I guess a "concrete" method of ensuring that folks be more charitable would be better catechesis to include rote learning of the seven Corporal Acts of Mercy, the seven Spiritual Acts of Mercy and the eight Beatitudes, actual Church teaching on the Principle of Subsidiary (among other things).

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I think Acorn is all the reasons we need as to why charging dues would never work.
 
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But if they could tax it they would. Remember, taxes are good, charity is bad.



Yes you can. It's now Government Motors.

I'm not buying a car from the government, thank you very much.

at what point do any of y'all think the government has cased being a government?
 
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Both being Japanese cars where the profits go back to Japan and toward Japanese pensions.

That is so simplistic a view...half the parts/ assembly of "American" cars are done oversees, and vice versa. All those people employed by Toyota up the road from me and getting pensions, are they somehow not American?

It's not my fault that most American based car companies make an inferior product, and do it more inefficiently.

Most Fords sold in the US are assembled in Mexico. Most Toyotas sold in the US are assembled in the US. Both are made up of parts assembled and made from all over the world. Which is the more American car?
 
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I don't think that rote learning and catechisis work very well even in the areas in which they are being used.

There is a big difference between learning lists and incorporating them into one's life. These lists have to reach people below the surface of their memories and touch their hearts.

And if we want to have charity that makes the need for government assistance superfluous, the corporal works of mercy aren't enough.

We need Acts of the Apostles Chapter 5.

1 A man named Ananias, however, with his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property. 2 He retained for himself, with his wife's knowledge, some of the purchase price, took the remainder, and put it at the feet of the apostles. 3 But Peter said, "Ananias, why has Satan filled your heart so that you lied to the holy Spirit and retained part of the price of the land? 4 While it remained unsold, did it not remain yours? And when it was sold, was it not still under your control? Why did you contrive this deed? You have lied not to human beings, but to God." 5 When Ananias heard these words, he fell down and breathed his last, and great fear came upon all who heard of it. 6 The young men came and wrapped him up, then carried him out and buried him. 7 After an interval of about three hours, his wife came in, unaware of what had happened. 8 Peter said to her, "Tell me, did you sell the land for this amount?" She answered, "Yes, for that amount." 9 Then Peter said to her, "Why did you agree to test the Spirit of the Lord? Listen, the footsteps of those who have buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out."

The early Christians lived in a utopian society in which everything was owned in common.
 
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GM went under becuase they paid out ridiculous wages and benefits to UNION emplyees.

I will not buy GM ever again.

You realize that we are about to see a major spike in union employees. Unions began having problems in the 80s when the economy was so good that the younger generation couldn't see why they needed them. This continued in the 90s. People are now wanting unions again and as soon as card check passes unionization will be back to 70s levels.
 
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